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The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! (Updated 2/11/10!)
- Thread starter Dr Peepee
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Thinking about it.
I really wanna see you.
I really wanna see you.
DJRome
Smash Hero
lol im in dis discussion. crystalnite didn't make it out of pool at herb 2 because he 2-1 me instead of 2-0 lulz
DJRome
Smash Hero
on day, ur gonna spell it liang and it's going to be correct lol oh yeah audi may go to billfest sat and prove nothing lol
DJRome
Smash Hero
everytime i play crystalnite, foxy, and karn, i lose 1-2 i hate fox
stingers
Smash Obsessed
djrome, maybe you should play someone that isnt shiek against fox...
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Gotem City Vigilante
yeah like Ganon.
lol
lol
Sheik vs Fox is entirely winnable....and even.
You should ask the Sheik boards for help or read up on the matchup/watch some decent Sheik videos(no clue if sheik vs fox *recent* is up anywhere though).
You should ask the Sheik boards for help or read up on the matchup/watch some decent Sheik videos(no clue if sheik vs fox *recent* is up anywhere though).
stingers
Smash Obsessed
shiek vs fox is definitely in foxes favor...unless the shiek is on adderall...either way its easier for fox to land a shine then it is for sheik to get a grab...tbh
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Gotem City Vigilante
Watch some Tope vs Cyrain matches, maybe that'll help some..
*says the non-Sheik player*
*says the non-Sheik player*
Lol Stongers I honestly wish those posts were trolls sometimes.
DJRome
Smash Hero
i just watched that today lol idk, for some reason cyrain isn't as agg vs tope as the foxes here vs me. and i just can't keep up w/fox speed
shut up pp i don't have nimble fingers like you
shut up pp i don't have nimble fingers like you
stingers
Smash Obsessed
sheik gimps easier
sheik has mad gay techchases
what else?
fox outcamps
fox has waveshine
fox has more kill power
fox has much stronger approaches
sheik has mad gay techchases
what else?
fox outcamps
fox has waveshine
fox has more kill power
fox has much stronger approaches
Foxy
Smash Master
fox vs sheik is really scary
sheik is mad gay.
it's definitely even
sheik is mad gay.
it's definitely even
DJRome
Smash Hero
see, those usually come from grabs. for every grab opportunity not from a grab, there are about 3-4 shines. not good. but i'm working on falco so maybe that can get decent enough to fight foxes though i doubt it since my tech skill is ****e
edit:i agree it's even. I just think it's harder for me
edit:i agree it's even. I just think it's harder for me
Be glad Crystalnite went Fox. I hate his Marth.... But then again. I hate all Marth's.
His Fox is the easiest to take on though. I play Samus/Young Link vs that. His Sheik's a little better than mine. We Sheik ditto all the time and it goes back and forth from time to time.
Edit: Sorry Theo. It's just my opinion.
DJRome
Smash Hero
lol i got that marth easy
Sheik can CC Fox's Nair to Dsmash or a tilt. This ***** Fox's staple approach for a looooong time. Resorting to Dair eventually allows Sheik to start Ftilting(which I'm pretty sure trades with Nair anyway), which beats Dair. Fox could work on Bairs, but he can't outspace Sheik that well before a dash attack gets under his retreat.
Sheik can needle camp Fox too. Sheik just has to make use of the favorable diagonal angle that platforms provide(ban FD unless you tope chase well as Sheik durrr) to control Fox's approach.
Even if we say Fox camps harder, he has to approach Sheik at least somewhat directly in order to go past her. Fox is in a corner camping his butt off, which makes gimping easier. The point? Camping vs Sheik is extremely difficult to the point of not trying it. Fox camps, so now he will try to use platforms to escape, correct? Good luck getting past Sheik's Bair/Uair. It's possible, but it requires lots of precision and trickery.
Fox combos Sheik hard, wooo. Sheik only needs a few good reads on a Dthrow before a dash attack either sets up an easy tech chase(from CC) or dash attack/tilt to death combos. Needles and a few Dthrows/other hits push fox to a percent this works at fairly easily.
Fox rarely 0-deaths Sheik by the way. Sheik can get out of most of Fox's combos. Just go to the edge(gasp). By the way, Sheik has shino stall to recover effectively, and edgeguards Fox about as well as Fox edgeguards her. The difference? Sheik can get onstage vs Fox and reverse the situation way easier than Fox can do the same to Sheik. Sheik is like Marth in that a good dash dance by the edge game can spell doom for a spacie that slips up even a little bit, but this can also just happen due to a well timed edgehop WL to Bthrow.
Sheik can needle camp Fox too. Sheik just has to make use of the favorable diagonal angle that platforms provide(ban FD unless you tope chase well as Sheik durrr) to control Fox's approach.
Even if we say Fox camps harder, he has to approach Sheik at least somewhat directly in order to go past her. Fox is in a corner camping his butt off, which makes gimping easier. The point? Camping vs Sheik is extremely difficult to the point of not trying it. Fox camps, so now he will try to use platforms to escape, correct? Good luck getting past Sheik's Bair/Uair. It's possible, but it requires lots of precision and trickery.
Fox combos Sheik hard, wooo. Sheik only needs a few good reads on a Dthrow before a dash attack either sets up an easy tech chase(from CC) or dash attack/tilt to death combos. Needles and a few Dthrows/other hits push fox to a percent this works at fairly easily.
Fox rarely 0-deaths Sheik by the way. Sheik can get out of most of Fox's combos. Just go to the edge(gasp). By the way, Sheik has shino stall to recover effectively, and edgeguards Fox about as well as Fox edgeguards her. The difference? Sheik can get onstage vs Fox and reverse the situation way easier than Fox can do the same to Sheik. Sheik is like Marth in that a good dash dance by the edge game can spell doom for a spacie that slips up even a little bit, but this can also just happen due to a well timed edgehop WL to Bthrow.
Foxy
Smash Master
Peepee is absolutely spot-on.
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
no, fox > sheik.
DJRome
Smash Hero
im pretty sure i suck at needles is the root of this fox problem. i need to learn this skill
Mind explaining it to me, Boss Hog?
mr.fizwidget
Smash Champion
i think fox>shiek too
but im njot gonna argue...
luling too hard
but im njot gonna argue...
luling too hard
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Gotem City Vigilante
I think Fox has a very slight edge on Sheik overall, but everything PP said is legit.
I'd really like to know why you guys think it's slightly in Fox's favor. I'm serious.
Foxy
Smash Master
fox is hell to play against sheik.
DJRome
Smash Hero
Well, from my perspective, a shine can ruin any combo that isn't near perfect. also, sheik has very few options besides gimps on large stages
Large stages allow for camping and a slightly more involved tech chase.
I dunno what kind of Sheik combos you're trying to do.
I dunno what kind of Sheik combos you're trying to do.
DJRome
Smash Hero
lol, i need to play more fox is all. i am low level exp
Foxy
Smash Master
sheik's combos are way too easy on fox...
apart from inventive aerial chasing with fox, there's really no combos other than uthrow to one attack, and your waveshine.
apart from inventive aerial chasing with fox, there's really no combos other than uthrow to one attack, and your waveshine.
OmniOstrich
Smash Lord
Too good, PP posts this nice organized analysis of the flow of the matches and everyone is just like 'my opinion says otherwise.'
No one brings up new information or counterpoints other than their vague sense of personal experience.
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Gotem City Vigilante
What has me sold is Fox's nair approach and that upsmash. Sure ftilt can trade hits with Fox's nair but on average Sheik's moves have a bit more cooldown time than Fox's, so he can play a better bait and punish game if need be. It's just my opinion.
Worthless post Omni. Good job.
DJRome
Smash Hero
pp play fox vs me and tell me what's up
Ace: I covered Nair fairly early on in my long post. I guess you didn't read it....
Sheik can CC the Nair and Dsmash, which hurts Fox way worse than it hurts Sheik.
DJ: Aight
Sheik can CC the Nair and Dsmash, which hurts Fox way worse than it hurts Sheik.
DJ: Aight
stingers
Smash Obsessed
Shiek can CC the Nair and Dsmash, Shiek can perfectly techchase Fox until he goes towards the ledge and throw him offstage for a perfect gimp, Shiek can shoot needles in the air and know whether it's safe to approach or retreat with 100% certainty every time, good points.
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Gotem City Vigilante
No, I read it PP. When you say "a looooooooong time" what percent are you referring to exactly?
You can space the nair so that you're not landing directly in front of Sheik anyway.
I said it was just my opinion, but I guess now that you have the purple name you feel the need to set everyone straight lol
You can space the nair so that you're not landing directly in front of Sheik anyway.
I said it was just my opinion, but I guess now that you have the purple name you feel the need to set everyone straight lol
Yeah, and if the Sheik is good then that will come close to happening. Good exaggeration of my points dawg. Why discuss matchups if I don't assume a character can do anything right the majority of the time?
Edit: Yeah Ace. I'm basically a power hungry fiend. Please strike me down before I do any more harm.
I think I've seen CC to Dsmash around 70%, but it might even be a little higher than that.
Sheik can also punish Fox for landing in front of her by DD grabbing/Tilting his landing spot. WD OOS Ftilt would be a nice trick.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
If you assume that the characters will be playing near-optimally, I don't know why Fox doesn't win with his near-perfect laser camping and near-optimal shine gimps @.@
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