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Oooo logic let me try
Going by no logic, wearing no pants will affect the tierlist
Do i win a cookie?
Going by no logic, wearing no pants will affect the tierlist
Do i win a cookie?
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No, eat your vegetables first.Oooo logic let me try
Going by no logic, wearing no pants will affect the tierlist
Do i win a cookie?
M2K got hit by that fair more than once between his and Ally's Apex and Genesis matchups. I think it is plasuible to beleive that top players are able to land the move at the top of the metagame as opposed to Warlock Punch or something to that extent.Great players make mistakes.
Ha, that move is soooooo slow. Probably the slowest spike.M2K messing up does not suddenly make Snake's fair not slow. >_>
Lucas' aerials are ALL better than Snake's Fair. They might not kill well but set up for kills pretty well (dair>dtilt lock>Fsmash)M2K got hit by that fair more than once between his and Ally's Apex and Genesis matchups. I think it is plasuible to beleive that top players are able to land the move at the top of the metagame as opposed to Warlock Punch or something to that extent.
Regardless of how you look at Snake's fair, I think we can agree that it is still a stronger and more practical kill move than all of Lucas's aerials though.
@Matador... I think you mean his beard is as long as Dumbledore's from the first two movies.
You're so clever it gets me hot@Matador... I think you mean his beard is as long as Dumbledore's from the first two movies.
Awesome, I've been in the mood for some dark chocolateYou're so clever it gets me hot
Great players make mistakes.M2K got hit by that fair more than once between his and Ally's Apex and Genesis matchups. I think it is plasuible to beleive that top players are able to land the move at the top of the metagame as opposed to Warlock Punch or something to that extent.
Whut.And finally Ness is very capable of recovering high; his second jump goes very high on its own, and PKT2 can be used to shoot yourself straight upwards, after which you have full control over your free-fall (only Ness and Lucas have this). Only moves with really low knockback angles (D3's dtilt) can ever force you to aim for the ledge, and only if you fail to DI up. I really wish some of my recent Ness matches were recorded ><.
Clearly, you cannot read.And the quote in the blue. Can't most characters do that...?
Does he? It always seemed slower to me.Wario has the same maneuverability after his as well... but his up b sucks :D
Of course.Say what you want about recovering high with Ness, but like I said what happens in practice is far more important; and in practice numerous high-top level players have failed to gimp me.
Wolf maintains his speed during free fall but he needs a boost. If you do it off a side B and cancel it, you'll go the same speed as one usually does in the air.Does he? It always seemed slower to me.
Then again I only use that POS move on the rare occasion I'm getting gimped and have no other choice.
I could've sworn yoshi's the same speed once he goes into freefall, you just NEVER see it since aerial egg roll is dumb
Lucas has 2 Meteors + Uair wich can kill early.
Dair sets up to jab lock, so it is a potencial killing move if landed, and a spike.
His only weak aerial is Fair, but thats more of a spacing tool than a killing one.
I've been convinced for a while (thanks Ally -_-) that Falcon should actually be a little higher than he is even now. When all is said and done I believe Jiggs will eventually be the bottom of bottom character (though maybe she'll stay above Ganon).oh yes, people forgot to celebrate the fact that captain falcon is now only the third worst in the game instead of absolute worst in the game. I'll buy the beer!!!!
Neither of them get gimped often, if ever.Personally, I play DeDeDe better than Wario, but Wario's recovery is probably what puts him above D^3. I never expected that the big fat guys would be so high in the tier list. Woo!
Wario has more balanced matchups overall, he has no real bad matchup. Dedede's matchups against those he can't chain grab are bad overall. But both have the best heavyweight recovery.Personally, I play DeDeDe better than Wario, but Wario's recovery is probably what puts him above D^3. I never expected that the big fat guys would be so high in the tier list. Woo!
Wrong.Dedede's matchups against those he can't chain grab are bad overall.
You can't do that if it's someone with a crap vertical recovery. (Talking from experience )Ness has the second best spike in the game. 5% += death. You can meteor cancel lucas' spikes and still live.
What matchups does Captain Falcon have that are better than even? Jigglypuff > Captain Falcon any day of the week.I've been convinced for a while (thanks Ally -_-) that Falcon should actually be a little higher than he is even now. When all is said and done I believe Jiggs will eventually be the bottom of bottom character (though maybe she'll stay above Ganon).
Recovery isn't really that big a deal. It's only characters with absolutely crap recoveries that suffer from it much (e.g. Link).Personally, I play DeDeDe better than Wario, but Wario's recovery is probably what puts him above D^3. I never expected that the big fat guys would be so high in the tier list. Woo!
People need to understand that Dedede is a good character even WIHTOUT that chaingrab. Sure, the chaingrab usually deals 25%, but a pummel + bthrow deals 19%.Wario has more balanced matchups overall, he has no real bad matchup. Dedede's matchups against those he can't chain grab are bad overall. But both have the best heavyweight recovery.
Which equals into not being able to recover.it's other characters which can easily stop him recovering.
I've seen it too. Good meteor cancelling/good recovery means you'll live longer against Dairs like that.Theres a video on the net somewhere of a Sonic surviving ness' dair offstage at about 120%, thanks to the spring
No, nair is in no way a reliable kill move for ness.I'm actually relieved by the pointless beard debate going on. It takes away from the eyesore Ness vs Lucas debate. We have people who don't have a ****ing clue about Ness (seriously, 2 different people said Ness only has 2 kill moves, then they both mentioned different moves, and both failed to mention Ness' most reliable kill move - nair), arguing with people who don't have a **** clue about Lucas (myself included).
beards for isai tier
1. Good luck getting someone downwards offstage at 5%.Ness has the second best spike in the game. 5% += death. You can meteor cancel lucas' spikes and still live.
Ness' uair kills way earlier.
Ness' dair does aswell and ness can dtilt lock you after a jab lock for another 20% then into a tipper bat.
Ness' fair is a better spacer.
Fthrow.1. Good luck getting someone downwards offstage at 5%.
Might I ask why?3. Ness' dair is not a good jab lock setup.
PK fire is crap. Don't joke like that.4. Lucas has PKF which spaces a lot better than ness' fair.
I can think of other spikes that are better, though not as strong.Ness has the secondbestmost powerful spike in the game.
It's percent dependant, the vast majority of the time, it's theI can think of other spikes that are better, though not as strong.
EDIT: NO MOAR NESS TALK, gets me all antsy and ****