Pieman0920
Smash Master
Eww....loads of these reasons are no good. And it doesn't really answer my question. o_oGeno's chances and disadvantages
Before this discussion carries on any longer, I want to clarify something: Geno does not have a 100% chance of being in this game and those that believe he does are just too swept up in the moment.
As the situation stands, he will either be playable or he won't show up at all. Why? Because he's technically third party and there'd be no point in just having him as an AT especially when 1. the Mario franchise already has two, 2. there has already been 18 ATs confirmed and 7 of the already confirmed represented franchises like Zelda and DK don't even have one yet, 3. how there are tons of smaller franchises that Nintendo hasn't yet tapped into yet.
Now, here's what Geno has going for him:
1. The 5 mentions in Sakurai's journal
2. SMRPG being the most requested VC game in both North America and Japan since it was basically first announced.
3. SMRPG's director now working for Nintendo as the founder of the second party, Alpha Dream. (The man who is presumed responsible for getting Geno into Mario and Luigi: Super Star Saga)
4. Pretty much a moveset given to the developers on a silver platter.
5. His appearance in both the 2001 Melee poll and the 2006 Brawl poll.
6. Nintendo offically classifying him as a Mario character rather then third party. (Geno only has appeared in Mario games)
7. Nintendo having the upper hand when it comes to Geno's legal situation and thus making him much easier to obtain then other third party characters.
8. Him being the only original Mario RPG character besides Fawful, Bow and Parakarry to appear in more then one game and play some sort of role.
9. Yoko Shimomura (the composer who did the music for both SMRPG and M&L:SS) being one of the composers for Brawl.
10. Nintendo and Square Enix being on good terms especially when you consider they've made two joint projects in the past year and there are a ton of SE games on the way for the DS and Wii.
Here's what Geno has going against him:
1. Square Enix still having the power to say no if Nintendo refuses whatever "rental agreement" SE might establish.
2. The chance that Nintendo/Sakurai won't even bother asking Square Enix in the first place.
3. His overall obscurity. (Which Sakurai likes)
That's basically the situation laid out in black and white. Granted, 2 doesn't seem likely since the situation is basically win-win for both companies (Nintendo gets to use a wanted character and SE makes some money for a character that's basically worthless to them) and 3 really isn't a factor considering how the likes of the Ice Climbers and Mr. Game and Watch have come back from the "dead." Number one is the biggest concern and if Geno was completely first party, I'd probably bump his chances to 85%. The ultimateum of whether or not Square Enix will agree to the deal is what ultimately will decide if Geno makes it in or not. Granted, this is the situation with all third party characters but it should be noted despite Geno's legal situation being somewhat different.
So there you have it. I think with all this said, I think our reasons for supporting this character and beliefs that he has a decent chance are well founded and don't dive into sheer fanboyism like some people suggest.
(I do agree though that he'd show up as playable or not at all. Going through the trouble to make him a AT seems like a waste)
Anyways~
1. Doesn't really matter unless we know how Sakurai responds.
2. Source for this? And if its so requested, why isn't it out yet? And even if it is, we already have three characters from it.
3. Again, we already have three characters from SMRPG. And does this guy have any say in Brawl at all?
4. Everyone can have a moveset really, so this is moot. Heck, it's not even a pro, it's more of a requirment that all the characters have to meet for consideration.
5. Like loads of other characters. And if he didn't make it in back then, what's changed now?
6. And because of this, he has to complete with much more worthy Mario characters, who have done a lot more than him, and have made more apperances. This isn't a pro what so ever.
7. How so? He's a Square character. Heck, if you get Square to agree to send in a character, then why not someone that people actually care about? That's the point of a third party character.
8. One, all of the partners from PM1 and 2 have shown up at least twice. Two, Geno's second apperance wasn't a "role" really at all. Three, it's "Mario" RPG. We have Mario. We also have Bowser and Peach, who are both characters who showed up in all of the PM and M&L games. (Did I forget to mention Luigi is also likely?)
9. And he's listed under Kingdom Hearts. Now I know the Sonic guy was also not listed under Sonic, but you have to remember, that half of the musicians don't even represent the games they worked on in the past. This is a complete assumption if you think its a pro.
10. So why not add in Cloud? Everyone knows him. He's popular and succesful. Unlike Geno.
The flaws in comparison are clearly biased, but that makes sense, since it is written by you guys. Heck, why would Sakurai like a third party character that's obscure? Maybe a first or second party one, but it's a complete waste to get a 3rd party one that no one has heared about. =/