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The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v2.0

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baldurseeyou

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I like Wario for two reasons...

1) wicked aireils ( I know I'm a horrible speller)
2) looks awesome

I care less about CF on the bottom but he's awesome... in a way.
 

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fine, i wasn't going to word it like this, but you're making me. No one that matters cares about how their character's tier placement changes. Alternatively, No one who can think cares about how their character's tier placement changes.
if noone should care then why make one? -serious question
 

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no one should feel upset/ happy that their character changed locations/stayed the same was the original context of that statement.
 

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if noone should care then why make one? -serious question
I think SCOTU means care enough to affect their decision of character, and defend against the metagame with stupid arguments that seem more about player skill, tourney appearance, etc. It doesn't mean people don't want to know the statistics, it means that it shouldn't get your stomach all tied in a knot and whining.
 

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I think SCOTU means care enough to affect their decision of character, and defend against the metagame with stupid arguments that seem more about player skill, tourney appearance, etc. It doesn't mean people don't want to know the statistics, it means that it shouldn't get your stomach all tied in a knot and whining.
thanks for clearing that up:)
 

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I mean something along the lines of if you main the character X, and X drops 3 spots in the tier list, what does this change for you maining X? Conversely if you main X and X rises 3 spots in the tier list, what does this change for you maining X? The answer to both of these questions is "Nothing". No one's going to stop maining X because their tier placement changed a bit (they might try out a character that moved above theirs though), but in neither case should the mainer of X feel any feelings of upsetness or joy.
 
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Yoshi loses to MK, stop saying yoshi goes even.

Its a reasonably sized advantage.

Tiers exist, but complaining doesnt work, i guess just do your best to place in tournaments and let the results speak for themselves.
 

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Atleast Ganon isn't lowest :S
I've never played against a good ganondorf; why would he be better than CF, really? He seems kind of, well, sucky. At least most of CF's moveset doesn't give you enough time to make a sandwich, and Ganondorf's fast options seem limited to a couple of moves, which seems dangerous.
 

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^^^ lol ^^^

Make a sandwich.

Edit: Hmmm... reminds me of something: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO-QVJBLpnw

Edit, the Sequel: By the way, my guess is that his dair, something about his tipper uair, and Flame Choke tech chasing are all parts of him being higher than CF. And his power... deadly, despite his speed. Don't get mindgamed.
 

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Yoshi loses to MK, stop saying yoshi goes even.

Its a reasonably sized advantage.

Tiers exist, but complaining doesnt work, i guess just do your best to place in tournaments and let the results speak for themselves.

MK has an advantage, but isn't that big. 55:45 or 60:40. Either way, Yoshi does better than most other characters.
 

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Yoshi expertise has not yet reached a point where we can safely say that he is a metaknight counter, however I think it's hard to deny that Yoshi has the potential to have an advantage against metaknight as Yoshi players increase in skill. Yoshi is unlimited in terms of skill ceiling due to his great aerials, odd floating speed and quick and powerful attacks. The rules of Smash are generally different for Yoshi, making him hard to pick up and play as well as hard to master.
 

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Yoshi expertise has not yet reached a point where we can safely say that he is a metaknight counter, however I think it's hard to deny that Yoshi has the potential to have an advantage against metaknight as Yoshi players increase in skill. Yoshi is unlimited in terms of skill ceiling due to his great aerials, odd floating speed and quick and powerful attacks. The rules of Smash are generally different for Yoshi, making him hard to pick up and play as well as hard to master.
That brought a tear to my eye. :)
 

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Wow, I can't believe Falco is so high up. All he has that I can think of is bair spam, that cancel thing, chain throw, laser, and a very hard to land spike. I guess he deserves being right below Snake =\
 

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Wow, I can't believe Falco is so high up. All he has that I can think of is bair spam, that cancel thing, chain throw, laser, and a very hard to land spike. I guess he deserves being right below Snake =\
Chain throw into dair spike.
A good and easily spammable projectile.
Good dacus.
Loads of options from D-throw besides grab.
Not too hard to land kill moves.
Bread.
 

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Edit, the Sequel: By the way, my guess is that his dair, something about his tipper uair, and Flame Choke tech chasing are all parts of him being higher than CF. And his power... deadly, despite his speed. Don't get mindgamed.
But how does that put him above CF, especially given that he is much slower?

Yoshi expertise has not yet reached a point where we can safely say that he is a metaknight counter, however I think it's hard to deny that Yoshi has the potential to have an advantage against metaknight as Yoshi players increase in skill. Yoshi is unlimited in terms of skill ceiling due to his great aerials, odd floating speed and quick and powerful attacks. The rules of Smash are generally different for Yoshi, making him hard to pick up and play as well as hard to master.
Its not unlimited potential, but it is very high potential. Running Yoshi correctly has great potential, but the question is really "Is that potential going to be higher than what other characters have?" I don't think any character's potential has been fully explored in SSBB, or even nearly so.
 

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Yoshi expertise has not yet reached a point where we can safely say that he is a metaknight counter, however I think it's hard to deny that Yoshi has the potential to have an advantage against metaknight as Yoshi players increase in skill. Yoshi is unlimited in terms of skill ceiling due to his great aerials, odd floating speed and quick and powerful attacks. The rules of Smash are generally different for Yoshi, making him hard to pick up and play as well as hard to master.

Quoted for truth, wise one.
 

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Still wondering why Wario is so high. I know he has a good recovery and an air grab but what else? As I recall, Wario has what..3 kill moves? Waft, uair and fsmash?
Why would you need lots of kill moves if the three you have are safe and easy to land.
Wario has:
Incredible aerial game
Amazing recovery
He's unpredictable
Weaving air attacks is easy and effective
He's just awesome...wah wah wario!

I don't know wario too well but w/e
 

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With that insane Aerial control, he can jump and sheildstab someone, than float back before opponent can retaliate all in a single jump. Heck, he can bounce all over the place making it hard to hit him.
 

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With that insane Aerial control, he can jump and sheildstab someone, than float back before opponent can retaliate all in a single jump. Heck, he can bounce all over the place making it hard to hit him.
Unless they retaliate with a dash attack, dashing U smash or running grab depending on the character.. Also, that's assuming the person would use the shield instead of just hitting Wario since all of Wario's attacks are short range and easily beaten.


Why would you need lots of kill moves if the three you have are safe and easy to land.
Wario has:
Incredible aerial game
Amazing recovery
He's unpredictable
Weaving air attacks is easy and effective
He's just awesome...wah wah wario!

I don't know wario too well but w/e
Well no, they aren't very safe. Doesn't the waft put you into freefall? Also, his F smash leaves him open should it miss, and his U air is very predictable. It's hard to be unpredictable with only so few kill moves.

Wario's aerials are not amazing. His U air and D air are good, his F air isn't the best aerial around, his N air is average, and his B air can be strong but leaves him open. His aerials are not that good, but his aerial game is good because he is so agile.

But I do like Wario, though, don't get me wrong. I just don't see how he is so high on the tier list.
 

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I've never played against a good ganondorf; why would he be better than CF, really? He seems kind of, well, sucky. At least most of CF's moveset doesn't give you enough time to make a sandwich, and Ganondorf's fast options seem limited to a couple of moves, which seems dangerous.
At least Ganon's moveset has some semblance of priority and range. Ganon actually has a bunch of autocancelled aerials that make him have decent speed, Gerudo is always going to keep him above CF anyways.
 

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Well no, they aren't very safe. Doesn't the waft put you into freefall?
...Not quite. You must be thinking of his Up-B. His Waft just sends him very high... if you even want to count that as a bad side to it.
 
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