dr.neo
Smash Champion
You could use Doctor mario!
Wow well said DJ
Wow well said DJ
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The North Carolina Melee Power Rankings! (Updated 2/11/10!)
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Doc is a Mario I'm worse at.
Colbol mains Fox(and is amazing) and plays Hbox a lot. Mango just happens to be the best player in the world. I second Fox and have learned little real advanced play with him.
This is THE LAST time we're having this discussion. Falco is the only character I have a shot with(for better or worse...) and if I can't do it with him.....then I will never be the best. Simple as that.
Colbol mains Fox(and is amazing) and plays Hbox a lot. Mango just happens to be the best player in the world. I second Fox and have learned little real advanced play with him.
This is THE LAST time we're having this discussion. Falco is the only character I have a shot with(for better or worse...) and if I can't do it with him.....then I will never be the best. Simple as that.
dr.neo
Smash Champion
Dont worry Pp, I'll train you to use doc.
LOL it's kinda late for that. =p
dr.neo
Smash Champion
PP if you dont start becoming more positive right now I'm not going to teach you any of my secret doc techniques. Also I'm making shirts for herb.
I already wanted to cape him. =p
Yay shirts lol.
Yay shirts lol.
dr.neo
Smash Champion
I'm making no johns shirts. They are going to be awesome. And how did you know about the cape!?
Sounds ****.
And lucky guess? XD
Edit: last HLS Fox day.
And lucky guess? XD
Edit: last HLS Fox day.
lord karn
Smash Master
I'll get my post in sometime. Right now I'm at the brotector's house, though.
~Twitch~
Smash Master
i'm cool with it, in fact, the more time smashing the better.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
k so for today and tomorrow I'm taking melee super serious
:embarrass
sorry pp, the first NC tournament you lose in years will be tomorrow. no munkaid doesn't count
:embarrass
sorry pp, the first NC tournament you lose in years will be tomorrow. no munkaid doesn't count
@Karn: Aight
@Twitch: aight
@Raggy: Kills are stupidly hard to set up. You have to land a chance Bair or get a Dair to Dair that Puff somehow doesn't smash DI into the stage for. Fsmashes are extremely difficult to land and aren't even safe when spaced on shield. Dtilt is somewhat possible, especially when CC'ing, but at higher %s that option is mostly gone. Laser Dtilt is another okay option, but the spacing gets crazy as Jiggz is conditioned to this. Uthrow to Bair gave me some good results sometimes, but Falco's slow running speed really hinders him from getting those grabs, and Puff can DI the lasers up and be okay I think.
What I'm saying is, if there's a fast way to do it, then I don't know what it is.
@Twitch again: You didn't smash with me at all yesterday though!!!!!
@Stongers: Legit.
And LOL get ***** me.
@Twitch: aight
@Raggy: Kills are stupidly hard to set up. You have to land a chance Bair or get a Dair to Dair that Puff somehow doesn't smash DI into the stage for. Fsmashes are extremely difficult to land and aren't even safe when spaced on shield. Dtilt is somewhat possible, especially when CC'ing, but at higher %s that option is mostly gone. Laser Dtilt is another okay option, but the spacing gets crazy as Jiggz is conditioned to this. Uthrow to Bair gave me some good results sometimes, but Falco's slow running speed really hinders him from getting those grabs, and Puff can DI the lasers up and be okay I think.
What I'm saying is, if there's a fast way to do it, then I don't know what it is.
@Twitch again: You didn't smash with me at all yesterday though!!!!!
@Stongers: Legit.
And LOL get ***** me.
Dair Dtilt doesn't work at killing %s unless they would try to CC it....but it might not work then.
Usmash has some situational uses, and I plan on using it some more. I can't really rely on the move though.
Usmash has some situational uses, and I plan on using it some more. I can't really rely on the move though.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
i don't think pp's primary focus, or problem, is getting KOs. I think he plays the match-up very well.. but jiggs pays back mistakes tenfold.. and it's even more tough to avoid the smallest mistakes against someone like box who is very proficient at punishing them, which is why I think pp plays the match-up purty dern good even though he hasn't come up with a win yet. Hopefully he won't miss anymore DI off an uthrow though
@Raggy: If I get Dairs on Puff at all then I try to capitalize hard like that. The only move I consistently hit with is Bair though.....
@Dorsey: I can't really john about the matchup until I play Hbox one more time. If I know this thing inside and out but still lose, then I'll start to wonder if it's me or just my character(lol inb4 crying about broken Falco's one possible bad matchup).
About that DI.....I hold it sometimes and I just go straight up....it's ********. Ughhhhhhhhh
@Dorsey: I can't really john about the matchup until I play Hbox one more time. If I know this thing inside and out but still lose, then I'll start to wonder if it's me or just my character(lol inb4 crying about broken Falco's one possible bad matchup).
About that DI.....I hold it sometimes and I just go straight up....it's ********. Ughhhhhhhhh
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
well, it's not exactly match-up johns. Just some key, miniscule screw-ups of yours that in turn have a huge consequence FROM the match-up. I was just saying that practicing to prevent it has got to be pretty tough. I think I've already said this, but it makes me cringe when I see you owning the match-up then uthrow + no DI or you're forced to firebird off-stage from the smallest mistake(one time I *think* you could have airdodged initially to have a better chance of survival....but making that call = tough as well)
I feel like a scrub when it happens, believe me. I guess I'll just toy around with it with Twitch one day or something and make sure I can get out of it every time.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
why don't you just take some brawl tips and time him out?
I'm not that good at avoiding that stupid Bair, and Falco is too slow.
I'm gonna assume you're not talking about Falco though, in which case the discussion on that has been closed.
I'm gonna assume you're not talking about Falco though, in which case the discussion on that has been closed.
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
lol i bet you do but that wasn't the intent of my post. I couldn't do any better.. Just my take on it. I think you've made so much progress in the match-up as it is that you'll have no prob. overcoming those few things eventually.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
you're so stubborn -,-
@Dorsey: I hope so.
@Stongers: I JUST explained to you why it was a terrible idea. Why do you think I even need to switch(if anyone is wondering why this discussion is still going on, look at where we are)?
@Stongers: I JUST explained to you why it was a terrible idea. Why do you think I even need to switch(if anyone is wondering why this discussion is still going on, look at where we are)?
stingers
Smash Obsessed
because you're like 0-5 against him? there's a certain point where you just have to admit your characters limitations
Since we're playing THAT game....
TO4 made me realize I don't know what to do vs puff. I could've mained anyone and gotten ***** then.
HERB 2 I didn't really understand the matchup but I had just gotten better in general.
TO5 I actually did WORSE against him, clearly showing that I wasn't learning anything.
RoM2 WFs he adapted to me after game 1. I had a few good tricks but I didn't quite understand Hbox/Puff enough.
RoM2 GFs he knew me inside and out. So much so that he goofed off and let me win a match. I knew little about him because I didn't know exactly what to look for but became good at watching Puff and reacting to her movements, as well as comboing her sometimes and fishing for the Bair kills.
All that's left is to work on mixing up my approaches and reading him better. The BEST thing I could do would be to know when I have him under pressure in his shield. I'm afraid of puff in her shield and that's when I need to be punishing. Probably a matchbreaker imo.
Edit: what I'm getting at is that I don't think I should worry about losing until I know the matchup as well as he does.
TO4 made me realize I don't know what to do vs puff. I could've mained anyone and gotten ***** then.
HERB 2 I didn't really understand the matchup but I had just gotten better in general.
TO5 I actually did WORSE against him, clearly showing that I wasn't learning anything.
RoM2 WFs he adapted to me after game 1. I had a few good tricks but I didn't quite understand Hbox/Puff enough.
RoM2 GFs he knew me inside and out. So much so that he goofed off and let me win a match. I knew little about him because I didn't know exactly what to look for but became good at watching Puff and reacting to her movements, as well as comboing her sometimes and fishing for the Bair kills.
All that's left is to work on mixing up my approaches and reading him better. The BEST thing I could do would be to know when I have him under pressure in his shield. I'm afraid of puff in her shield and that's when I need to be punishing. Probably a matchbreaker imo.
Edit: what I'm getting at is that I don't think I should worry about losing until I know the matchup as well as he does.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
alright good luck
hope you don't end up 0-13 and still trying falco lol
hope you don't end up 0-13 and still trying falco lol
I'm not going to worry about this until I know the matchup really well(or better at least). If I get to the point where I could write a decent Falco guide vs Puff and still lose to Hbox consistently, then I'm going to seriously consider my alternatives.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
pp you have the right mindset. i thoroughly approve.
and i think you need to laser more vs ganon. i watched your matches vs kage, and you weren't using laser techniques all that well from what i can see. he was able to go straight to top platform waveland and drop through as an approach. i feel that lasers should stop a ganon somewhere in that process. all things considered, you did 3-0 him, so i guess it's not something you need to particularly work on...
its just a shame that NC doesn't have many jiggs's to practice on. but you'll get the matchup.
and i think you need to laser more vs ganon. i watched your matches vs kage, and you weren't using laser techniques all that well from what i can see. he was able to go straight to top platform waveland and drop through as an approach. i feel that lasers should stop a ganon somewhere in that process. all things considered, you did 3-0 him, so i guess it's not something you need to particularly work on...
its just a shame that NC doesn't have many jiggs's to practice on. but you'll get the matchup.
I have this thing I've been thinking about Puffs. They're either amazing or bad. I don't think I've heard of a middle-of-the-road puff player. Unless NC gets an amazing Puff, then I have to work with Twitch's gay Puff and whatever works in my head.
About Kage/lasers: Yeah I was overly confident when I played him, which was pretty dumb since I was basing it on 3 tournament sets back in January LOL. I have this problem about confidence vs Ganon(except vs that pasta one) and Falcon that makes me not play smart. It's not like I combo well so I can't really pull it off LOL.
About those fallthrough aerials....LOL I fell for them so much. They aren't particularly hard to get around if you notice it but I was almost ignoring it I was being so dumb haha.
About Kage/lasers: Yeah I was overly confident when I played him, which was pretty dumb since I was basing it on 3 tournament sets back in January LOL. I have this problem about confidence vs Ganon(except vs that pasta one) and Falcon that makes me not play smart. It's not like I combo well so I can't really pull it off LOL.
About those fallthrough aerials....LOL I fell for them so much. They aren't particularly hard to get around if you notice it but I was almost ignoring it I was being so dumb haha.
stingers
Smash Obsessed
i'll go puff on you at grand finals tomorrow
~Twitch~
Smash Master
just don't go puff against me. -.-
stingers
Smash Obsessed
lol dont worry I'll go ganon and samus
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
me and slasher were talking about that same puff thing. theres not really such a thing as an average puff it seems.
and yeah, theyre not hard to avoid; slasher almost never gets hit by them. with his new laser stuff, the only way i really get hits is to use shield DI during shine pressure and grab him, or maybe double jump fair if he somehow gets bad laser spacing. and maybe quick uairs oos during pressure...
i hate that matchup though...
and yeah, theyre not hard to avoid; slasher almost never gets hit by them. with his new laser stuff, the only way i really get hits is to use shield DI during shine pressure and grab him, or maybe double jump fair if he somehow gets bad laser spacing. and maybe quick uairs oos during pressure...
i hate that matchup though...
Just watch L-pasta videos. He's amazing at countering Falco's approaches.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
i see them, but it doesn't make sense. he just jumps and the lasers just miss. i'm sure its not that simple, cause whenever i try to jump i just get hit by a laser.
You can jump in between SHLs if you watch closely enough. Then Falco would start doing higher lasers. Then you just condition him to go higher so you can run and get closer/space an aerial. Falco approaches with a laser because he has no space....get jabbed. Space an aerial on shield, Falco is close to the edge or might roll behind. Pretty easy to handle from there.
That's what I see a lot. Oh, and getting lasered out of the air and using Uair to cover your front side until you land is ****.
This is just what I see(among other things). I'm sure you know this, but if you know what to look for/condition, then it works out really well.
That's what I see a lot. Oh, and getting lasered out of the air and using Uair to cover your front side until you land is ****.
This is just what I see(among other things). I'm sure you know this, but if you know what to look for/condition, then it works out really well.
DJRome
Smash Hero
who in nc wants me to pick up puff?
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