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The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! (Updated 2/11/10!)

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Dr Peepee

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Sheik will mess up tech chases, and Foxes will mess up edgeguards and combos.

Good enough? Can we go back to facts now?

Edit: LOL Queen Killjoy attacked the MBR color.
 

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i think that color is ugly as **** but at least melee/brawl have different colors now

The facts say Fox has a superior approach and camp game, so I'm not sure why Shiek's superior grab game gives her the win. @.@

(Fox gimps at 0%, Shiek gimps easier. If we assume they're both just screwed if they go offstage this makes things easier :) )
 

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I really cant say. I guess that is just for me i dont have alot of problems fighting sheik. Although i know i have lost to topes sheik before but i beat him just as much as he has beaten me id say. Also ive beaten m2ks sheik as well. MY hardest matchups it seems is against marths or falcos lol
 
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Sheik can CC Fox's Nair to Dsmash or a tilt. This ***** Fox's staple approach for a looooong time. Resorting to Dair eventually allows Sheik to start Ftilting(which I'm pretty sure trades with Nair anyway), which beats Dair. Fox could work on Bairs, but he can't outspace Sheik that well before a dash attack gets under his retreat.

Sheik can needle camp Fox too. Sheik just has to make use of the favorable diagonal angle that platforms provide(ban FD unless you tope chase well as Sheik durrr) to control Fox's approach.

Even if we say Fox camps harder, he has to approach Sheik at least somewhat directly in order to go past her. Fox is in a corner camping his butt off, which makes gimping easier. The point? Camping vs Sheik is extremely difficult to the point of not trying it. Fox camps, so now he will try to use platforms to escape, correct? Good luck getting past Sheik's Bair/Uair. It's possible, but it requires lots of precision and trickery.

Fox combos Sheik hard, wooo. Sheik only needs a few good reads on a Dthrow before a dash attack either sets up an easy tech chase(from CC) or dash attack/tilt to death combos. Needles and a few Dthrows/other hits push fox to a percent this works at fairly easily.

Fox rarely 0-deaths Sheik by the way. Sheik can get out of most of Fox's combos. Just go to the edge(gasp). By the way, Sheik has shino stall to recover effectively, and edgeguards Fox about as well as Fox edgeguards her. The difference? Sheik can get onstage vs Fox and reverse the situation way easier than Fox can do the same to Sheik. Sheik is like Marth in that a good dash dance by the edge game can spell doom for a spacie that slips up even a little bit, but this can also just happen due to a well timed edgehop WL to Bthrow.
-you can't CC the a fox nair, dair or bair because the fox will always shine before the sheiks move can come out (it has a 1 frame startup time right?) Plus low % down tilts are stupid anyways... the same for dsmash but only not so much because there's a chance the fox won't tech (if he does, it's a free hit or grab on sheik... at low %'s again)

-if you try to ftilt a fox approaching with nair, then you'll either lose out or trade hits. Neither as good for sheik because you take more damage from the nair than fox did from the ftilt, and he recovers faster. If fox is high % and you trade hits, sheik won't have enough time to finish the combo.

-trying to camp with needles isn't going to work if the fox is smart... he'll just start far enough away and ramp you back... and ACTUALLY tack on some % with lasers. Needles are only good for controlling the bottom platform on a stage for a limited space in the middle, but if you're camping the sheik into approaching you, that is worthless is worthless.

-the only thing sheik has in favor over fox is edgegaurding, and only slightly. Sheik has more options to try and gimp fox, but an experienced fox can avoid them a lot of the time. Sheiks up b is good if she can sweet spot the ledge... if not, her recovery time on landing on the stage is ****ing LONG. It's an easy up smash, grab-> up air, back air, or downsmash for the fox. So the answer to sheiks up-b is just edgehog and dont get up until you know her trajectory isnt the edge.

-Sheik is the PERFECT weight for fox's combos to work. She slides just far enough away from a shine to get grabed->upthrow->upaired, upsmashed or shined again (if you waveshine correctly) automatically. There's no escaping those combos unless the fox gets greedy or just ****s up. He has more options and a **** ton more "a-b-c combos" that work. Sheiks game relies on her ability to read the opponent.... which is a much harder task than just outpressuring the opponent like fox has to do. When fox gets dthrown, he has options, and the sheik has to react to them at almost the same time the fox makes them, in order to capitalize on the before the fox can re-react. A lot harder to do than just Nair shine nair shine nair shine.
 

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Also you can grab upthrow up air sheik at least a couple of times also you can shine combo sheik to for easy kills. You can beat sheiks easier if you learn to DI those tilts and good spacing from grabs i think

Why would you want me to beat it lol

Besides ive never fought a falco as good as yours so ive got some learning to do
 

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Wow the panties must really be in a bundle this evening. You basically wouldn't except anyone expressing their opinions if they differed from yours, even if they weren't trying to argue with you lol. Thats why I made that harmless comment.
 

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I couldn't tell if you were serious or not. There was no emoticon after your sentence to tell me otherwise. But whatever it's not like I'll argue unless I have to now anyways.


@Adam: Chops' Falco did well vs you too. Anyway, you need to beat my Falco so I can go back to being the underdog(among other things). Everyone wants me to lose too much lol.
 

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Anyway, you need to beat my Falco so I can go back to being the underdog(among other things). Everyone wants me to lose too much lol.
I might have another quote for my sig...lol
 
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I couldn't tell if you were serious or not. There was no emoticon after your sentence to tell me otherwise. But whatever it's not like I'll argue unless I have to now anyways.


@Adam: Chops' Falco did well vs you too. Anyway, you need to beat my Falco so I can go back to being the underdog(among other things). Everyone wants me to lose too much lol.
what about me. respond to me plz.
 

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I guess its cause im such a bro they want me to win LOL. I love all of nc smash and the support yet until i get my game together you on top you deserve it.
 

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at some random billfest i was with jim and we played lozr's team in teams...

well it came down to just me vs. lozr, 1 stock each, shiek vs. fox on fd...

i dont think i hit him once...i felt so bad

it was brutal
 

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Haha thx guys.

Sky pidgeon ftw.

Edit me and stingers go way back. Like when dr neo played alot more and when munkaids were the only tourneys going on lol
 

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fox and falco are the reasons why people quit sheik.
indeed. shiek has the best overall matchups by far, there is no reason why she wouldn't be dominant if she went even with the currently accepted best char in the game. especially considering her low learning curve.

lozr i used to get you and tloz confused just cuz your names were so similar...and man...i miss chocolate thunder...he was so ****ing funny
 

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He is still alive somewhere lol. Ya tloz and lozr are about the same. Only difference is he is way taller than me and plays a mans character lol
 

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get thunda back :(

also...whatever happened to brownguy...he was the bro that created the name "the kids" when we couldn't think of a team name...so he should be like a legend or something
 

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Yeah man that guy was too cool. I remember some epic matches between falter falco or omnislash w/e you want to call him and brownguy. Im still friends with both neo and omnislash we just play halo online lol

LOL @ how he used to piss everybody off at tourneys
 

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i dont remember falter falco/omnislash at all...jim probably knows him...jim was the dude that would tell me peoples names cuz i sucked at remembering them...its the opposite now lol

i hate how everyone quit when brawl came out...they just got too old i guess
 
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I used to **** falter and talk **** to him during the matches.

I even looked away from the screen to talk **** to his face when I would be ****** him.

Ah good times...

Also; brownguy quit when brawl came out, got married, and barely ever talks to me anymore. Sad sad story... he does talk to me when he has something having to do with poker is involved sometimes though.
 
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**** those crew battles were intense, but the ones I liked best was east VS west.

THATS **** was intense. like 7 on 7 or some **** all of us yelling so loud and stacking it up so hard.

BUCK BUCK BIG BAAAAABY
 

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*just read like the last 5 pages*

i think pp made a ton of good points in his post. i don't know very much about the advanced matchups within smash, and being a ganon main at present, the sheik fox matchup doesn't mean all that much to me, but i did notice the 1 vs 100 effort that the good dr just put on, and i respect that.

edit: pp that color does look like crap. purple was a good look for you, bro.
 

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Boss Hog made a good argument. I would respond but everyone just gets personal about simple matchup discussions.

Lol I still want the purple. It got taken from me. XD
 

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actually, its because you're lucas hart portnoy...

i didn't look that up...

i wonder why i know your whole name but not my little sisters...
 
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