Disscussing 2 1/2 Party characters... (Loopholes)
I know what you are all thinking, "What the heck is he talking about?" Well my friends I am here to discuss a legal-sorta loophole that means characters like Isaac, Geno and Dixie Kong can get in Brawl without being classified as third party.
First let me define what first, second and third party are. First party games are games like Mario and Zelda, who are DIRECTLY developed by Nintendo without a sub-company. Second party games are games like Pokemon and Fire Emblem, which are Nintendo games developed BY sub-companies (IE Game Freak and Intelligent Systems.) Now of course thir party games are games who are developed BY another company, and who hold the ABSOLUTE rights to the character.
Now this brings us into the realm of what I call "2 1/2" party characters, here is the classification for this. It is a game developed by Nintendo by a former sub-company who hold's PARTIAL rights to a character. Now here is where the fun begins; Rare and Camelot were both former Nintendo sub-companies that developed series for Nintendo (Don't know about Square though?)So that means Nintendo can use the Geno, Dixie, and Isaac without doing anything more than just putting a little "This is property of Square blah blah blah." Because it has Co-Owned ownership, it is not legally a third party character, because both Nintendo and their former sub-company once worked together to create the game and in the case of Geno and Dixie, fall under the Mario and Donkey Kong universe.
Do I have evidence of this, do I have evidence they can use whatever they want with nothing more than a little disclaimer. Yes, in fact not many people know this; it was done in Melee with RARE! If you look on page 4 in the Melee instruction booklet it reads as follows, "Rare Ltd. Certain characters and items from PERFECT DARK and DONKEY KONG COUNTRY 2. DONKEY KONG 64 rap music based on original DONKEY KONG 64 musiccourtesy of Rare Limited." Also at the top of the paragraph wheree it lists all the companies you'll also see RARE once more. Does this mean that the Donkey Kong Jungle stage is a third party stage? No, it means that Nintendo can use them, but hadd to give credit to RARE to not face lawsuit. And I want to point out again that third party related characters are characters created by a company that was and is not a part of Nintendo.
Another point I want to make on why a third PC must have been on a Nintendo system, it is because of this. When a character has a trophy it will show the sytem it comes come, now if you have someone like Master Chief; you'll have to mention Xbox. Which you just can't do! Microsoft is a rival and it just makes sense that you DO NOT want to promote another companies console. So they have to have a Nintendo to reference too, the ONLY reason Sega can do this is because the Wii VC has the Genesis on it, so advertising the Genesis is not much a big deal today, and Sonic is the biggest third party contender and he has had several Gameboy and DS games, which settles the whole Nintendo platform debate.
So based upon the evidence it proves that someone as popular as Geno can get in without ruining the chances of another popular conteder. *cough*Megaman*cough*
And means Geno AND Megaman can both get in, along with Isaac and Dixie; If they so choose. Thus truly making this the FAN's
game.
Please guy's respond, I want some dialogue on this issue. happy
[UPDATE]
I now have aquired new evidence that supports Geno as a co-owned character. It has come to my attention (I played the game again) that Geno made a cameo appearance in Mario & Luigi: Superstar Saga. Now it does say that he is "Property od Square," but there is something rather interesting about this. Nintendo most likely did not go out of their way to ask permission to use Geno,
they just stuck him in their; with just a little disclaimer at the end. Now here's the punch-line, in the case of Mario & Sonic at the Olympics, Nintendo and Sega had to go through a lot of of discussions before actually developing the game. As great of a game as M&L:SS was, do you honestly think Nintendo and Square had to do a lot of discussions before including him? No, the fact that 3 former Square employees worked on M&L and could so easily include Geno just solidifies my point. And how many Square musicians are working on Brawl? Oh yeah 3.
Now if you haven't noticed my main argument is of Geno, since he is the most highly attested character for Brawl. And I want to prove that he can be included in Brawl WITHOUT taking that final third party slot. Because I have come to be a Geno fan, as well as a Megaman fan; I have proof that it is possible for the two disputing sides to get what they want.
But for those of you who just refuse to believe Geno is anything BUT third party, lemme show you Sakurai's comment on third party PC's, "Anyways, at most we'll add another 1-2 characters [after Snake], maybe?" You see that last word at the end? MAYBE, people seem to forget that. Lemme show you this now.
King Dedede(5)
Diddy Kong(4)
Geno(4)
Ike(4)
Ridley(4)
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3)
Krystal(3)
Takamaru(3)
Windwaker Link(3)
Animal Crossing MC(2)
Claus(2)
Demiru(2)
Isaac(2)
Jeff(2)
Kawasima(2)
King K.Rool(2)
Lip(2)
Lucas(2)
Mega Man(2)
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2)
Sukapon(2)
Notice Geno and Megaman on that list, this list is the list of the top most multiple voted for characters. This list is VERY representative of who has the best chances (excluding Kawashima and the bottom three Japan-only characters.) And since both Megaman and Geno OBVIOUSLY have huge fanbases. I think Sakurai can make an exception, AND to top it all off, the comment about only 1-2 more TPC's mysteriously vanished from the smash site after about 4 months being on there.
But this argument is for the skeptics. I think I have proven point-and-case, Megaman and Geno; the two most popular characters
right now.
♪!? aliance?
