Q&A The official "Ask Your Questions" thread

[Max?]

Switch to Fox, or if it's armada go Puff, but make sure you're good at the Y.Link matchup.

Too bad DK gets ***** by Y.Link

 

[bubbaking]

Seriously? Is it cuz his shield can't hold up against that many projectiles? Also, I feel like DK has tools he can use on Peach. She's not exactly that floaty so she can still be comboed, and spaced bairs should still beat out a lot of her float options.

 

[phish-it]

Peach gets by with alot of bull**** with her high priority exploiting DK's hugeness. Seriously if she downsmashes your shield you can't jump out of it and d-air her without stepping on her dress and trading hits. If the peach player doesn't know the matchup it can be doable but if they do then it is just annoying to play.

 

[Max?]

Y. Link is really good vs. fat/slow characters. DK happens to be both and he has a small shield. Everything Y.Link does turns DK around, typically he needs to be facing backwards to be effective so that's a big problem. Y.Link can just run away and be annoying forever.

It's tough

 

[KingofCereal]

If only characters didn't turn around when hit. This would be better.

 

[bubbaking]

Y. Link is really good vs. fat/slow characters. DK happens to be both and he has a small shield.

To be honest, I don't really think DK is that slow. Sure, he can be awkward at times, but I think one of his strong points is the fact that he's probably the fastest heavyweight.

 

[KingofCereal]

But what other heavyweights are there? Bowser, Ganon, Link... maybe C.Falcz. And aside from Bowser, who is an idiot, they all have better options than DK. Ganon has more quick moves, and has that insane stomp and jab and a more useful fair. Link has a million billion projectiles. DK can be quick, but you really have to be spot on with all of your ****. He is fat. His shield sucks and his dodges also suck. But when you win with him, it's so gratifying. And his combos can be sneakyy.

 

[bubbaking]

Samus is the 3rd heaviest character in the game. Yoshi is also a heavyweight (the lightest, I think). Link is not a heavyweight and he is the same weight as Falcon.

 

[Strong Badam]

I don't think DK vs. Y Link is that bad.

 

[CptDiabetes]

i think the dk v y link match should be in dks favor; more reach, just get him off the edge then drop more bairs.

 

[Strong Badam]

It's like evenish or slightly in DK's favor. just outplay them

 

[bubbaking]

That's what you say...until a random dair gets thru your shield! >

 

[Strong Badam]

Being shieldstabbed as DK is like 2007 stuff. Start lightshielding fool.

 

[Max?]

Sorry Strongbad, that matchup is not good at all. Y. Link runs circles around DK, projectile camping is hard for DK to deal with, DK's combo/grab game on Y.Link is not that hot, everything Y.Link does turns DK around so he can't bair. What good Y.Links have you played that make you feel otherwise?

Also, if you have to outplay someone to win, that == a bad matchup

Ex: Marth can beat Sheik, you just gotta out play them. Look at Niko vs Ice

 

[Strong Badam]

There was a YL that lived in KC and made bracket at a 100+ tourney here in the MW that I played a lot. Bair the boomerangs and jump over bombs and it's really not that bad. I honestly don't think projectile camping works as well against DK as a lot of people seem to think.

Outplay someone to win = even or worse MU

 

[Strong Badam]

Oh my god what the **** this is what I did
Dreamland, left platform.
Dthrow falcon to the left.
Drop through giant punch
edgehog

Kill at 40%

Loser's Finals
loool nothing cool I do is ever recorded -_-

 

[Max?]

Phish-it got 5th at a big NE tourney today. Beat Banks (a sheik main) and had close *** sets with Zoso and Swift. Dude's a monster.

 

[bubbaking]

There was a YL that lived in KC and made bracket at a 100+ tourney here in the MW that I played a lot. Bair the boomerangs and jump over bombs and it's really not that bad. I honestly don't think projectile camping works as well against DK as a lot of people seem to think.

If projectile camping worked so well against DK, then Samus vs DK wouldn't be an even MU anymore.

 

[Strong Badam]

It is tho.

Phish-It is so good.

 

[bubbaking]

I think that's certainly helped by the fact that DK isn't slow. Samus really isn't, and imo, DK outspeeds her pretty solidly.

 

[Strong Badam]

Samus' defensive game is her biggest asset in most MUs and it's a little mitigated that DK can get ~23% ish out of a grab at almost any percent. Can't CC grabs bro. Otherwise typical bair spacing and mixups like in all floaty matchups.

Speaking of which, played darkatma's Peach in tourney yesterday. Game 2 I just failed hard, Game 3 I won, games 1 & 2 were both last hit. I think I'm getting some much needed experience against floaty characters lately. I think only the really good Peach players could beat me at this point if I'm playing well. VanZ/MacD/AR/darkatma/the usual.

**** Jigglypuff btw

I might be quitting this game soon though. It depends on how well I do at SMYM

 

[KILLA.FOR.CASH.]

why are you quitting, strongbad?

seems like you're starting to improve at a fast rate

thats when most people should keep playing imo

who knows you might be the next best dk

 

[bubbaking]

Nooo! Who's going to lead the DKs in their struggle to surpass mediocrity. :O

The struggle of the common character.

 

[Max?]

Pretty sure Phish-it or Kwan are the best active DKs atm. My vote goes to Phish because he has more impressive tourney W's and is more active. Strongbad is def close, but he didn't make round 2 pools at Apex

 

[Strong Badam]

Yeah my performance at APEX was really horrible. I didn't perform where it counted so I don't mind if people say that Phish/Kwan/RockCrock/Nedech > me right now. If I'm still around I'll do what I can to make the next national & do well.

I might be quitting because of life issues and such. As much as I love Melee there is not significant money to be made in it. I'll see where my life's at in a month or two. I want to keep playing if I can though. If I'm able to get a decent job by April I think I'll be able to. Unfortunately my crew isn't really down to travel very far so much of my traveling will have to be by bus on my own like APEX which was really brutal (both because traveling takes forever and sucks and on my wallet)

 

[Max?]

Understandable Strong_bad. Take care of your life first, melee comes second. I would say, don't play this game for money, if you are, you are playing it for the wrong reason.

 

[phish-it]

Understandable Strong_bad. Take care of your life first, melee comes second. I would say, don't play this game for money, if you are, you are playing it for the wrong reason.

So true. The reason the tournament yesterday was great was because people actually were having fun playing/ hanging out. When people like M2K/Jman **** people and say they only play for the money anymore, it really brings down the atmosphere. Playing solely for money is just stressful and you won't have fun playing anymore. It's not even reliable and you'll make more consistent income at a minimum wage part time job.

And Strong Bad if you still love the game then don't worry about it, the game will still be here once you find a job.

 

[Strong Badam]

lol I've never tried to use melee as a source of income. i gain some spending money from locals (~$200-250 within the past 3 months?) but nothing substantial.

 

[bubbaking]

Well, good luck with your job search! Hopefully, you find something good.

 

[Strong Badam]

Someone was asking about Cargo Bthrow to Fair on Marth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iozziODz958#t=11m30s

sup

 

[-Sinister-]

Someone was asking about Cargo Bthrow to Fair on Marth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iozziODz958#t=11m30s

sup

that was so real.

 

[Max?]

Someone was asking about Cargo Bthrow to Fair on Marth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iozziODz958#t=11m30s

sup

That only worked because he tried to jump out. If he just faired you he would've escaped

 

[Strong Badam]

lol ObviousTG

 

[bubbaking]

Wait, cargo bthrow and cargo fthrow are different? (O_o)

 

[Max?]

When you present it as "look at this immaculate combo", when it was really your opponent being a scrub, I'mma call it out

 

[Strong Badam]

there are tons of illegitimate combos that work due to reads and not hitstun. yeah, he could have gotten out via fair, or even by DIing out instead of in, but the same could be said for a ton of things. so just be entertained by cargo bthrow -> fair working cuz that's the point of such a combo lol

EDIT: How I play the ICs matchup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5roo0jnV9PE
Got a lot to work on tho

 

[phish-it]

Someone was asking about Cargo Bthrow to Fair on Marth?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iozziODz958#t=11m30s

sup

That was awesome


Some tips vs Ice Climbers:

If you get grabbed, you get *****,. Platform camp too, don't try to approach them on the open ground.

When they are together, I like to rely on 3 moves. Back-air, Charged punch, Down B.

Back air is obvious, the punch disrupts slower characters approach and it's one of the few moves you can safely hit their shield with. Down B, I didn't see you use it at all but it is amazing in this matchup,

Ice Climbers have good ground mobility but not so much in the air and they can't freely wavedash in on your down B and it seperates them easily, and in the air for up-ar ****. They can still jump in a hit you with blizzard out of it, but is an excellent way to control space.


Grab less (when they are together), f-smash less, f-tilt/d-tilt are good when they are not at low percent also.

 

[bubbaking]

What is the difference between cargo fthrow and cargo bthrow? Also, Strong Bad, against the ICs, did you purposefully allow yourself to take damage so that you could hit at least one of the climbers (and potentially keep them seperated)?

 

[Strong Badam]

There isn't a difference. I did bthrow to reference PC Chris and for confusion.

 

[bubbaking]

I see. So that 'combo' is kinda like a frame-trap?