The NEXT major (BAM or whatever late in the year) in Melbourne....

[INFORMATION!!!]

Ok ok....

Don't ask who I am, or guess, as I won't tell you, I'm just getting some info together.

Melbourne is usually considered the place where the "BIG" event is held each year and I want to add into this as much as possible.

But, what is the best way to get best ALL of Australia to one place without sponsorships (not denying that some people probably will be sponsored, but since it's in Melbourne already, no where NEAR what the TO's in Adelaide would have to sponsored for Reloaded, which had the highest payout ratio this year, tied closely with BAM.

I was thinking two ways, and they are.

A rather large minimum GUARANTEED pot (in between $2000 and $3000) for FIRST place.
A rather large minimum GUARANTEED pot (in between $1500 and $2000) for SECOND place.
A rather large minimum GUARANTEED pot (in between $500 and $1000) for THIRD place.

Doubles will be NO WHERE NEAR as high as singles.

When I say minimum, the prize could be doubled (meaning say first got $3000, it COULD be doubled to $6000, this applies to BOTH games, not just 1.

There is a catch. If this were to happen. NOBODY from overseas (<3 Splice) WHO HAS BEEN SPONSORED IN ANYWAY WHATSOEVER can compete, and even if they did, they would only win 15% of what the prize they won to prevent someone secretly sponsoring people then going half, and the fact that the goal of THIS method is to get as many AUSSIES in the tourney (which ffs had better be timed better).

The second option.
Multiple Overseas sponsorships. Think like 3 or 4, maybe 5. I'm not keen on this idea, as I'm more big on the Australian idea. They would win whatever the prize money in, which would have absolutely no injection (from the side I'm talking about anyway, someone else is free to sponsor.

I expect a range of replies, from "lol I dunt care" to uber serious ones, to ones that think the idea is stupid, that's the point of the topic. Just have a think about it, I (and the other person behind this) will NEVER have this option (open until 2012, like, New Years Eve, and we'll decide which method to go with, or if we decide not to bother at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6_RZhh44NY

 

[ciaza]

I assume that this is for Smash 64, and that you'll be personally paying for the prize pool.

In any case, I'm in.

 

[asianaussie]

that's a lotta money

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

I'm afraid Smash 64 was completely forgotten about. But the other guy said he'd do a Super Monkey Ball Tourney, but I'm not keen on that darrrrrrrrrrrmmmmmmmmmmmmm eeet.

 

[Splice]

sounds good.

by "NOBODY from out of state can compete"
did you mean
"NOBODY from OVERSEAS can compete"

???

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

wassup nova

having 2-3k for 1st is just ridiculous, we don't deserve that amount. Sponsor a few overseas players (and interstates) instead and just have a 500-1k pot.. oats/hall/hugs

c:

 

[Shaya]

I'll just say I think that pouring in extremely large amounts of money into the scene like this does not really positively help the community as much as I'd hope.

you would get a lot more people happy and interested if you gave prizes up to top 8 or so rather that solely focussing on top 3.

Also it hurts enthusiasm for any tournament that doesn't have a sponsorship going down. Travelling out of state was close to a right of passage for smash players (anywhere in the world) and for the longest time, for the majority of people, wasn't about money. These injections really change the atmosphere in both positive and negative ways - but I do think it kills any traditional sense of pilgrimage.

 

[swordsaint]

dont care much for overseas players anyway.

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

sounds good.

by "NOBODY from out of state can compete"
did you mean
"NOBODY from OVERSEAS can compete"

???

Yeah, nobody from overseas....

I will agree with Shaya, pouring money into the community doesn't really help as much as one would hope, but imo it does help a little, but not enough.

wassup random person I've never seen in my life

having 2-3k for 1st is just ridiculous, we don't deserve that amount. Sponsor a few overseas players (and interstates) instead and just have a 500-1k pot.. oats/hall/hugs

c:

'sif Aus isn't worth that much lul. Actually, Oats/hal/hugs does sound pretty good with a boosted pot. It may even get some others interested

Ideas. <3

 

[Shaya]

If you want a real hype tourney that everyone would go to, you'd put top 8 (or higher?).

While the first person getting $2k would feel awesome, they'd be just as happy to win half (if not less) of that if other people were happy too.

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

Top 8 (last 2/3 bad maths) win at least 5-8 times what they put in say payment fee was $20, winning 8 times that ($160....I think >_>) payment fee), I'd have no problem with.

Brackets (()))()()()()()

 

[ciaza]

I agree with Shaya. I feel that a lot more people would come from further away if they felt they had much more of a chance at making the bubble.

Money makes the world go round.

I think something like this will become the Wrestlemania of Smash of Australia, or the Apex of Australia if you don't like wrassling.

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

Ciaza I always thought as Melb's Rocky/Robocop/BAM as the Wrestlemania of Aus smash anyway lol.

 

[CAOTIC]

My lengthy response to this question is found here, since it could be a new topic on its own (or i was just bored at work so i felt like typing long crap):

http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=312058

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

BRACK-ETS! & BOREL RES-uLtS

Results posted in wrong topic, delete plz.

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

I think I posted the results in the wrong topic.... larl...

Anyway, to respond to CaO....

Some good points, but like I said, nothing I said was guaranteed.
If people don't want the free money/sponsorship, which I understand can be destructive (as people ALWAYS expect it) there's jack all I can do about it but expect people to be more mature.

I was directly (not the main) organiser of an event earlier this year in Adelaide which saw more money go into it from 1 person than any other tournament (over $6500), and I don't believe people like S.D, Kas, or TedXV expect sponsorship (which they got) all the time, nor massive pot injections (Attila winning $1000) Bryte winning ($900 all up iirc) *Shrugs*.

I can see the positives and negatives, but since my interest in the game(s) isn't gonna last forever, I don't care about the constant worrying about what might happen in the future.

 

[Attila_]

kinda feel inclined to agree with cao.

although i wouldnt mind sponsoring someone good.

also, spelt 'attila', and please exclude ics from my characters, since i used them in a single match, and lost it anyway.

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

Corrected that error in the real topic and kinda explained how it may have happened since I never spell your name wrong.... >_>

 

[Redact]

If you want to contribute money to the scene, I think it should be used for things to make the event itself more accessible/appealing to the people that would not go otherwise.

International guests are cool, but that appeals more to the hardcore devoted players (like myself, which is why I funded Mango)


My ideas are more like the following:



Contribute money towards venue fee/lowering entry costs.

Rather than have next major touting a price tag along the lines of $40+ or something, how about contributing enough to make it free?

The idea of a free event can be more appealing to entry level players or newer players, or even veteran players coming back for another event in comparison to an expensive event.

A $5 dollar major would be pretty mad.


Contributing to players that would not come otherwise at all and are actually passionate about the game

This is a minority but there are some players that enjoy the game but can't make it to national events due to their own circumstances. Through my own experience I've learned I'd rather sponsor keen up and coming players rather than seasoned veterans that don't harbor the passion they once had.

Bringing new blood to a national level for the first time will only increase their passion for the game.


Rewarding lower level players

Funding prizes for the top 3 or such will only entice like 5 players in Australia at this point in time. You could go all the way down to top 8 but then again that appeals to only so many. Having more intricate prizes such as "highest placing newcomer" or "highest placing from each state" can promote a diverse range of players coming from each region.



I'd rather reward passionate players instead of people that win every second event hey.

Tired of seeing ZXV and Dekar with so much money, what ******s

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

Lowered costs was done at Reloaded, from what I recall.
I do agree with promoting more wins for the people who ran lower (or higher I guess) than 1st 2nd or 3rd.

It would seem that the scene doesn't want anymore handouts, and that is fine with me. Maybe it is a bad idea.

 

[Invisi]

^ +1 to Redact

1. Contribute money towards venue fee/lowering entry costs.

2. Contributing to players that would not come otherwise at all and are actually passionate about the game

3. Rewarding lower level players

1. Unlike a large pot, I can hardly see any negative effects resulting from this. Probably the best thing you can do to attract newcomers

2. We all need a chance to improve, and I'm sure there are many up-and-coming players who would love the chance to go interstate to a major. (Meeeeeee plz =D)

3. Not so much in agreement with this, but maybe that's just because of specific suggestions put forward. I remember at ACL Sydney Ted organised an amateurs bracket, open to anyone who has never been on a PR (-Patv, cuz apparently he wins amateur brackets too much), and it was great fun (despite the fact that I did badly; worse than the main bracket lol), especially since there were so many new people there. Perhaps a free amateur bracket could be held with a small portion of the main pot dedicated to it?

 

[INFORMATION!!!]

I'm kinda just getting the impression (reading both topic) that no handouts beats handouts, in a number of ways. Nothing is final, as I said.

"Nova", not me, though I know him very well, spent a LOT of money getting things organised, paying for extra setups, even striking a deal that if you brought TV or setup, you paid nothing, on top of the 11 or 12 sponsorships and massive cash injections, Nova has openly stated he hated the tourney (trust me, he hated Reloaded and he put the most effort into it) so maybe money isn't the answer, and yes, he obviously is the other person I'm talking about. I'm Legion, who runs the CONSOLE tourneys in SA at reloaded.

 

[CAOTIC]

**** everyone's +1-ing like G+ is cool or something.

+1's to redcart.

in any case, i don't see myself taking the reigns on smash again, as i want to sit on my rockin chair like a vet and give advice to smash kiddies cus the scene rests with its more relevant players -- so, it's critical that TOs like redcat continue on and make PBs on his future TO efforts, and everything become the best eber

it took me like... 5 years to produce something as reliable as rocky. my comrades and seat series left little to the imagination.

+ it would be pretty homosexual of me to like, return and take back everything you put your energy into as well, lol

1. Contribute money towards venue fee/lowering entry costs.
would also like to encourage TOs to consider charging people only to pay for the venue + keep some reserve for hosting bigger events like majors. also, for the majors, have payouts that support the cost of having OOSers attend and nothing more

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

lawl comrades.. 50 entrants.. seeding? pffft u crazy son

still a pretty beast tourney tho xD

 

[CAOTIC]

the beast thing about that tourney was shaz's background conversation @ 0.57 XD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k3fesjeMJA&feature=channel_video_title

looooooooolll

 

[Darkwing SykeDuk]

xD was that when he raged at zax?

that guy was a bit of a tool tho >_>

 

[Invisi]

I'm kinda just getting the impression (reading both topic) that no handouts beats handouts, in a number of ways.

Money injections can be great, if used correctly. Pot handouts to the winners would probably do more harm than good, but there are plenty of ways in which money could do great things for the scene (I suggest funding venue fees, or perhaps making entry free for newcomers).

 

[Attila_]

top 8 getting some money would be nice, even if it was only a little. we could make people play for these positions as well, instead of having two sevenths and nineths or whatever.

more hype for people who normally wouldn't get hype.

 

[Remastered]

I know Jaice and I are very keen to attend more out of state tournaments, but it does get pretty costly.

I have no desire to compete against people from the USA in brawl at this stage, I would just prefer to have the entire Aus community in one place for a super major, and have an absolute blast with the people attending.

I will put my hand up to TO the next big major if I can get sponsership to be there (If it's not held in QLD, which I doubt it would be anyway). I can assure you the tournament will be well run, and enjoyable for all. May need a hand with a melee ruleset, but apart from that I think I know the scene in Aus well enough to get **** done

 

[Redact]

Next major in syd as I want to go to zxv's house after I burn down teds

 

[Shaya]

I'd probably try to set one up if I didn't know Melbourne would say they'd come then change their mind

If you actually wanted to donate money to that, I would recommend something along the lines of 'out of staters fund' that is shared equally by all those coming from out of state. Perhaps hiring out cheap rooms at a hotel ?

 

[Scrubs]

I'd probably try to set one up if I didn't know Melbourne would say they'd come then change their mind

If you actually wanted to donate money to that, I would recommend something along the lines of 'out of staters fund' that is shared equally by all those coming from out of state. Perhaps hiring out cheap rooms at a hotel ?

Even $50 bucks towards expenses can make a big difference

 

[luke_atyeo]

oi, theres some good suggestions here, basically if everyone goes to a tourney, and its only the same handful of top players that are making money, letting them make even more money isnt going to boost attendence at all.

however as suggested above, things you could do to help achieve a greater turnout would include

1. cheaper entry (or free entry for newcomers)

2. if you have so much money for a prize pool, make top 8 win money, the only reason this was never done in the earlier days was because if we diluted the little money we had, winning would'nt even be worth it.
when shaya ran bigger tourneys he usually split the prize pool to top 5, and that worked out really well.

3. put a bounty on mic's head

4. have an amateur bracket that also has a prize pool, this will deffinently help newer players improve because now they have an achievable goal set in front of them.

5. get that luke guy to be your TO, act tourneys were the ****ing bomb yo!

 

[blaze3927]

IMO housing and community/peopleismore of an incentive, thanks to one REALLY nice guy threeof us made it down from canberra to melbourne two/three times.
And that was for smash64 with no prizepool/monetary incentive.

wouldnt have happened without the housing/cool people factor

however if money's became larger in melee (stuff brawl) we would definitley start practising the game properly/more often

 

[Splice]

I agree. Friends and community is something we need to promote when we try to interest newcomers. If people just aren't making friends, aren't seeing us outside of tournament, then they probably won't be staying in the scene very long.

The rewards and all these suggestions that make the tournament a more enjoyable experience are SUPER beneficial, but the social part of smash needs to be capitalised on a bit more.

I try to do this with all new players but it is a bit hard coz i can only make friends with people i like :3

 

[luke_atyeo]

well there isnt too much you can do about that really, people who know people in the scene can get free housing easily, and new comers arent likely to feel comfatable staying with a complete stranger, so they have to get to know people through their local scene first.

 

[EverAlert]

says the guy who stayed with complete strangers in another country

 

[Shaya]

[former] Marth mains are never strangers to each other.

Luke just tagged along for the ride.

 

[luke_atyeo]

yeah, I didnt know them, but someone I was with who knew them knew them.