The New Phantom Thief of Persona 5 The Royal - Kasumi Yoshizawa/"Jane"

[Izanagi97]

So it looks like in this trailer, she had 475 HP (before using Heat Wave) and 210 SP compared to Joker's 505/271 and Mona's 414/266. So there's that

 

[Peripuff]

What heat wave? can you show where it's listed?

Oh, I just mentioned it since it was in conversation a few posts back, apologies

Actually, there is if you slow it down and look. It's just very hard to see due to how the scene was shot.

Oh, you're right

 

[Teeb147]

Ok so there was heat wave in pesrona 4,. but nothing of it in persona 5. Still weird that it'd be physical in any case.

Not saying it's not the case, because i could easily just not know or remember it, but still weird.

 

[Peripuff]

Anyway, I also noticed that Kasumi's SP bar remains full after using it, so that basically confirms physical imo

 

[Gentlepanda]

Also, it's really weird that it'd be physical.

never has made much sense, but it's mostly a visual thing anyway. it's always just been medium physical damage.

 

[Teeb147]

Well alrighty. Fire and Ice are already covered by other team members anyway. So i guess that's a good thing.

 

[EarlTamm]

Anyway, I think this Persona still keeps Kasumi in the running. It's form is still human like in form, so it can pull the same stuff Arsène did in physical attacks. It has no wings, but the things on it's back could be used as a replacement. And even then, the up B could be changed, as Chrom has previously demonstrated.

 

[Izanagi97]

never has made much sense, but it's mostly a visual thing anyway. it's always just been medium physical damage.

I though Heat Wave was the heavy raw damage multi target physical in P5 (Vorpal Blade and Gigantomachia hitting hard)

 

[Gentlepanda]

I though Heat Wave was the heavy raw damage multi target physical in P5 (Vorpal Blade and Gigantomachia hitting hard)

as far as i'm aware it's not in 5 yet (base game)

 

[Teeb147]

Anyway, i think this Persona still keeps Kasumi in the running. It's form is still human like in form, so it can pull the same stuff Arsène did in physical attacks. It has no wings, but the things on it's back could be used as a replacement. And even then, the up B could be changed, as Chrom has previously demonstrated.

It's too bad it didn't fit to a T for smash. I still really liket the persona tho

 

[Gentlepanda]

interestingly, the start of the trailer also emphasizes kasumi's kicks (all of smash joker's non-weapon moves), and shows her throwing up the sword and spinning it

i do wonder how much joker's moveset was meant to represent them both at once if she's still planned

 

[Teeb147]

I'm just going to post the videolink here too in case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N69XEbmbek

 

[EarlTamm]

It's too bad it didn't fit to a T for smash. I still really liket the persona tho

Yeah, then things would have been rather easy.

interestingly, the start of the trailer also emphasizes kasumi's kicks (all of smash joker's non-weapon moves), and shows her throwing up the sword and spinning it

i do wonder how much joker's moveset was meant to represent them both at once if she's still planned

I noticed that as well. Her Persona seems built to kick people.

I find it interesting that her Persona doe snot seem to be based off of a criminal of some kind, but rather a retelling of Cinderella.

 

[Peripuff]

interestingly, the start of the trailer also emphasizes kasumi's kicks (all of smash joker's non-weapon moves), and shows her throwing up the sword and spinning it

i do wonder how much joker's moveset was meant to represent them both at once if she's still planned

You're right, that is very interesting

Think we could see anything Kasumi for Smash related at E3?

 

[Gentlepanda]

You're right, that is very interesting

Think we could see anything Kasumi for Smash related at E3?

ehh, very unlikely

if she happens, she happens in late october/november when royal hits japan and marketing is starting up for its early 2020 western release (ala corrin in december 2015)

given the mostly-finished state of her model, my feeling is that she was being worked on during challenger pack 1's development block and is now being kept on the backburner until she's promotionally relevant for atlus

 

[Peripuff]

ehh, very unlikely

if she happens, she happens in late october/november when royal hits japan and marketing is starting up for its early 2020 western release (ala corrin in december 2015)

given the mostly-finished state of her model, my feeling is that she was being worked on during challenger pack 1's development block and is now being kept on the backburner until she's promotionally relevant for atlus

That makes sense. At least we have more Kasumi content to speculate over

I'm so excited for P5R

 

[EarlTamm]

Just going to link some tweets I found interesting.

Kasumi’s persona is definitely based on Cinderella. Her chest piece is literally a clock going 10-11-12-1-2 pic.twitter.com/jdjyl7VFk8

— Chrome @ 🐍🐙🐍 peddler (@chromiekins) June 6, 2019

There was a problem fetching the tweet

pic.twitter.com/6KTv3UhzHu

— Ültra (@ultrashroomz) June 6, 2019

 

[Gentlepanda]

observation: kasumi's persona has the same style of legs as arsene

make of this what you will

 

[EarlTamm]

observation: kasumi's persona has the same style of legs as arsene

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make of this what you will

Almost reminds me of skating shoes. Whatever way someone decides to take this, this showcases that there is certainly connecting elements to the Personas. And considering how prevalent Arsène kicking attacks are in Smash...

 

[Teeb147]

observation: kasumi's persona has the same style of legs as arsene

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make of this what you will

Nice. What about the arms?

 

[Gentlepanda]

Almost reminds me of skating shoes. Whatever way someone decides to take this, this showcases that there is certainly connecting elements to the Personas. And considering how prevalent Arsène kicking attacks are in Smash...

is kinda funny how basically all joker's non-dagger moves are kicks and that's sort of also kasumi's thing

Nice. What about the arms?

arms seem pretty normal

they don't have arsene's claws, but they are at least the same proportion

 

[Teeb147]

is kinda funny how basically all joker's non-dagger moves are kicks and that's sort of also kasumi's thing


arms seem pretty normal

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they don't have arsene's claws, but they are at least the same proportion

That's good enough. It's not like the claws are extended or anything.

 

[EarlTamm]

is kinda funny how basically all joker's non-dagger moves are kicks and that's sort of also kasumi's thing

Yeah, I am getting major Simon and Richter vibes here.

arms seem pretty normal

they don't have arsene's claws, but they are at least the same proportion

And that is what's most important. The fact that her Persona seems to fit the same frame as Arsène is very good for us.

 

[Gentlepanda]

it also helps that the claws are never really used that much - arsene is usually just flexing in the back and doing elemental stuff

the closest you get is upsmash

 

[EarlTamm]

it also helps that the claws are never really used that much - arsene is usually just flexing in the back and doing elemental stuff

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the closest you get is upsmash

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And for the up smash they could change it to a slap or punch without much change to the move.

 

[Deleted member]

Having seen the trailer already, I do think that she can work as an echo for Joker too.

Just the minor changes suggested by Tamm and Panda might have to be done, but it’s not a problem due to cases like Ken where they made tweaks to the character while still feeling like an echo.

 

[EarlTamm]

Quoting this because it is good to see in this thread.

Oh, also Kasumi’s character trailer has been translated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Persona5/comments/bxcndu @Noipoi Gentlepanda

 

[Teeb147]

Quoting this because it is good to see in this thread.

It's not translated by default. I'm guessing to use the youtube subtitles?
I'll check it out later.

 

[EarlTamm]

Looked through TV Tropes again and I saw some interesting points when it came to Kasumi's character bio on the site.

• "Aloof Ally: Promotional material for Royal states that Kasumi doesn't particularly agree with the Phantom Thieves' motives, only joining them for her own personal agenda as well as her admiration for Joker. This even extends to her Persona, as while the story of Cinderella is about oppression and injustice and rising above it, Cendrillon herself is not a thief. Even her rebellious spirit is at odds with the Phantom Thieves."
• "Helping Would Be Killstealing: According to her reveal trailer, one of the reasons she disagrees with the Phantom Thieves is because she feels them helping people in such a manner actually defeats their self-stated purpose of helping people stand up for themselves. She believes that "the only one that can help you is you." This belief turns out to be a personal matter for Kasumi, as she feels as though she has been helped throughout her whole life."

 

[Deleted member]

Looked through TV Tropes again and I saw some interesting points when it came to Kasumi's character bio.

• "Aloof Ally: Promotional material for Royal states that Kasumi doesn't particularly agree with the Phantom Thieves' motives, only joining them for her own personal agenda as well as her admiration for Joker. This even extends to her Persona, as while the story of Cinderella is about oppression and injustice and rising above it, Cendrillon herself is not a thief. Even her rebellious spirit is at odds with the Phantom Thieves."
• "Helping Would Be Killstealing: According to her reveal trailer, one of the reasons she disagrees with the Phantom Thieves is because she feels them helping people in such a manner actually defeats their self-stated purpose of helping people stand up for themselves. She believes that "the only one that can help you is you." This belief turns out to be a personal matter for Kasumi, as she feels as though she has been helped throughout her whole life."

I do relate with her on some regards.

Yes, I feel that sometimes you basically count just with yourself with certain problems and I do find myself at times on the Smash community supporting some characters just because of someone I admire who is doing so (like Geno or Spyro in general).

 

[Gentlepanda]

Looked through TV Tropes again and I saw some interesting points when it came to Kasumi's character bio on the site.

• "Aloof Ally: Promotional material for Royal states that Kasumi doesn't particularly agree with the Phantom Thieves' motives, only joining them for her own personal agenda as well as her admiration for Joker. This even extends to her Persona, as while the story of Cinderella is about oppression and injustice and rising above it, Cendrillon herself is not a thief. Even her rebellious spirit is at odds with the Phantom Thieves."
• "Helping Would Be Killstealing: According to her reveal trailer, one of the reasons she disagrees with the Phantom Thieves is because she feels them helping people in such a manner actually defeats their self-stated purpose of helping people stand up for themselves. She believes that "the only one that can help you is you." This belief turns out to be a personal matter for Kasumi, as she feels as though she has been helped throughout her whole life."

when you can feel the tragic backstory about to hit

 

[EarlTamm]

when you can feel the tragic backstory about to hit

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Yeah, it really makes me wonder what sort of personal life she has, as well as how she will react to certain events in the game.

 

[Izanagi97]

And for the up smash they could change it to a slap or punch without much change to the move.

It also helps that just about every single attack by Arsene (except Nair, Jab, and Ftilt) uses the same heavy hit sounds used by some of Ganondorf's and Incineroar's attacks

 

[Kirbeh]

Honestly, aside from Wings of Rebellion (and possibly Eiha), they really don't need to change any of the moves. And even then they don't have to change the actual moves if they change the aesthetics. Given her acrobatic/athletic inclination and the ballet/dancer theme, they could easily just remove the wings and pass the move off as a graceful leap (and of course rename it.) I suppose it would help to change the animation a little bit, but every other move would be fine untouched. Well, maybe also give her a unique pose for Rebel's Guard to let a bit of her own personality shine through and help differentiate her.

 

[Hinata]

(and possibly Eiha)

If her element really is fire, replace Eiha and Eigaon with Agi and Agidyne respectively, the poison effect now becomes burning, bada bing, bada boom.

 

[Izanagi97]

If her element really is fire, replace Eiha and Eigaon with Agi and Agidyne respectively, the poison effect now becomes burning, bada bing, bada boom.

We still don't have an element since all we know about her abilities is that she has Heat Wave as one of her skills, her SP was always around half that of her HP, and she got over 300 damage off a crit Heat Wave (enough to wipe out half that enemy's health). For all we know, she probably could be taking over as the Curse skill user if Akechi ends up losing his Curse skills to become the main user of Bless skills (I can see both using the Megido spells). I'm still betting on my guess that she is a physical attacker focused on getting Crits via Apt Pupil and Rebellion/Revolution.

 

[Gentlepanda]

since akechi seems to be staying in his second costume when he rejoins the party, i wouldn't be surprised if kasumi used bless skills (it seems more in line with get persona's colour scheme)

not sure if those have precedent to act as DOTs tho

 

[EarlTamm]

since akechi seems to be staying in his second costume when he rejoins the party, i wouldn't be surprised if kasumi used bless skills (it seems more in line with get persona's colour scheme)

not sure if those have precedent to act as DOTs tho

Yeah, bless seems to fit Cendrillon more than curse on the thematic side. But yeah, how would that transition to Smash? Aura?

 

[Izanagi97]

yeah, bless seems to fit Cendrillon more than curse on the thematic side. But yeah, how would that transition to Smash? Aura?

I mean the closest things I've seen to light damage was either Aura Damage or Electric Damage

 

[EarlTamm]

I mean the closest things I've seen to light damage was either Aura Damage or Electric Damage

I have an idea. What damage type does Galeem use?