The Official Ohio Brawl Power Rankings (11/25/12: NEW RANKINGS UPDATED!)

[sneakytako]

My apologies, I meant KY.

How's texas? Are there roadhouses and roundhouses?

 

[Overswarm]

I should hear back if I get that house soon...

If I do, smash party and board games

 

[MegaRobMan]

I'm just gonna make an "overswarm power rankings" where everyone has to impress me

you'll all get last place

doubt it

 

[Kel]

That is awesome^

Also, I don't think people realize how much Northern Kentucky really is just Cincinnati overflow. It's kind of how MD/VA/DC considers itself the same area. Cincinnati also has a 'tri-state area' including Northern Kentucky, Indiana, and South-Western Ohio.

 

[Roller]

Actually, maybe you guys should just combine with KY. You all go to each others tourneys and play with each other. Or live in the same house.

Plus your list wouldn't look as free with Judo and Mr. Eric on it. And lord knows KY doesn't actually have enough solid players to justify their own PR.

 

[Ori_bro]

Even as a MI player, I actually really support that idea. I believe it would be a great move for both of your scenes.

 

[Overswarm]

doubt it

I said impress me.


Where did you get your hat. That would impress me. Finding me another one of these hats:

 

[Ori_bro]

Is that mutton?

 

[KassandraNova]

Ahahaha. OS and the turkey leg. I remember that. xD

 

[Roller]

No, that's Overswarm.

 

[Ori_bro]

:L

 

[Overswarm]

Seriously, whoever finds me that hat would be rewarded. I can't find one anywhere.

 

[Juushichi]

Not even on top of your head?

 

[Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.]

I agree with a OH KY Pr.

I mean they had a INKY PR before. I suck at geography but isnt Ohio closer and more relevant.

 

[Judo777]

I agree with a OH KY Pr.

I mean they had a INKY PR before. I suck at geography but isnt Ohio closer and more relevant.

Agreed, you do suck at geography...... lol. Both states are actually adjacent to KY, and seperated by the same river, so they are (within reason) the same distance apart.

 

[DtJ Composer]

Kentucky is always sleeping around with other states

 

[Kel]

I disagree with OH joining with another state. I was against it joinging with MI a year ago as well.

 

[Roller]

As though we would be associated with the worst state in the union.

 

[Overswarm]

Honestly, the entire point of power rankings is skewed for all the states around here.

Imagine this group:

Mew2King
Kel
MegaMarthFan082

and this group:

Mew2King
Ally
Brood

The 2nd group could have had any order over a multitude of times.

The first group has a pretty clear cut order over basically all time.

The times when someone actually rises to fit into a "group" that they didn't previously exist to is, overall, rare.

Within said group though, it is very easy to shuffle places. Kel and I have traveled the same tournaments together for a long time, and at certain points you could have said one of us was way ahead of the other, only to see it switch around or the gap to close within a month. That's what happens when you have a relatively small skill gap.


So instead of ordering players, why don't people just say

Star Group - Should normally be empty. These should be tournament winners, frequently place in the top 5 at large regionals or top 8 to 16 at nationals. These are uber players like M2K, Ally, etc. This is not something that a state's "good players" would get into.

Group A - tournament winners, consistently place in the top 8 at worst but generally on the high end at smaller regionals.

Group B - local tournament winners, place within the top 16/32 in regional tournaments on average

Group C - occasionally makes money in tournament, places within the top 32 consistently. Is generally considered "someone who makes it out of pools".

Group D - Everyone else in the state that plays in tournament. Doesn't always make it out of pools and/or isn't frequent enough to rank. All inactives would go here as well.



Ta da, I solved your ranking problem. You have the "star group" for the occasion when you get a knockout player that just makes the rest of your state look like trash in comparison, and then you have group A for when you've got your big fish in a medium sized pond, group B for your medium sized fish in a smaller pond, group C for your up and coming players capable of making it to bracket, and group D for the people that you don't have any info on, are just starting out, or haven't gotten to the "he'll make it out of pools" part yet.

I'm a genius.

 

[Roller]

Unless someone can't win locals, but gets top 16/32 at regionals...

That man would bring down the entire system.


Then where would you be?

 

[clowsui]

I like OS' idea. More flexible than TX's ELO system and is still fairly accurate

 

[Roller]

I like OS' idea. I can be on the PR sooner.

I see you, Chi. I see you.














And I like what I see.

 

[Overswarm]

Unless someone can't win locals, but gets top 16/32 at regionals...

That man would bring down the entire system.


Then where would you be?

I'd probably not be a robot and use my brain and say "Hey, this guy is good enough to place highly at regionals but isn't winning money at locals. Why is that? Oh, I see, people that place above him at locals are also placing highly at regionals, so the locals are stacked talent".

Or I'd just stick him the lower category.

Either or.


The real benefit of this system is that if other states do it, there's no "OH/KY/MI power rankings". It's just "here's our Group A players".

Crew battles could instead be "Group A 3v3" and "Group B 3v3" instead of your star player + one good guy + 2 people who happened to be there.

it's a whole new world

 

[MegaRobMan]

Seriously, whoever finds me that hat would be rewarded. I can't find one anywhere.

I already asked you if you wanted the one my friend has NEVER worn before and you didn't get back to me

Also I would be group B.

Unless someone can't win locals, but gets top 16/32 at regionals...

That man would bring down the entire system.


Then where would you be?

I mean, I apply to this (normally get 9th or 13th, even). I outplace Tyser OOS, but he plays so he wins locals because I play . Matchup charts matter for some dumb reason :/

 

[Overswarm]

You told me it was some sports hat. o_O

And yes I want it. If you can show me a picture I'm willing to pay for it, either from you or him.

 

[clowsui]

I see you, Chi. I see you.














And I like what I see.

how did I miss this lmao

I'd still be a D rank player so it doesn't matter

 

[sneakytako]

So, I decree that this should be updated.

What we first need is a target date.

I propose we start collecting data for a July update to the PR, probably after phonex series.

I think we also need at least one more voice in the PR panelist.

We should start moving on this so this doesn't get pushed off indefinately.

 

[Overswarm]

Or you could just do the Overswarm idea because the power rankings have been a joke for some time

 

[Jiffyboob]

Who are the PR panelists right now?

OS idea is cool too

 

[KassandraNova]

I'm for sure either group B or C depending on the day. Though most of the time I'm in group S, the salt group.
Edit jiffy knows of the salt group, so does sorasin, hahaha xD

 

[Overswarm]

Kassandra, you're pretty cleanly in group D. I don't think you've won money from singles at any of the events in recent history, and have made it out of pools but haven't had many extraordinary placements. You don't really fit in the "sometimes wins money" category, but that's okay. The majority of people would fall into group D, like 80% of our players at least. With my current performances I'd probably be in group C, being a bit out of reach from group B. At the height of my win streak in 2008 I would have been in group A, but for the majority of my time after the rest of the MW caught up I'd have been in group B. As you go up the list, the gap gets wider, so going from D to C is a "that's cool", but relatively minor. Going from C to B makes you a local threat. Going from B to A makes you one of the heroes of your area. Going from A to S means you're a natoinal level player that travels. Gaps just get bigger.

It's not a bad thing to be in a lower group, but it also isn't really an opinion thing. That's the whole point of groups. You just look at the results, clean cut, and put them in that group. I've made it out of pools in every tournament I've been to in recent history, have made money from singles in only two tournaments (both S2D tournaments, getting 2nd and 3rd), and had a very poor performance at Kiest's tournament and an average middle-of-the-pack one at vengeance. Anyone looking at that could say "OS might get to group B soon", but given that my results have been at the low end of group B at best and it being a very small sample size I don't think I'd be able to put myself in group B. Simply pointing at my successes and not pointing at the consistency of my successes would be evidence that I don't belong in the higher group.

It's not a ranking system in that "Oh, OS is in group C so that means player Y is in group B". Group B could be empty. I honestly can't think of any local players around here that would go into group B. I'm close, Tako's close, if Kel repeats his perfomance at Kiest's in the future he'd get in there, if Judo went to more tournaments we might see something from him, but ultimately we'd be all group D and group C. We're not a very impressive group at the moment, and inflating doesn't really do anyone any good.

 

[Jiffyboob]

I'm for sure either group B or C depending on the day. Though most of the time I'm in group S, the salt group.
Edit jiffy knows of the salt group, so does sorasin, hahaha xD

Oh yeah, I know lol
Salt group got the best seat in the house though

 

[Infern Angelis]

I've won regionals, I be Group A. Yes I should still be in the Ohio rankings yo!

 

[KassandraNova]

I've won money before, I've won money in dubs a couple times an I've gotten top 5 at one of AZs tournies once, and won money, but that was all with mk. *shrug*
Thanks though....:/
I guess I am pretty bad. Oh well.

 

[Overswarm]

If we're counting stuff from years ago I'd be in group A. I'm not even close to that skill level right now.

Doubles doesn't really count either, except for maybe its own skill ranking. Kel and I always win money or are like one or two games away from winning money at worst. We're good at teams; that doesn't necessarily mean that it'll reflect in our singles performance. Since MK was banned teams takes more effort and isn't just a "whoever is better with MK" fest so the divide is a bit bigger between skillsets now.

You can be down on yourself for "being bad", but that doesn't really help anyone. Just be accurate.

 

[KassandraNova]

I was never trying to say doubles was legit. Lol I was just saying I have won money from singles and doubles before. That's all I was saying. I don't really care. I'm pretty sure I'll always be underrated but I'm fine with that.
I learned to stop caring about what people think. I know my abilities.

 

[Dooms]

Kassandra, you're pretty cleanly in group D. I don't think you've won money from singles at any of the events in recent history, and have made it out of pools but haven't had many extraordinary placements. You don't really fit in the "sometimes wins money" category, but that's okay. The majority of people would fall into group D, like 80% of our players at least. With my current performances I'd probably be in group C, being a bit out of reach from group B. At the height of my win streak in 2008 I would have been in group A, but for the majority of my time after the rest of the MW caught up I'd have been in group B. As you go up the list, the gap gets wider, so going from D to C is a "that's cool", but relatively minor. Going from C to B makes you a local threat. Going from B to A makes you one of the heroes of your area. Going from A to S means you're a natoinal level player that travels. Gaps just get bigger.

It's not a bad thing to be in a lower group, but it also isn't really an opinion thing. That's the whole point of groups. You just look at the results, clean cut, and put them in that group. I've made it out of pools in every tournament I've been to in recent history, have made money from singles in only two tournaments (both S2D tournaments, getting 2nd and 3rd), and had a very poor performance at Kiest's tournament and an average middle-of-the-pack one at vengeance. Anyone looking at that could say "OS might get to group B soon", but given that my results have been at the low end of group B at best and it being a very small sample size I don't think I'd be able to put myself in group B. Simply pointing at my successes and not pointing at the consistency of my successes would be evidence that I don't belong in the higher group.

It's not a ranking system in that "Oh, OS is in group C so that means player Y is in group B". Group B could be empty. I honestly can't think of any local players around here that would go into group B. I'm close, Tako's close, if Kel repeats his perfomance at Kiest's in the future he'd get in there, if Judo went to more tournaments we might see something from him, but ultimately we'd be all group D and group C. We're not a very impressive group at the moment, and inflating doesn't really do anyone any good.

If we're just going to have everyone in group D/C, then it's pretty pointless imo.

Either wait for more results so we can have more people spread out (Judo in A/B, Tako in A/B, Fizzle in A/B, etc.), or stick to a PR. I thought the main point of the PR was to show who the talent within an area. If we're sticking everyone in one/two groups (especially when they don't actually belong there), then whats the point of even having a list in the first place?

\KILLER/

I was never trying to say doubles was legit. Lol I was just saying I have won money from singles and doubles before. That's all I was saying. I don't really care. I'm pretty sure I'll always be underrated but I'm fine with that.
I learned to stop caring about what people think. I know my abilities.

Group D buddies <3.

You better not be leaving me here alone when people realize how talented you are >:C.

 

[Overswarm]

If we're just going to have everyone in group D/C, then it's pretty pointless imo.

Either wait for more results so we can have more people spread out (Judo in A/B, Tako in A/B, Fizzle in A/B, etc.), or stick to a PR. I thought the main point of the PR was to show who the talent within an area. If we're sticking everyone in one/two groups (especially when they don't actually belong there), then whats the point of even having a list in the first place?

\KILLER/

Because a power ranking doesn't mean anything if the skill level is so close between players it doesn't matter, and for the entire existence of a power ranking it's just been people saying "I DID GOOD IN THIS ONE TOURNAMENT" and then attempting to move their spot up. It's not really been an accurate reflection of anything worthwhile.

 

[Dooms]

Because a power ranking doesn't mean anything if the skill level is so close between players it doesn't matter, and for the entire existence of a power ranking it's just been people saying "I DID GOOD IN THIS ONE TOURNAMENT" and then attempting to move their spot up. It's not really been an accurate reflection of anything worthwhile.

It still gives people a general idea about who is good in which state compared to the other players in the state.

This would pretty much just be saying that everyone in the area you're including (OH/IN/KY, right?) sucks...

Which isn't the case at all.

\KILLER/

 

[Overswarm]

....yes it is.

The majority of players are going to be group D, we'll have a small handful of group C. If all the people in group C are close to one another, we naturally will have a very small group B. etc., etc.