The Official Chat with Emblem Lord Thread

[BacklashMarth]

I agree with adubmrodeus . My reason for shffling less than most ppl is the whole "if ur opponent expects u to do it, when y do it?". The only things i do when my opponent expects it are things that cannot be punished or things they can do nothing about.

P.S. if u have trouble short hopping, try doing it with x or y. it cant hurt to try.

 

[Steel]

^ now that post i can agree with. My reason for shffling less than most ppl is the whole "if ur opponent expects u to do it, when y do it?". The only things i do when my opponent expects it are things that cannot be punished or things they can do nothing about.

I don't understand that logic. Marth players SHFF because it isn't as easy to punish and you regain control of Marth sooner.

 

[BacklashMarth]

No, i wasnt saying that as an argument against shffling. I was just trying to say ALL of ur jumps dont have to be fast falled or short hopped. Fast falling just sends u into ur landing lag animation sonner right(unless ur cancelling an attack with it)? You can still have the same amount of control over u character if short hop w/o fast falling. Btw, are u busy today? If not, how about a wifi match?

 

[Pierce7d]

Because Full Hops are easy to read, since you spend loads of time above your opponent, and you're weak from below in the first place.

 

[BacklashMarth]

B4 someome else tries to convince me that short hopping is key, I already understand. Yes, i short hop. Yes, i fast fall.

 

[null55]

Okay, but apparently he doesn't in a real match against humans... And that's what we're talking about here...

Melfice, even though it's kind of suggested that you should use a joystick for jumping and buttons for attacking, it's much more effective to use buttons to jump and use a joystick for attacking. If you're using the c-stick for aerials (smashes aren't completely necessary unless your boost smashing and some other techs) and you're using the X/Y button to jump, controlling the character becomes a hell of a lot easier. Receding fairs, shuffling nairs, bairs going moving in a forward direction, etc., all that sh*t becomes a breeze.

Takes a little while to get used to, but it's very worth it...

 

[Retroking2000]

yes i agree that method is very efficient

i know how for a marth to not get punished if he fairs into a shield

a shielding opponent

marth fairs but fair straight out of a short hop . since he is still airbone he can double jump right so

you combine DJ with a receding airdodge

there you have it unpunishable fairs

 

[BacklashMarth]

c-stick aerials make for better control of ur characters motion. i hate the idea of having to move forward to do a fair or backwards to bair.

 

[Retroking2000]

but its a slower input , its actually slows you game down , but makes it safer

against snakes thats good.

but the A input has its uses for fair rushdown .

i agree

its helps to be cstick conscience

do you want you marth shield pressure can to be better

heres the tool dancing blade ,

you know you can slow the sword dance at times and continue

thats the kill to shield pressure eventually leading to a shield stab

i seem to **** snakes but doing this

it helps to set your cstick to specials

what does anyone think of this ?

also if you are in your shields dont short hop attack out of it ,

marth has enough range for you to full jump attack and it hits

so FJ out of shields personally when playing metaknights i FJump dair spam out of sheild

anyones thoughts on this ?

 

[null55]

It really isn't that much slower... A couple frames if you're quick. Nair is of course exactly the same, since you have to press the A button.

I think it also makes executing combinations easier. I have a much easier time going from fair to uair, or the first hit of dancing blade to uair or fair if I use the c-stick for aerials.


PS.. the latter method does sound interesting, and I sometimes do something similar to the first method. I like to just use the first couples hits of DB to bait people when they're in a shield. I can usually predict when they'll try to attack out of it, in which case DB's speed can counter. Or they can roll away and I'll just dash attack or go right into more DB. Basically DB is a ridiculously good special...

 

[BacklashMarth]

i trade faster smashes and better air movement control for random glitches with little utility anyday. marth justs isnt a b-sticking char.

 

[Melfice z]

shffling is massively important in general. However, there definitely is merit to varying your movesets.

But being good without ever short-hopping is slightly impossible however, except comparatively to people in your area.

using the gravity cancel i can usually mix up my approach though my air game is superb

 

[Melfice z]

i do see where you guys come from though. ill take a little vacatoin from smash and reapproach the game with a new controller scheme. thx guys :D

 

[crazn137]

What do you guys think about Marth as a doubles partner? I usually find myself abandoning the slower, more patient play you see in singles. Between watching out for my partner, and keeping track of two characters, I find playing a faster style much more efficient. Once it gets down to only one opponent, me and my partner (Either TL or DDD) attack from throws and grab releases.

What are everyone's thoughts on how Marth should be played, and what style he should try and keep to in doubles?

 

[adumbrodeus]

using the gravity cancel i can usually mix up my approach though my air game is superb

Don't forget start canceling, really improves your unpredictability.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

crazn i do not play doubles very often but when i do i kinda go crazy and attack a lot but intelligently at the same time.

 

[Remzi]

EL: Whats better Marths offense or Marth's defense?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Defense of course.

 

[Remzi]

thanks, just confirming it. got into an argument with a couple people on gfaqs who refused to acknowledge that. i dont know what i was doing there looking for any serious talk anyways.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Link me to the thread plz.

I desire much lulz and this should serve my purpose.

 

[Remzi]

the topic was deleted, but it was full of lulz. i was kinda just messing with them, and they were all really serious and trying to convince me of things with no backup.

-the TC thinks that you can consistently ken combo in this game
-they misquoted YOU a lot
-Marth has many killing options at 45-65% (my favorite one)
-marths notipped attacks are almost as good as marths tipped attacks in knockback
-marth has "awesome" recovery
-marths bair is the best gimping option because it keeps you facing towards the stage (LOOLOLOLOL)
-i dont think they knew what meteor cancelling was.... lol
-when hanging on the ledge, the best option is to bair, then fair 4 times, then recover. lmao
-the reason marths offense is superior to his defense is apparently his ability to chain fairs

you should have been there EL

 

[Emblem Lord]

They misquoted me? lol. What kind if crap did they quote?

 

[Remzi]

lol i cant really remember, i know it was matchups though. i think they said that you said both Snake and Falco own marth in a matchup. something about marth having a great advantage on MK. dont quote me on these though lol. that is IIRC. if it wasnt those it was something equally as ridiculous. One of them said something about you saying Marth was just as good as G&W...

its hard to remember because there wasnt too much talk about you in the topic im referring to. it happened a lot in another topic a while back. which is where most of the absurd matchups were posted.

 

[Emblem Lord]

Hmmm. For the record Marth and G&W have been virtually equal in tourney results since the game came out. So for all intents and purposes I do consider them equal. They both just excel at different things. G&W has a handful of broken things while Marth is just solid across the board.

 

[Remzi]

Lol. I guess that gives them one point on me then...
but you cant ignore the other stuff they said XD

but i gotta disagree with you on that. G&W has his broken bair, his smashes have ridiculous knockback and very little ending lag, his throws are good for setups. and to my knowledge he has amazing matchups and tourney results. In a direct matchup Marth beats him, but it was always to my understanding that G&W was clearly the better character. Anyways, isn't G&W AT LEAST solid in every aspect, and then just simply broken in a few others?

 

[Emblem Lord]

G&W's throws are decent set-ups and I was talking about that in the G&W boards last night. Marth has better tilts and special moves overall. G&W has better smashes and recovery. Marth has more range and speed. G&W has more aerial mobility. Marth has the stronger defensive game while G&W has stronger offense.

BTW, meant to say virtually equal. G&W might get that slight edge. The thing we must remember is that he has qualities that are OP which can outshine his other qualities that aren't as good, which makes him seem better and he requires less training and effort to play. This is just perception of course.

 

[Remzi]

well put. that makes sense to me.

 

[jinofcoolnes]

Who's better you or Steel2nd?

 

[Emblem Lord]

Honestly? I am.

 

[jinofcoolnes]

Ok not Honestly.......

 

[Emblem Lord]

Rofl. Steel is decent, but lacks experience. I just know more then him and know what to do in different situations.

 

[Remzi]

Lol, last time I played EL he ***** me. I actually thought I was good until I played you. Thanks for bringing me back down to earth, jerk.

 

[grandmaster192]

Seel's Marth looks better than EL's to me. No offence to EL, but Steel2nd's Marth looks pretty decent.

 

[Remzi]

Lol, both of them are a hell of a lot better than decent IMO.

 

[grandmaster192]

Lol, both of them are a hell of a lot better than decent IMO.

Both are really good, but I thought Steel2nd looked a bit more skilled.

I would like to play either one of them... Mostly to get a better understand of how their anti-MK tactics work... and a few Marth dittos to see where I'm at.

 

[Steel]

I suck.

Sides you probably saw my somewhat recent vids from July, while EL's only vids are from early June.

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Steel if you suck then I'm the worst player on the planet, because you destroyed me on Wi-Fi (kinda long time ago though). But although I haven't played EL I think he might be better than Steel. And BengalsRZ you are good. You should play Steel if you haven't already.

 

[Nica K.O]

idk if its been discussed it here but since you have free time lol ill go and ask

how would you go about fighting MK, olimar

i went to a recent tournament and i lost to both of them...MK i somewhat knew what to do but not fully and olimar my problem was i kept getting grabbed...they werent shield grabs either they were just flat out dashing grabs and the range was deceptive for me...those are basically my only 2 match ups im having problems with

p.s-i wouldve gone to the match up thread but i figured since time past since that was made it couldve been possible for play styles and things of that nature were to change

 

[¯\_S.(ツ).L.I.D._/¯]

Look on the matchup index sticky and go to MK, for Olimar wait for the matchup thread to be made.

 

[G-Beast]

recently, ive decided to try marth, and i like him. however i seem to have problems when facing enemy GaW, but Meta Knight even more so... im still kinda noobish with marth, but i want to know what marth has on these 2 characters that give me grief...