The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! Updated 8/14/14!

[SK919]

why can't we just love each other? and each other's character?

 

[Diatenshi]

Thanks for that Matt. Learn something new everyday

even more interesting

fox's is also 4 frames, but he's considered off the ground on frame 3...

so he can technically be stomped (into the ground, as apposed to being launched by a spike) while still during his jump animation

 

[Ocean]

chris; yeah, you would need to play a better puff before you could really say anything about that matchup. I'm not good enough to be reliable information.
keith; no. its not.
matt; I'd say its 55-45 in marths favor, if not even. at low levels marth raaapes jiggs but at higher levels, jiggs has such a good spacing game that she can actually get in on marth.

NC needs a good jiggs main.

 

[Diatenshi]

chris; yeah, you would need to play a better puff before you could really say anything about that matchup. I'm not good enough to be reliable information.
keith; no. its not.
matt; I'd say its 55-45 in marths favor, if not even. at low levels marth raaapes jiggs but at higher levels, jiggs has such a good spacing game that she can actually get in on marth.

NC needs a good jiggs main.

that last part... all DAY

id say even high level its slight marth, but your 55-45 # seems probably more correct than mine

 

[Bl@ckChris]

even playing stingers the few times i have, i can't make a real determination of the matchup.

 

[stingers]

i dont even see how marth wins jiggs punishes everything marth has to commit to approach he has no safe ways to space even nair is bad because jiggs goes SO FAST through the air

 

[Diatenshi]

i dont even see how marth wins jiggs punishes everything marth has to commit to approach he has no safe ways to space even nair is bad because jiggs goes SO FAST through the air

marth stands still and Ftilts or Fair OOS



im dead serious....

also no dashdancing in this matchup, wavedash away and abuse tilts

really hard matchup for marth as he cannot gimp nor get low % kills

 

[stingers]

lol well we'll just see who is more patient.

 

[TheLastCacely]

stingers look at it like this

marth=mk

jiggz= wario

it's basically the same MU.

 

[Dr Peepee]

If Marth commits at the wrong time or too late then Puff ***** him, and it's hard to be more precise/tricky with Marth than it is to look for openings after Marth swung his sword with Puff. People here seem to forget about Puff not HAVING to approach and just acting like she will, baiting Marth to swing and THEN ****** him.

I don't know what the matchup is, but don't underestimate puff's air mobility.

 

[stingers]

lol the MUs are nothing alike XD

 

[TheLastCacely]

lol the MUs are nothing alike XD

yes it is fool

 

[Diatenshi]

If Marth commits at the wrong time or too late then Puff ***** him, and it's hard to be more precise/tricky with Marth than it is to look for openings after Marth swung his sword with Puff. People here seem to forget about Puff not HAVING to approach and just acting like she will, baiting Marth to swing and THEN ****** him.

I don't know what the matchup is, but don't underestimate puff's air mobility.

i believe if marths spaces Ftilt correctly on sheild and it tips its unpunishable?

then again idk

the whole matchup discussion always relys on "perfect play" from both sides

 

[stingers]

lol well at "perfect play" both characters would just stand there and it'd time out every time.

 

[Diatenshi]

this aint brawl

 

[Dr Peepee]

i believe if marths spaces Ftilt correctly on sheild and it tips its unpunishable?

then again idk

the whole matchup discussion always relys on "perfect play" from both sides

Why the heck are you spacing Ftilts on puff's shield? Grab or do frame traps.

 

[Diatenshi]

Why the heck are you spacing Ftilts on puff's shield? Grab or do frame traps.

cause im ****in bad kevin!

dont expect me to actually do something smart

 

[Dr Peepee]

LOL you'll never get anywhere thinking that way.

Be positive and confident!

 

[Diatenshi]

LOL you'll never get anywhere thinking that way.

Be positive and confident!

i space tilts vs puff, its how i try and play the matchup... as much from the ground as possible, to avoid getting ***** by landing lag or caught in the air


best thing imo is wavedashback ftilt, works aight

 

[AlcyoNite]

LOL you'll never get anywhere thinking that way.

Be positive and confident!

this should be taken literally

seriously, if u all truly think u cant learn/think analytically for urself, then u simply wont

 

[Dr Peepee]

i space tilts vs puff, its how i try and play the matchup... as much from the ground as possible, to avoid getting ***** by landing lag or caught in the air


best thing imo is wavedashback ftilt, works aight

I think that cuts off too many options. There's a time and place for almost every move. If you prefer to be grounded that's cool but I mean Marth's Fair and Nair are pretty beast, at the least, no matter who you're fighting.

 

[~Twitch~]

werent u like...a toddler at that point?

i was 11...so yeah.

Is this what you really think?

XFD.

jiiiiiiiiiiiim!!

NC needs a good jiggs main.

haha...ha....no we don't.

 

[Dr Peepee]

We neeeeeeed to learn that matchup.

 

[AlcyoNite]

i thought as much

 

[stingers]

aight I'll start going all jiggs to make josh happy.

 

[Diatenshi]

We neeeeeeed to learn that matchup.

and apparently i REALLLY do


im confident in my falcon, peach and fox matchups, falco and sheik are in progress

sheik requiring better spacing/allround safer play
and falco i need to learn against those lazers, expecially fairing after double ledgehopped lasers or the spacing/timing for fsmash to trade

 

[Dr Peepee]

Lmfao STOP THAT

 

[Diatenshi]

Lmfao STOP THAT

i got wrecked by idea at apex, it hasnt sat well, i played subpar.
more like stupid, its odd cause i can read people and see where the ***** coming from, its just like, ohhh... he's gonna fair, and i eat a fair instead of coming up with an on the spot action to counter it

 

[~Twitch~]

aight I'll start going all jiggs to make josh happy.

:burst:

 

[TheLastCacely]

aight I'll start going all jiggs to make josh happy.

but i was doing this

 

[Dr Peepee]

You just need to keep studying and learning things situation by situation then until you have an answer to everything.

Playing stupid doesn't exist unless you're me and Yay playing friendlies and we're using low tiers(lmao). You can just be inexperienced or doubtful but you're only stupid if you give up or get angry and do the same thing over and over.

 

[AlcyoNite]

maaan i wanna play u all so badly

melee funsies are so fun

 

[Bl@ckChris]

this should be taken literally

seriously, if u all truly think u cant learn/think analytically for urself, then u simply wont

the most important thing is to really realize that you need to think analytically.

it took me way too long to realize i needed to. i just thought i needed to space my own moves and everything else would work from there.

ganon ain't quite THAT good.

but now i think fairly well. we should play soon theo, maybe at BAC?

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

I hope you guys are confident in the YLink match up.

 

[stingers]

with mewtwo? not a problem

 

[Bl@ckChris]

i have ideas of how it is thanks to you, smith.

now i'm pretty confident against that rhan guy whenever we play.

 

[Ocean]

i got wrecked by idea at apex, it hasnt sat well, i played subpar.
more like stupid, its odd cause i can read people and see where the ***** coming from, its just like, ohhh... he's gonna fair, and i eat a fair instead of coming up with an on the spot action to counter it

idea ***** though.

 

[Gardevior]

LOL you'll never get anywhere thinking that way.

Be positive and confident!

Man, I have a feeling I'll be requoting this post back at Kevin at some point.

 

[Ocean]

Man, I have a feeling I'll be requoting this post back at Kevin at some point.

kevin is actually a really confident player, he just doesn't flaunt it.

 

[Dr Peepee]

Not what he meant, but yes I finally found some confidence in myself.