2-DJeff
Smash Master
See if im bluffing. Better not let me catch your *** at a tourney.
and if your talking about the PR wins go look at the unrank list that beat PRs buddy
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The Official Ice Climbers' Video Thread
- Thread starter Smoom77
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and if your talking about the PR wins go look at the unrank list that beat PRs buddy
Sieguest
Smash Master
The salinity level in this thread is much too high for civilian use...
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
He mad salty, making claims he knows he can't follow through on.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
yea im salty cause your talking about my mom and saying your gonna cut off my balls u sick ***git. Cant wait to punch your face in
checked out that PR yet? are you on gerogia PRs? lol
gerogia isnt even as good as FL and i dont see your name and even if you are it doesn't matter because your not as good as us so plz stfu lol
Spin
Smash Journeyman
^^^ dude needs to chill....
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
Someone get this kid a Natty.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4ZA6DskuiY
Another video of Hilt smacking me around that day. Some of the grabs that should've went down, didn't because he was testing out Prime's grab break method. I kinda panicked and tried to infinite him asap.
DeLux
Player that used to be Lux
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The Fix:
Grab > Downthrow > Downthrow > Shield Buffer > (Repeat Bthrow > DThrow >). You just won.
Work on whatever desync you were trying to do where you were ice blocking the wrong direction. It's probably one of the buffered turnaround shenanigans.
Grab > Downthrow > Downthrow > Shield Buffer > (Repeat Bthrow > DThrow >). You just won.
Work on whatever desync you were trying to do where you were ice blocking the wrong direction. It's probably one of the buffered turnaround shenanigans.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Your desynching was horrid. Please work on that.
You keep trying to force your way to Olimar too much instead of trying to force him on you, thats what Blizzard wall is for really.
You should worry about the grab release shi, since as Cheese said before they still have to react to your grab, so you have the exact same time if you buffer your grabs correctly the whole time.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
THANK YOU!!
Someone is keeping it real with me. Tear my ICs apart. That's what I want out of a critique.
People who are good at the Olimar MU, please break this **** down. Piece by piece. I'm tired of looking for IC v Olimar vids and getting either ICs that are bad at the Olimar MU or Olimars that are bad at the ICs MU.
B0NK
Smash Lord
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To add on to that, learn when to desync
I'm assuming those synced IB were mistakes, and were meant to be desync. But even if they were successful desyncs most of them wouldn't have worked. He was baiting your desyncs and punishing for you mistakes (although I may be giving him too much credit). You need to learn when you have enough space to set up those desyncs, and sometimes when he gave you that space, you did nothing.
I could already see you knew to set-up blizzard when he was on the edge, just get better at doing it. Also, synced Blizzards are very punishable if they don't land, same goes to IB (and punishable if they do land with proper SDI, but not in this match-up)
Also use (synced) side-b as an attack sometimes, it's punishable if predictable, but if landed you just put him in the air, probably killed some pikimin, and now your up air can wreak havoc (watch for olimars down b though, although he only used airdodge which is SO much more punishable and half the reason why you **** him with MK lol)
Work on your CG obv, you had missed opportunities in the match (but this goes to every IC)
Don't let him jump over you or into you while you desyncing and in general. But most of the time he had you in the air or pressured you to the edge. Don't let this happen, only way to avoid it is to learn proper move choice to keep his moves from pressuring you. (that's just playing the match-up, there's no flow chart of this move beats that move)
I'm assuming those synced IB were mistakes, and were meant to be desync. But even if they were successful desyncs most of them wouldn't have worked. He was baiting your desyncs and punishing for you mistakes (although I may be giving him too much credit). You need to learn when you have enough space to set up those desyncs, and sometimes when he gave you that space, you did nothing.
I could already see you knew to set-up blizzard when he was on the edge, just get better at doing it. Also, synced Blizzards are very punishable if they don't land, same goes to IB (and punishable if they do land with proper SDI, but not in this match-up)
Also use (synced) side-b as an attack sometimes, it's punishable if predictable, but if landed you just put him in the air, probably killed some pikimin, and now your up air can wreak havoc (watch for olimars down b though, although he only used airdodge which is SO much more punishable and half the reason why you **** him with MK lol)
Work on your CG obv, you had missed opportunities in the match (but this goes to every IC)
Don't let him jump over you or into you while you desyncing and in general. But most of the time he had you in the air or pressured you to the edge. Don't let this happen, only way to avoid it is to learn proper move choice to keep his moves from pressuring you. (that's just playing the match-up, there's no flow chart of this move beats that move)
2-DJeff
Smash Master
Roller
Smash Legend
Jeff, I don't intend for any of this to piss you off. I'm honestly just trying to help. And as a pika/ICs player, who has played many of the top pikas, I have quite a bit of experience in the mu.
There is really no reason you should have dropped either of those games. You dropped the sopo cg on pikachu multiple times, so make sure you work on that. The other thing is once again. I saw NO pivot grabs.. Pivot grab is king in this matchup. It beats all those approaches esam was doing to **** you up. You kept doing some kind of like. Turn around dash grab.. idk if this was you screwing up pivot grabs, but ESAM kept getting away with like.. running up and dairing you. or fairing you. those are simple pivot grabs. Make sure to make use of them. Please don't say "yeah, I know. john #3, etc." You need to work on using pivot grab in the matchup.
The other thing. When he is jolting from behind the platform on the other side of bf. Don't approach unless he is clearly trying to time you out. Just desynch IBs or get on the platform on your side and jump and IB until he moves.
He is good at mashing, so I get why a few of your grabs you F'ed up from trying to go too fast, but try to calm your nerves in a match and choose the best option. For instance, you ended a dthrow chain a bit early with sopo game 1 and ended with fthrow when you could have fsmashed.
You actually can probably beat him, I'd just once again say pivot grab. Use it. A lot.
There is really no reason you should have dropped either of those games. You dropped the sopo cg on pikachu multiple times, so make sure you work on that. The other thing is once again. I saw NO pivot grabs.. Pivot grab is king in this matchup. It beats all those approaches esam was doing to **** you up. You kept doing some kind of like. Turn around dash grab.. idk if this was you screwing up pivot grabs, but ESAM kept getting away with like.. running up and dairing you. or fairing you. those are simple pivot grabs. Make sure to make use of them. Please don't say "yeah, I know. john #3, etc." You need to work on using pivot grab in the matchup.
The other thing. When he is jolting from behind the platform on the other side of bf. Don't approach unless he is clearly trying to time you out. Just desynch IBs or get on the platform on your side and jump and IB until he moves.
He is good at mashing, so I get why a few of your grabs you F'ed up from trying to go too fast, but try to calm your nerves in a match and choose the best option. For instance, you ended a dthrow chain a bit early with sopo game 1 and ended with fthrow when you could have fsmashed.
You actually can probably beat him, I'd just once again say pivot grab. Use it. A lot.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
To add on:
Jeff, why are you dash grabbing? Dash grabs are really bad. They have shorter ranges than standing grab and longer cooldown.
You airdodged into him too much. This goes for alot of characters, but pikachu especially, DO NOT AIR DODGE INTO THEM.
You did good overall though, just need to cut back on the mistakes. Also, Jabbing/Ftilting out of shield would be a nice habit to pick up since he likes to come at you with grab.
Jeff, why are you dash grabbing? Dash grabs are really bad. They have shorter ranges than standing grab and longer cooldown.
You airdodged into him too much. This goes for alot of characters, but pikachu especially, DO NOT AIR DODGE INTO THEM.
You did good overall though, just need to cut back on the mistakes. Also, Jabbing/Ftilting out of shield would be a nice habit to pick up since he likes to come at you with grab.
Dash grabs have more range vertically and horizontally than standing grabs actually. The only reason they are bad is because they give your opponent more time to mash.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
aye guys what ever advice you can give me for round 2 with him ill will take it. He said i was one of the hardest IC hes ever fought and i want to beat him next time.
your right on the piviot grabs because i notice it dose work after replaying my videos and watched what i did right and wrong. i pivot grabbed him out of quick attack once and that's the only pivot grab i did the entire set. so yea im totally taking your advice on that.
Roller
Smash Legend
You said you have a brother right? If you get him to Fair/Dair/Nair at you and practice pivotgrabbing it, it should get pretty easy.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
yea ill get him to do that. Ill also get him to nado with mk so i could practice pivot grabbing that.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
Low nado can, high nado cant. You can still up smash it though.Just remember you cannot pivotgrab a tornado when it's done correctly. But it's good to practice it as punishing an incorrect nado is a big thing in MK MU for everyone
can I get some feedback on my match, only the second one was recorded.
thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr7GnT8XE0c&feature=player_embedded
thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr7GnT8XE0c&feature=player_embedded
2-DJeff
Smash Master
play patient and when he full hop fairs, you can up air him dont be afraid.
Next time play on Smashville or Bf its better than picto because you can get ****ed over at picto and Mk can also to.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
wat? please make SENTENCES.
but yeah, you just got impatient at the end. You saw he didn't mash too fast (else he would have gotten out at the lower percent grabs) but you still had a "hurry up and kill him off" mindset near the end and threw away 3 grabs. Check your opponents space better. Its MK, don't rush him down; Let him rush YOU down first so you can see his patterns. You didn't desynch / keep yourself desynched quite as solidly or as much as you could. MK doesnt have a straightforward answer for Blizzard wall, he has to get around it somehow, so use that to box him in.
Roller
Smash Legend
I think picto is actually ok vs mk if you like the stage. As is BF or YI. I usually wont go smashville vs a mk (especially if they are the type that like to run the clock) since that moving platform can be a ***** in the right hands.
2-DJeff
Smash Master
yea thats true, but i was just saying picto can mess you over.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
Roller
Smash Legend
Nice use of the uair->footstool thing. I only recently started using it. Too f***ing good.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
No. He plays 10x better than you.
The only similar thing I see is the lack of desynching.
ch33s3
Smash Lord
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We approach the MK matchup the same (I watched a bunch of him v MK). I use the same punishes and try and create the same situations. The only real difference is I'm a bit more aggressive with my uairs.
And he's wayyyy better at cging than you >_> lol.
Kakera is still my favorite IC. 9B is better at Cging than him though and actually does the dthrow cgs
Kakera is still my favorite IC. 9B is better at Cging than him though and actually does the dthrow cgs
ch33s3
Smash Lord
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I haven't dropped a grab on a lightweight in quite a whie, thank you very much.
Jerk.
<4
I've never seen you do the buffered dthrow until they can't mash out till dthrow like he does though. I've been telling people to do this foreverrr and he is the first person aside from myself that I've seen cg like that.
Also, you dropped a lot of grabs vs larry at mlg.
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ch33s3
Smash Lord
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I do the dthrows all the time o.O. I clearly need to post more vids.I've never seen you do the buffered dthrow until they can't mash out till dthrow like he does though. I've been telling people to do this foreverrr and he is the first person aside from myself that I've seen cg like that.
Also, you dropped a lot of grabs vs larry at mlg.
And yes, after Larry I hit the time chamber, two weeks after that, I stopped dropping.
Rubberbandman
Smash Champion
You do need to post more vids.
By better you mean?
Because of all the vids I've seen of Kakera he is more consistent with his grabs, the only time I really see him drop it is when the opponent breaks out or nana trips.
9B is more solid standard, Kakera is more technical.
Ray_Kalm
Smash Master
God, do I ever love people with such big false egos.