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Keep your P:M propaganda to yourself.
Don't give me this crap. I can go off a huge tangent on this but I'm going to keep it simple. You make it sound like Melee purists play Brawl. People who play Melee play Melee. They aren't going to play Brawl.
Ok, then how did they learn the MU??
Not an official one, but most of the community places Wolf either high or top tier.
Hell if I know, probably by reading ESAM's post about how MK can edge-guard her the same way as Pika only more effectively because his nair is just a better version of Pika's
I'll play brawl. I'm WC fyi.
Ok.Who's hosting?
Yeah! To speed this up, it wraps all the way back to my first point. They knew the MU cuz they experimented with their character. Experimenting with your character is key so that when something comes across, you adapt and learn it. Imagine if no one knew how to learn to edge guard ZSS, Salem probably would keep winning tournaments. The tier list is screwed up because people fail to experiment fully with their character. For example, Peach. Everyone was saying things like "ohh Peach is so bad" and "all she can do is turnip camp and dair". Then friggin Kie came along and showed us what float-dashing could really do. True, float-dashing was found way before this but then BAM! a new use for it. Now we got Kie and SlayerZ doing these crazy shenanigans with Peach, and are probably as of now better than Illmatic who was the best Peach before this.
I practice DR a lot. It is very hard, especially for me since I use wii-chuck, but i've been getting it more consistently. Though i almost never use it on wifi cuz the extreamly strict timing, and the ease of application doesn't agree with lagYeah! To speed this up, it wraps all the way back to my first point. They knew the MU cuz they experimented with their character. Experimenting with your character is key so that when something comes across, you adapt and learn it. Imagine if no one knew how to learn to edge guard ZSS, Salem probably would keep winning tournaments. The tier list is screwed up because people fail to experiment fully with their character. For example, Peach. Everyone was saying things like "ohh Peach is so bad" and "all she can do is turnip camp and dair". Then friggin Kie came along and showed us what float-dashing could really do. True, float-dashing was found way before this but then BAM! a new use for it. Now we got Kie and SlayerZ doing these crazy shenanigans with Peach, and are probably as of now better than Illmatic who was the best Peach before this.
Im sayin all that just so say that there are probably some crazy things all the characters can do that no one has figured out how to do yet. Which is another reason, there are people that are significantly better than the 2nd best, (Will, Trela, ESAM) Then there are characters that no one is really good with, like Yoshi. No one ever uses DR that much... but until one guy comes up and starts DRing all over the place similar to Peach everyone's going to be like omg, Yoshi 2 stronk! MK's, ICs wont know how to deal with it for a short amount of time, until they go experiment some more and learn to counter it.
Keep in mind, I know MK and IC's are still probably going to be the strongest characters, that part of the tier list I agree with. Its everything else I disagree with.
play me? pl0x
I'll play some doubles.
Sure, i'll brawl ya
I'll have teams as well if another person wants to and if Crashman is ok with it
it's alright with me if we have people
Just found out I have to manually quote now, umm so courage, crash and alexo? you all up for teams?
Seems we're all in. Crashman, since we were going to brawl originally, wanna team up on blue?
As a former Yoshi main. I agree, I gave up on Yoshi almost just cuz wifi was too hard cuz he's just so technical... at least for me who liked to DR 3 times a second lol.
I think we should play or something.
Alrighty. I'm adding you right now.
I agree that experimentation is good, but it's that same experimentation that led everyone to figure out that MK trumps everything. Out of curiosity what specifically do you disagree with on the current tier list? Personally I feel that Pika should be in A- and Luigi and Lucas should be somewhere between C+ to C- other than that I pretty much agree with it. Also Peach is bad imo, other than utilt she's just a worse version of her Melee iteration in pretty much every way, she has most of the same combos, but they're all harder to pull off because of Brawl's physics, not to mention knockback decay makes it really hard for her to kill, and her recovery is worse her double jump doesn't go as high and she can't grab the ledge backwards despite being one of the few characters who could in Melee, and she has the worst air-dodge.Yeah! To speed this up, it wraps all the way back to my first point. They knew the MU cuz they experimented with their character. Experimenting with your character is key so that when something comes across, you adapt and learn it. Imagine if no one knew how to learn to edge guard ZSS, Salem probably would keep winning tournaments. The tier list is screwed up because people fail to experiment fully with their character. For example, Peach. Everyone was saying things like "ohh Peach is so bad" and "all she can do is turnip camp and dair". Then friggin Kie came along and showed us what float-dashing could really do. True, float-dashing was found way before this but then BAM! a new use for it. Now we got Kie and SlayerZ doing these crazy shenanigans with Peach, and are probably as of now better than Illmatic who was the best Peach before this.
Im sayin all that just so say that there are probably some crazy things all the characters can do that no one has figured out how to do yet. Which is another reason, there are people that are significantly better than the 2nd best, (Will, Trela, ESAM) Then there are characters that no one is really good with, like Yoshi. No one ever uses DR that much... but until one guy comes up and starts DRing all over the place similar to Peach everyone's going to be like omg, Yoshi 2 stronk! MK's, ICs wont know how to deal with it for a short amount of time, until they go experiment some more and learn to counter it.
Keep in mind, I know MK and IC's are still probably going to be the strongest characters, that part of the tier list I agree with. Its everything else I disagree with.
Good games! We only played one, though. o_o
Ah, I figured something was up when I saw you were "Brawling" right when you left. I'll give you some time!
