Foxy
Smash Master
yup.
but thanks for being so cool anyways.
but thanks for being so cool anyways.
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The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! (Updated 2/11/10!)
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Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
anyone else find this funny? lollll
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Gotem City Vigilante
Lol stack that sh*t up
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
All day EVERY day.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
I just think Dave agreed to it because it was HIGHrule Temple.
btw Peach vs Falcon is totally in Peach's favor
btw Peach vs Falcon is totally in Peach's favor
Falco is never going above Marth.
Foxy
Smash Master
That's reasonable.
I don't see how Marth could be above Fox, however - just because he has a zero-death doesn't make up for how little he has compared to Fox's potential.
I don't see how Marth could be above Fox, however - just because he has a zero-death doesn't make up for how little he has compared to Fox's potential.
It's just because Marth has been the big tourney winner more often than other characters that they're tied right now.
It terms of potential (which the tier list isn't entirely weighted on), Fox obviously wins out there.
It terms of potential (which the tier list isn't entirely weighted on), Fox obviously wins out there.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
all a top player really needs is fox and marth...
fox for shiek, marth for everything else XD
edit: potential means ****, me and PP were talking about this before and apparently Bowser is unbeatable at max "potential" along with Fox so potential factors in very little
fox for shiek, marth for everything else XD
edit: potential means ****, me and PP were talking about this before and apparently Bowser is unbeatable at max "potential" along with Fox so potential factors in very little
Foxy
Smash Master
i thought it was fox/sheik?
sheik is the matchup king.
sheik is the matchup king.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
shiek loses to fox and falco...maybe falcon? but she beats marth and peach and jiggs.
edit: well, shiek beats falco if she plays really gay. but still loses to fox, yeah.
edit: well, shiek beats falco if she plays really gay. but still loses to fox, yeah.
lord karn
Smash Master
Sheik ***** falcon so hard. . .
Sheik vs Fox and Falco is evenish now.
I have no clue what Sheik vs Jiggz is like...
I have no clue what Sheik vs Jiggz is like...
stingers
Smash Obsessed
well i have trouble with jims falcon. i guess i just suck at it
shiek vs. jiggs is def in shieks favor...imo. ftilt stops all approaches...like almost seriously <_<
shiek vs. jiggs is def in shieks favor...imo. ftilt stops all approaches...like almost seriously <_<
Pyrostormer
Smash Lord
Sheik vs. Jiggs seems like a wierd matchup. Its hard to tell who would win.
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
sheik > falcon, falco, marth, peach
fox > sheik, falco, peach, falcon
falco > falcon, peach
marth > falcon, falco, fox, peach
jiggs > falcon, falco, fox, peach, sheik, and = marth
jiggs is too good
fox > sheik, falco, peach, falcon
falco > falcon, peach
marth > falcon, falco, fox, peach
jiggs > falcon, falco, fox, peach, sheik, and = marth
jiggs is too good
Is all of that serious, Boss Hog?
I'm guessing at least the Jiggz one isn't. =p
I'm guessing at least the Jiggz one isn't. =p
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
yeah dude it's all serious. Jiggs has such easy **** VS all those characters.
fox may be even with jiggs though.
fox may be even with jiggs though.
It's arguable about Sheik>Falco, I'll leave that alone.
Fox=Falco though. That matchup is way too even. Fox shine spikes kill early and he has a great tech chase game on Falco and can run around Falco's stuff some, but Falco has great stage control and his combos on Fox can lead to kills nearly as quick as Fox's. Falco at the very least has an almost guaranteed 40%~ on Fox from just a shine.
Falco > Peach? She can float over his lasers and make it certain that he can't recover. She can CG him, and she can get out of his combos by just being floaty.
Marth vs Falco could be a little in Marth's favor, ok, but Marth and Fox have got to be even at the worst for Fox. Fox can get the good ol shine spikes at low percents, can Uthrow Uair combo, can take advantage of Marth's weakness from below and Fox can get around Marth's spacing due to his speed alone. Of course, all it takes is one screw up from Fox and Marth can grab combo him horribly, but Fox can return the **** and he has the attributes to keep pressure on Marth, which can force marth into making more mistakes.
Falcon is frequently used to counter Jiggz. Falcon has the speed, the throw combos, and the power to KO Jiggz quickly if played appropriately.
The worst one here is Jiggz > Fox. Fox ***** Jigglypuff still. Fox can just laser camp until Jiggz is above 50% and Uthrow Uair on some stages and begin searching for the Usmash on others. Obviously Jiggz has Uthrow rest, but Foxs these days are better and better at avoiding that. Jiggz still has a good edge game vs Fox, but Fox won't be approaching Jiggz too much, and especially on the edge, unless he has camped Jiggz to a fairly high percentage already.
Don't know a thing about Jiggz vs Peach or Sheik.
I'm not sure about Jiggz vs Marth these days. No comment on that.
Fox=Falco though. That matchup is way too even. Fox shine spikes kill early and he has a great tech chase game on Falco and can run around Falco's stuff some, but Falco has great stage control and his combos on Fox can lead to kills nearly as quick as Fox's. Falco at the very least has an almost guaranteed 40%~ on Fox from just a shine.
Falco > Peach? She can float over his lasers and make it certain that he can't recover. She can CG him, and she can get out of his combos by just being floaty.
Marth vs Falco could be a little in Marth's favor, ok, but Marth and Fox have got to be even at the worst for Fox. Fox can get the good ol shine spikes at low percents, can Uthrow Uair combo, can take advantage of Marth's weakness from below and Fox can get around Marth's spacing due to his speed alone. Of course, all it takes is one screw up from Fox and Marth can grab combo him horribly, but Fox can return the **** and he has the attributes to keep pressure on Marth, which can force marth into making more mistakes.
Falcon is frequently used to counter Jiggz. Falcon has the speed, the throw combos, and the power to KO Jiggz quickly if played appropriately.
The worst one here is Jiggz > Fox. Fox ***** Jigglypuff still. Fox can just laser camp until Jiggz is above 50% and Uthrow Uair on some stages and begin searching for the Usmash on others. Obviously Jiggz has Uthrow rest, but Foxs these days are better and better at avoiding that. Jiggz still has a good edge game vs Fox, but Fox won't be approaching Jiggz too much, and especially on the edge, unless he has camped Jiggz to a fairly high percentage already.
Don't know a thing about Jiggz vs Peach or Sheik.
I'm not sure about Jiggz vs Marth these days. No comment on that.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
jiggs vs peach is the gayest matchup in the game
it's like playing brawl
it's like playing brawl
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
foxes jump out of shield speed is like 1/2 that of falco. If falco jumps into fox's shield with an aerial, the fox can time to jump out of the shield and shine before falco can. Then fox has like all his uthrow combos, up throw chain grab, up throw -> up smash -> another up smash or grab or ****ing anything. Thats more than "40%" from a falco shine combo, and easier to get.
LOL yeah it's easy to float over falcos lasers... if the falco just does SHL the whole time... which after a falco notices he's not hitting with, he'll time them from full jumps. Falcos lasers almost completely stop peach. She has no apprach... it's hard for her to get turnips and he jump is so slow she can't just jump over the lasers.
Is this the reasons why you see foxes beat m2k?
People don't pick falcon to counter jiggs, they pick falcon to boost their MANpower to try and somehow pull out a victory. The only thing falcon has on jiggs is a higher % dthrow the knee combo. Jiggs has everything else.
You're giving the fox player the benefit of the doubt, but not the jiggs player. It's easy to DI fox's up throw... even easier than it is to DI jiggleys. Jiggs has any tech chase to rest for a kill at or above 20%. 0% if they DI wrong. Jiggs can punish any missed tech, wrong tech, or any other screw up WAY better than fox can... because jigglez can cover more area at a time while still being safe through the WOP.
stack it up
Foxy
Smash Master
Fox played perfectly would have a huge advantage, but at reasonable play levels they are somewhat even, depending on playstyles. Falco can really get off on Fox, and he can KO into a combo certainly sometimes before Fox could gimp him.
Jiggs gets anally ***** by Fox, real hard. Fox is definitely a CP for Jiggs.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Me thinks Falcon and Martha are really close to even, depending on the stage
Pyrostormer
Smash Lord
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
Proof that I'm right. Foxy disagrees.
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Gotem City Vigilante
Fox beats puff...
Foxy
Smash Master
It would be nice if you didn't have issues with me before you've even met me, lulzerz
$5 mm?
Of course Fox can jump OOS and do that, but it doesn't matter since Falco doesn't pressure that way anymore. He either retreating aerials or holds his jump so he can catch Fox with a shine regardless.
Falco still has great tech chase options, and that's not necessarily more than 40% if Falco DIs appropriately, which he will in higher level play.
Thing is, in higher level play, Falco will be controlling Fox much better due to appropriate laser game and shield pressure control. Fox might have better combos from say 0, but the damage ratios even out as the percents increase, as Falco can work in Uthrow follow ups and has quite a few combos from Utilt he can use.
Btw, how is a grab easier to get than a shine in a match where Falco will be controlling Fox's normally spastic movement? The matchup is so close because Falco can get his hits in more often and control the stage better, but if he loses control then Fox will screw him over (mostly).
Falco loses his best pressure game when he loses his SHL though. The fact that he has to FJ gives Peach a large time frame to float on over to Falco and Nair/Fair/maybe Uair him out of his jump so she can get inside.
She can float over lasers, which lets her practically walk up to him and grab him or space him.
How is Falco going to get around Peach when she floats over his SHL, catches up to him quickly from his FJ laser, and can space him well+CG+Dsmash+edgeguard?
Ahhh, the old M2K argument. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ4OFEt2nq4
SCC. Big tournament. M2K lost the set. Btw that's a bad argument, as we should just be sticking with knowledge of the matchup and character attributes instead of bringing players into it.
Funny, but it really doesn't argue against what I said. Falcon can get around Jiggz slow aerial movement with his running and fall speed, as well as his fast Nair and Uair speed to start combos up (yes, Jiggz can be comboed). Jiggz dies early due to throw/Uair combos (they can work, and not on scrubs, on good players). Jiggz has a good edge game on Falcon, but Falcon just kills earlier, much earlier to even things out. DD camping is a great disorientation tool that can score spotdodges or rolls for stomp set ups/throw set ups, or knee kills.
Jiggz has to grab Fox first. Fox should be running away camping his butt off to keep that from happening while he racks easy, safe damage. If he doesn't play campy for some reason, WOP doesn't stop that. Fox, like Falcon, has the running speed and insane fall speed to get around Jiggz' slow aerial movements.
Fox only needs to camp til he shines to tech chase anyway. Usmash is all of a tech chase he really needs. Jiggz slow speed also keeps her from getting crucial tech chase rests when she needs them, which reduces opportunities to beat Fox.
Stack it up.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
falcon is used to counter jiggs bc of his speed and the speed his moves come out at.....
fox>jiggly
fox>all
ratios>boss hog
boss hog=troll
Dorsey>trolls
fox>jiggly
fox>all
ratios>boss hog
boss hog=troll
Dorsey>trolls
Forgive me if I'm wrong on this, but do we not judge matchups based on info like this? On tournament results? People who play their characters to the utmost, we judge matchups based on THEIR performance, right? I mean, we wouldn't have the tier listings, nor these match up arguments without this info the top players have provided via their play results. I think. Remember Chudat showing everyone that the ICs do have major potential, when everyone thought otherwise. Although, at this point, it does seem pointless, but whatever.
my 2cents. Don't start bashin' me, now. :embarrass
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
FINALLLYYYY somebody gets it lol
*P*L*U*R*
Smash Hero
All of this makes my head hurt... >_<
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Gotem City Vigilante
so about dem rankins.. I plan on movin up like foxy's pp when he sees the lingerie section of Sears catalog
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
Buuuurrrnnnn
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Smash Hero
oooooooohhh!
Lol Boss Hog. I'm still too nooby it seems.
I'm gonna talk to Karn about updates this weekend sometime, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be after Rawfuls'.
I'm gonna talk to Karn about updates this weekend sometime, but that doesn't necessarily mean it'll be after Rawfuls'.
Boss Hog (stack it up)
Smash Ace
stack it up.
Foxy
Smash Master
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Foxy called Ace dad. That's creepy.
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