The Most Controversial Thread on the Site! (Originally the Anti-Lucario/Pro Squirtle)

[shadenexus18]

People don't want Lucario in because:

1. They aren't ten no more, so Pokemon isn't cool
2. They aren't ten no more, so they don't know that Pokemon has come a long way since the Nineties
3. They had probably never heard of Lucario until they heard about people wanting him in Brawl
4. They don't like people talking about him so they make up things like he looks ugly yada yada

Basically, I haven't heard one good reason why they think Lucario shouldn't be added, I don't think I ever will.

P.S And you don't have to be ten to keep up to date with Pokemon, heck, even I can do it.

DUH! Anubis look alikes that can shoot out Shinku Hadokens are a definite add in bro! Plus, he's the heart n soul of the 4th generation of pokemon.

 

[raphtmarqui]

Why is squirtle NECESSARY to the franchise?

 

[Stryks]

The other thing is he gives biased opinions:

Bowser jr is a filler in every mario game, but they should add petey...

He said Black knight is generic and shouldnt be added, hes refering to the name and status, then I say what about Pokemon trainer, isnt HE generic? and isnt an evil king (meaning ashnard) a generic role?

He ignores that and then He says they shouldnt add a character without showing facial expressions, meaning no Black knight, then I say what about samus? he ignores it and then says theres too MANY no expressions characters, which are just GAW and samus... how is that too many?

They shouldnt add bowser jr cause a father shouldnt fight his son, then I go: but mario and bowser can team up to take down peach, ganondorf and zelda can join to take down link, and so on, meaning that doesnt matter it smash...

He also goes that the character added will be from a single game, e.x. Zelda characters will only be TP characters... thus WW link cant get it due to his theory, which is BS... BUT he wants diddy even tough he didnt apepar in jungle beat, meaning his just prefering characters, his theory fails and everything he says is bias...

He then says they shouldnt add megaman cause hes blue, so? theres already too many human characters, and were BOUDN to get more....

He says we should add ryu instead, even tough capcom/megaman has more games, was part of the NES era like ryu, continues to appear in nintendo consoles and is the 2nd most wanted 3rd party, but STILL wants Ryu...

THEN he says they should add Ryu cause there isnt a REAL ninja, I say we dont have ONE FULL ROBOT in the game, but u want ANOTHER ninja?

He then says brawl will be diferent from melee, saying theyre wont be clones, yet says bowser jr would be to identical to bowser and krystal if he has the paintbrush, not only does he fails because what he said in the 1st place, but since he wants another ninja, hes going against his OWN words of brawl being diferent...

Also remember when he said we can't compare lucario with dedede sonic and others??

BUT he compared bowser jr with krystal saying he would fight too similar like krystal cause they both use long weapons (jr with his brush and krystal with her staff)

he ALSO said brawl us for everyone, YET they should only add 1st gen pkmn for the old school players and ignore the newest gen and the players of that gen...

Now hes saying: They shouldnt add lucario I mean is lucario NECESARY for brawl?

I ask: Is titania, ryu, ashnard, jiggly necesary?

U just keep failing in suprised you dont accidently crash urself to the screen when u want to sit down...

IM BACK
sandman how about FINALLY responding?

 

[Nergal]

IM BACK
sandman how about FINALLY responding?

Give it up. He's probably hiding in a corner somewhere.

 

[Legolastom]

I still cant believe he says Petey is more important to Mario than JR , Mega man cant get in because he is blue and that Ryu should get in because we don't have one full Ninja...


By his logic... King boo is more important to the franchise than Luigi , Squirtle cant get in because he is blue and some random pirate should get in because we don't have a pirate already (Technically Ridley counts as a space pirate).

Did i mention he supports Petey.

 

[Nergal]

I still cant believe he says Petey is more important to Mario than JR , Mega man cant get in because he is blue and that Ryu should get in because we don't have one full Ninja...


By his logic... King boo is more important to the franchise than Luigi , Squirtle cant get in because he is blue and some random pirate should get in because we don't have a pirate already (Technically Ridley counts as a space pirate).

Did i mention he suports Ridley.

Hey I support Ridley.

Anyway, he does put out odd opinions.

 

[Legolastom]

OOPS! I accidentally wrote Ridley down there when i meant to write Petey... their names sounds kinda similar : P sorry bout that.

 

[Pluvia's other account]

*Returns to thread*
*Looks for Sandman*
*See's him being owned by Stryks*
*Smiles*

 

[brawlpro]

guyz sandman has posted like hell on the last page...lol sux he isn't replyin to stryks XD

 

[Bassoonist]

Instead he makes up his own question and doesn't accept any reasonable answers to it because they aren't "acceptable". Which is just stupid. Pikachu and Jigglypuff wouldn't bring anything to the Pokemon series if the anime have never existed... and also Lucario had his own movie. He may not be as popular as the Pokemon in Melee excluding Pichu, but he's the most popular of the 4th generation.

 

[Stryks]

Apparently when this was first the Anti-Lucario thread, you guys went PAST Lucario. You started complaining about losers like WW Link. But then as soon as a bring up a brilliant character like Ridley, many of you complain since it wasn't about Lucario.

So you know what? Its back to the basics. This is now the Anti-Lucario thread it used to be. Now we can talk about how lame he is all the time! Enjoy! More will be added to the front later.

Actually u went on complaining on which character brawl wont have, u mentioned WW link cause of his "innevitable" clonness to TP link, and how wolf would be too similair to fox cause theyre both canines and have a team that started with Star and that theyre both captains...

So technically we DIDNT start to complain about WW and the others, U started it and we RETALIATED, meaning ur wrong... AGAIN

Let me guess u changed ALL of that cause u couldnt figure out what to say to my post? meh either way ill still post it...

Oh and why not put legos comic about squirtle being pwned, I mean that had violence, and violence is funny... unlike fart jokes, seriously what are u 5?

also:

 

[_the_sandman_]

Actually u went on complaining on which character brawl wont have, u mentioned WW link cause of his "innevitable" clonness to TP link, and how wolf would be too similair to fox cause theyre both canines and have a team that started with Star and that theyre both captains...

So technically we DIDNT start to complain about WW and the others, U started it and we RETALIATED, meaning ur wrong... AGAIN

Let me guess u changed ALL of that cause u couldnt figure out what to say to my post? meh either way ill still post it...

Oh and why not put legos comic about squirtle being pwned, I mean that had violence, and violence is funny... unlike fart jokes, seriously what are u 5?

You say I'm immature, yet Sakurai, a full grown man, allowed Wario to use farting attacks. Clearly you can't find any humor in this wacky character Sakurai has created for Smash.

And this isn't a thread about me. Its about Lucario and why he doesn't belong in Smash.

 

[Nergal]

You say I'm immature, yet Sakurai, a full grown man, allowed Wario to use farting attacks. Clearly you can't find any humor in this wacky character Sakurai has created for Smash.

And this isn't a thread about me. Its about Lucario and why he doesn't belong in Smash.

Well make a reasonable case then.

 

[Lupo Aro]

You say I'm immature, yet Sakurai, a full grown man, allowed Wario to use farting attacks. Clearly you can't find any humor in this wacky character Sakurai has created for Smash.

Wario was the master of juicy farts long before he appeared in Smash, which he wasn't created for.

 

[Legolastom]

You say I'm immature, yet Sakurai, a full grown man, allowed Wario to use farting attacks. Clearly you can't find any humor in this wacky character Sakurai has created for Smash.

And this isn't a thread about me. Its about Lucario and why he doesn't belong in Smash.

He is making Wario as a sort of comic relief character with loads of wacky moves , the only thing he can do is fart i mean what else would he do? cite witty remarks?

And did you accidentally scroll over Stryk's post again or did it run away when you tried to quote it?

 

[Stryks]

OMFG U have just wento to a new never beofre seen low... ur using FART JOKES to "respond" my quote, intead of actualyl discusing about it...

and wario is SUPPOSED to be funny, thus fart attacks, he used farts in WW
(the game hes based off) and in strikers as well, sorry for sakurai sticking with the characters personality, we might as well give link a voice cause being mute is ********...

and pikachu should talk too cause what he says is all blasphemy...

The other thing is he gives biased opinions:

Bowser jr is a filler in every mario game, but they should add petey...

He said Black knight is generic and shouldnt be added, hes refering to the name and status, then I say what about Pokemon trainer, isnt HE generic? and isnt an evil king (meaning ashnard) a generic role?

He ignores that and then He says they shouldnt add a character without showing facial expressions, meaning no Black knight, then I say what about samus? he ignores it and then says theres too MANY no expressions characters, which are just GAW and samus... how is that too many?

They shouldnt add bowser jr cause a father shouldnt fight his son, then I go: but mario and bowser can team up to take down peach, ganondorf and zelda can join to take down link, and so on, meaning that doesnt matter it smash...

He also goes that the character added will be from a single game, e.x. Zelda characters will only be TP characters... thus WW link cant get it due to his theory, which is BS... BUT he wants diddy even tough he didnt apepar in jungle beat, meaning his just prefering characters, his theory fails and everything he says is bias...

He then says they shouldnt add megaman cause hes blue, so? theres already too many human characters, and were BOUDN to get more....

He says we should add ryu instead, even tough capcom/megaman has more games, was part of the NES era like ryu, continues to appear in nintendo consoles and is the 2nd most wanted 3rd party, but STILL wants Ryu...

THEN he says they should add Ryu cause there isnt a REAL ninja, I say we dont have ONE FULL ROBOT in the game, but u want ANOTHER ninja?

He then says brawl will be diferent from melee, saying theyre wont be clones, yet says bowser jr would be to identical to bowser and krystal if he has the paintbrush, not only does he fails because what he said in the 1st place, but since he wants another ninja, hes going against his OWN words of brawl being diferent...

Also remember when he said we can't compare lucario with dedede sonic and others??

BUT he compared bowser jr with krystal saying he would fight too similar like krystal cause they both use long weapons (jr with his brush and krystal with her staff)

he ALSO said brawl us for everyone, YET they should only add 1st gen pkmn for the old school players and ignore the newest gen and the players of that gen...

Now hes saying: They shouldnt add lucario I mean is lucario NECESARY for brawl?

I ask: Is titania, ryu, ashnard, jiggly necesary?

U just keep failing in suprised you dont accidently crash urself to the screen when u want to sit down...

for like the 15th time RESPOND...

 

[brawlpro]

soo, in which game did he blow these so called juicy farts...iono myself
and again......lucario deserves to be in brawl....if mewtwo can get in so can lucario...

 

[Black/Light]

Wow. . . this thread is super-doper big now.
(Home browser is screwed (at school comp now) so sorry if someone replied to me and I didn't see it)

Well you want to know MY opinions on Mr. Lucario? I can truly say that I don't think he is in brawl. . ..

My personal thoughts on Mr. Lucario? I think he is a over-hyped random pokemon. I have not heard one GOOD reason IMO for him to have gotten choosen by Sakurai. " He is a human shaped pokemon so he fits! " Lame. . .and now Ivy has just burned down the thought that 4 legged pokemon can't get in. "We need COOL pokemon. It's not just a cutey game" we just got 2 cool a** pokemon newcomers. "Pokemon is a cash cow and Lucario is used to market more than most others" Smash aint just about marketing. There will be not "mills" of games-sold difference for either pokmon DP or Smash if Lucario is or aint in. . . Plus, we just got 3 old a** pokemon and the first trainer. That aint marketing the newest gen. " Movie. . ." So what. It's 2 years old and it's not like they only make them once in a well. They make one for every year. "Popular in the Us" popularity=/=the golden ticket.

Personaly I diss-like Lucario as a character chose (and JUST because everyone that I have seen in the games have sucked. . ). Not only his he over-hyped, he doesn't even have much going for him. And to be blunt I see him like I see Sas in the Naruto forums I go to as in "I didn't really care either why til I saw everyone over hyped the crap out of them and it made me sick".

I see just about any Pokemon thread become fulled with crap like "W/e pokemon is coo and all but Lucario is WAY more likely" as if people know this as a fact. (I know their just stating their opinion but come on! A topic that has nothing to do with him becomes some "how likely is w/e compared to Lucario" crap) In other words, it's the Lucario fans that got me anti-Lucario more than the character it's self. . . .But even looking at it from a non dissliker of Lucario Point Of View I still don't see whats soo likely about him.

(My browser will be effed up til the 25th soo sorry if I don't reply. . . .and I aint spell checking)

 

[DarkKry4]

Originally posted in Lucario shrine

I wanted to share this with the anti Lucarios too!

They already have made enough movesets for the pokemon series and making another pokemon into the game would be too much. Also Mewtwo and Jiggs have a high chance of returning which also lowers Lucarios chances - reason is because if you are making a game with a lot of other franchise you'd want right amount of characters for each franchise. If we add Lucario and assuming Jiggs and Mewtwo return...

Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario

Doesnt seem like alot but if you look at how many movesets they have to focus on...

Jigglypuff
Charizard
Squirtle
Ivysaur
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario

Thats seems like a lot to work on for Brawl and too much for the pkmn franchise. Were are talking about making final smashes and reworking the movesets for returning characters and building three new movesets from scratch which takes lots of work. Adding Lucario in would be too much time and effort on the pkmn franchise for the Smash Bros creators and they need to focus on making characters from other franchises.

To clarify this is my opinion, not a fact. But its does make Lucarios chances look slim.

 

[Stryks]

This is coming from a guy that aproves a fire kicking over sized chicken...

I seriously dont care much for lucario even tough I defend him, I want him in brawl but wont be crushed if he wants him, like I said before I defend ANY character (except waluigi and tingle) in which people bash and say:
HE WONT be in brawl for X reason...

Wheres the confirmation of him NOT being in? dont got it? then its not official... I tough respect darkkry and black/light for their opinions, but sandman gives bias opinions that fails... thats why I dont respect him...

sandman STILL waiting...

 

[Pluvia's other account]

I wanted to share this with the anti Lucarios too!

They already have made enough movesets for the pokemon series and making another pokemon into the game would be too much. Also Mewtwo and Jiggs have a high chance of returning which also lowers Lucarios chances - reason is because if you are making a game with a lot of other franchise you'd want right amount of characters for each franchise. If we add Lucario and assuming Jiggs and Mewtwo return...

Jigglypuff
Pokemon Trainer
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario

Doesnt seem like alot but if you look at how many movesets they have to focus on...

Jigglypuff
Charizard
Squirtle
Ivysaur
Pikachu
Mewtwo
Lucario

Thats seems like a lot to work on for Brawl and too much for the pkmn franchise. Were are talking about making final smashes and reworking the movesets for returning characters and building three new movesets from scratch which takes lots of work. Adding Lucario in would be too much time and effort on the pkmn franchise for the Smash Bros creators and they need to focus on making characters from other franchises.

To clarify this is my opinion, not a fact. But its does make Lucarios chances look slim.

You make it sound as though they've just started adding characters.

And PT only counts as one, sadly.

So it would be:

Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer
Lucario

That's less than the amount of Mario characters in Melee. Plus Pokemon is one of Nintendo's largest and most popular franchises. Who hasn't heard of Pokemon? The Multi-Billion dollar franchise.

 

[_the_sandman_]

This is coming from a guy that aproves a fire kicking over sized chicken...

I seriously dont care much for lucario even tough I defend him, I want him in brawl but wont be crushed if he wants him, like I said before I defend ANY character (except waluigi and tingle) in which people bash and say:
HE WONT be in brawl for X reason...

Wheres the confirmation of him NOT being in? dont got it? then its not official... I tough respect darkkry and black/light for their opinions, but sandman gives bias opinions that fails... thats why I dont respect him...

sandman STILL waiting...

You've been harassing me this entire time, yet you don't even want Lucario?

Heh, and for that I'm not going to respond to ANY of your posts until you answer this one question!

Is Lucario NECESSARY to the franchise?

Seriously, if you can't answer that then don't even come back to this thread. Otherwise you're just spamming up space.

And don't give me the lame anime excuse. Or say how Jiggs or Mewtwo don't deserve the spot. THIS ISN'T ABOUT THEM! THIS IS ABOUT LUCARIO!

Again, is Lucario NECESSARY to the franchise?

 

[Circus]

You've been harassing me this entire time, yet you don't even want Lucario?

Heh, and for that I'm not going to respond to ANY of your posts until you answer this one question!

Is Lucario NECESSARY to the franchise?

Seriously, if you can't answer that then don't even come back to this thread. Otherwise you're just spamming up space.

And don't give me the lame anime excuse. Or say how Jiggs or Mewtwo don't deserve the spot. THIS ISN'T ABOUT THEM! THIS IS ABOUT LUCARIO!

Again, is Lucario NECESSARY to the franchise?

Sandman, I've come back to this thread several times (without posting) and almost feel compelled to defend you purely because so many people are jumping all over you. But then you make posts like this, and it becomes very hard for me to do so.

Official answer: NO. Lucario is not necessary to the franchise.

Reason this answer doesn't matter: Neither are Mewtwo, Jigglypuff, Pichu, nor even Pikachu. No pokemon, in particular, is necessary to the franchise.

You keep looking over this, because it makes your question pointless. So you just keep repeating it and repeating it, as if that will make it a worthwhile point. The fact is that Lucario doesn't need to be necessary to the franchise.

You keep blatantly ignoring this fact. Stop.

 

[Stryks]

Ok Ill answer it your way:

LOL FART!
JK

Ok I ask you, is ashnard necesary? how about titania?

Lucario AINT necesary, but would be a good addition, the ANIME is what made every character popular/important:

in red and blue versions pikachu didnt do anything or wasnt special in anyway, yet in the anime ash the main hero chose pikachu, making pikachu the most reocurring character, thus became the mascot and they even made a version BASED on the anime, and guess what PIKACHU ws the main pokemon there...

Jiggs IS popular CAUSE of the anime, since her scribbling over characters faces is funny and cute, japan loves cuteness, and she was a reocurring pokemon IN THE ANIME, even tough again she didnt nothing spectacular in the game...

Mewtwo was made a villain in the 1st movie, and is considered a boss in the games, I mean mewtwo didnt talk in the game, in the anime he did, and he has a laugh and voice in smash, why? cause of the anime

same goes with lucario, those that are part of the movies are considered somewhat important in some way and popular, legendarys usually get the movie roles, but most of the legendarys are huge and cant really be a character in smash, sure it could be downsized, but lets stayt true to the series shall we?

now lucario AINT legendary, and according to you AINT popular, yet he has a movie? WHY THE *** would they do that if he doesnt do anything important to in the games?! mainly because they want to make him some sort of 4th gen mascot, that is taken from munchlax, but he can be a runner up...

Point is u say I cant mention other characters, but YOU DO when u compare lucario with other characters when "proving" he "wont" be in... how da **** is that fair??

AND READ MY F'KING POST I DO WANT TO SEE LUCARIO IN BRAWL, BUT WONT SHATTER IF HE ISNT....

NOW RESPOND:

The other thing is he gives biased opinions:

Bowser jr is a filler in every mario game, but they should add petey...

He said Black knight is generic and shouldnt be added, hes refering to the name and status, then I say what about Pokemon trainer, isnt HE generic? and isnt an evil king (meaning ashnard) a generic role?

He ignores that and then He says they shouldnt add a character without showing facial expressions, meaning no Black knight, then I say what about samus? he ignores it and then says theres too MANY no expressions characters, which are just GAW and samus... how is that too many?

They shouldnt add bowser jr cause a father shouldnt fight his son, then I go: but mario and bowser can team up to take down peach, ganondorf and zelda can join to take down link, and so on, meaning that doesnt matter it smash...

He also goes that the character added will be from a single game, e.x. Zelda characters will only be TP characters... thus WW link cant get it due to his theory, which is BS... BUT he wants diddy even tough he didnt apepar in jungle beat, meaning his just prefering characters, his theory fails and everything he says is bias...

He then says they shouldnt add megaman cause hes blue, so? theres already too many human characters, and were BOUDN to get more....

He says we should add ryu instead, even tough capcom/megaman has more games, was part of the NES era like ryu, continues to appear in nintendo consoles and is the 2nd most wanted 3rd party, but STILL wants Ryu...

THEN he says they should add Ryu cause there isnt a REAL ninja, I say we dont have ONE FULL ROBOT in the game, but u want ANOTHER ninja?

He then says brawl will be diferent from melee, saying theyre wont be clones, yet says bowser jr would be to identical to bowser and krystal if he has the paintbrush, not only does he fails because what he said in the 1st place, but since he wants another ninja, hes going against his OWN words of brawl being diferent...

Also remember when he said we can't compare lucario with dedede sonic and others??

BUT he compared bowser jr with krystal saying he would fight too similar like krystal cause they both use long weapons (jr with his brush and krystal with her staff)

he ALSO said brawl us for everyone, YET they should only add 1st gen pkmn for the old school players and ignore the newest gen and the players of that gen...

Now hes saying: They shouldnt add lucario I mean is lucario NECESARY for brawl?

I ask: Is titania, ryu, ashnard, jiggly necesary?

U just keep failing in suprised you dont accidently crash urself to the screen when u want to sit down...

 

[Legolastom]

Instead he makes up his own question and doesn't accept any reasonable answers to it because they aren't "acceptable". Which is just stupid. Pikachu and Jigglypuff wouldn't bring anything to the Pokemon series if the anime have never existed... and also Lucario had his own movie. He may not be as popular as the Pokemon in Melee excluding Pichu, but he's the most popular of the 4th generation.

Necessary? Of course not. But really, how many pokemon are? Jigglypuff sure isn't, but she made it into the two previous Smashes and is highly speculated to be in Brawl—ALL based on her popularity in Japan.

Even Mewtwo, despite his status as the villain, is still just a legendary pokemon hiding in a cave when you break it down. His evil history and personality were only developed in his movie, which you are clearly hellbent on discounting.

The only pokemon that's truly necessary to the franchise is Pikachu, and even he's debatable since he wasn't actually important at all in Pokemon Red and Blue. He's only necessary in the sense that having a pokemon mascot was almost necessary—and Pikachu happened to be the lucky sonuvagun.

Ash is a trainer, and he's the mascot.



I mean as in like a extra reconizable character kinda mascot, not mascot for the whole series. Does Pikachu have a story in the games=??? Heck, the only Pokemon I know with stories in the games are Mewtwo, Suicune, Groudon, Ho-oh, Mew, Kyrogue, and the Regies. No one else really, other then Pikachu was the only starter in Yellow and made faces.



I mean as new characters who are reconizable. Again, you show your biased points.



Well Pokemon could survive fine without even Pikachu. Heck, Pokemon could survive off only Pikachu. Answer my question.



I never said that. You already stated they were important, and I never said that, so stop doing that crap. That's retarted if you think I said that, it was in the quote above me, and anyone with brains know they are the main mascots. I mean as reconizable characters in their respective franchises Bowser Jr. and Midna are mascots, not mascots of their series, just NEW MASCOTS. Stop twisting my post with this unhonest crap, where did I say they were more important than Mario or Link=???



No one but Pikachu and Ash are. They keep the money rolling. So that leaves some Pokmon Brawl spots left, either 2 or 3 I am assuming. Who's a better possible playable character who is HALF AS DESIRED AS LUCARIO=??? Answer me that one while you're at it.

Answer my question now. Go on, answer the one on my last post, I dare you.

Wait, wait, wait. You're taking this to extremes.

Jiggs lost it's popularity in Japan, it's hated here, so it's not popular. NA is where the most money is at, NOT JAPAN! Mewtwo fits the roll, check. Jiggs....maybe, but let's say Jiggs makes it. But wat if there is one more spot, who gets it=??? Pichu is dead, Deoxys is out, Groudon was retarted to begin with, so who fits it=??? LUCARIO!

Jiggs has lost it's popularity in Japan, and Japan only makes up 1/3rd or so of the sales. NA is where the REAL SALES ARE, and we hate the puff. So therefore Mewtwo is 2nd most popular, and the 3rd most popular....ahh it's either Charizard [confirmed] or Lucario=I'm just guessing.

And you're taking this to extremes. Lucario is important in marketing the 4th gen, but no POKEMON IS REQUIRED OTHER THAN PIKACHU! F*** mewtwo, f*** Squirtle, f*** mew, f*** Lucario, PIKACHU IS WHERE THE merchendise money is at. If you take away the pika-factor and mewtwo-factor, then it's a toss up between a few Pokemon for the 3rd spot, but I believe Lucario takes it, being the 4th gens most popular Pokemon, which is set to be the best selling gen of all of them! So as far as we know Lucario could already be the 2nd most popular.

And answer my two questions already. No one is required in Brawl other than Diddy Kong. No one else is that big to Nintendo, just to the fans. But the fans are who make Nintendo, so that means this isn't true. That means they matter to Nintendo, and the fans want Lucario in Brawl, so Lucario will very likely be in Brawl.

-Johnknight1

Just a quick note to all here. You also have to take into account the fact that many of the pokemon that are already in Brawl would not be as popular as they are without the anime, either. Such as Pikachu. In the games themselves, Pikachu is not even as important as Squirtle, save for Yellow, which was inspired by the anime. And the same really goes for Jigglypuff, who was another random pokemon who likely made it into Smash 64 based on its popularity that was generated by the anime and manga adaptations. Really Pokemon Trainer is really the only one character from any Smash game that is really necessary to the franchise, when you leave out any influence from sources outside of the games; (like the anime, manga, or movies) the only other really important characters being the starters, and to a lesser extent, Mewtwo, due to the fact that he was one of the two most sought-after pokemon in that first game. I guess what I am trying to say is that the anime and manga are indeed important things for the franchise, at least where characters like Pikachu and Jigglypuff are concerned, so no matter whom you are arguing for or against, you cannot take those factors out of the argument.

And with that, I am off.

Wow. This thead went from ratinal (more or less) to outright hatred. Anyway sandman, no pokemon is truly important to the franchise, which is why there are 493 of them. Jigglypuff was not made popular in Red & Blue versions. Gameplaywise, it's not even memorable. If we went by that logic, then the 1st gen reps would be Mewtwo, Mew, & Alakazam. The anime & movies are important because they deeply profile pokemon we otherwise wouldn't care about. Why were Pika & Jiggs chosen? Because cute sells. Sandman, you were actually a decent debater, but you fanboy bias & self-assured nature got in the wy of that.

You know i don't know why you people dont answer sandman's questions... o no wait... you have! 9And in the Lucario shrine thread).

Seriously sandman this has gone past a joke if you cannot answer Stryk's post then at least answer these peoples.

 

[_the_sandman_]

So I read everyone's responses to my question "Is Lucario NECESSARY to the franchise?" and these were the overall answers I've received.

- He is in a movie
- He is powerful
- He is popular

So looking at the question "Is Lucario NECESSARY to the franchise?" it kind of proves my point, now doesn't it? Lucario may be powerful in the game, but so are Alakazam and Gengar. So saying he is powerful would be saying a weaker character like Squirtle shouldn't be in, which has been proven false.

Oh, he has a movie. This has always been a crutch for Lucario's chance in Brawl. If I recall this game is supposed to be full of the greatest gaming Nintendo characters of all time. Saying Lucario needs the movie is like saying he wasn't good enough on his own for the game he appeared in. So if the greatest video game characters are in Brawl, then why would a movie star like Lucario be in it?

Mewtwo and Jigglypuff didn't just have the show and movie. They got popular on their own merits from the gaming franchise they have helped create.

Pokemon D+P is relatively new. Of course Lucario is going to be popular. But so are Pikachu, Squirtle, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Charizard, and the rest of the first gen. So while one is popular because his game is quite recent, the other original 150 are popular because their game set the entire foundation for the pokemon franchise as a whole.

If Lucario never had a movie, or even didn't exist, I'm sure the franchise wouldn't have suffered. While on other hand, the original 3 starter pokemon set the whole idea that there will be a Fire, Water, and Grass pokemon to get at the start of every game. Without Pikachu, Pokemon would be missing a mascot.

So overall the reason people want him in is because he is currently popular. Not because he is an essential asset to the entire pokemon franchise.

You guys still haven't given me a reasonable answer to why Lucario is NECESSARY to the entire pokemon franchise. Which proves my point....

 

[brawlpro]

where the hell is that he can be a good fighter, think of it dammit, he looks like he can fight...smash attacks, titlts, and how awesome will his throws finishers and aerials look? pretty cool if ya ask me.

 

[Stryks]

Ok so u want me to answer ur question when u havent answered MY POST FOR THE EASILY 15TH TIME? EPIC OMEGA FAIL?!

and sinc eu just copied paste what u said in the lucario thread:

Pikachu isn't important? Hahaha. You really are blind aren't you.

What next? Should we consider Mario to not be important for the Super Mario franchise?

Pikachu is the mascot, don't play dumb and pretend he isn't important. If Lucario was as important as you say he is, then any gamer would know who he is. But this has been proven false because none of my friends, nor my younger brother, nor any of his friends know who Lucario is. But yet they also are gamers.

Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Mewtwo are at least recognizable to all gamers, even if they didn't play the pokemon games. And I should know because I also happen to know plenty of people that never played the game, yet they know who characters like Squirtle are.

The first gen contains the most important characters that are essential to the entire pokemon franchise. You can't lie to yourself like this and say Pikachu isn't important.

And besides, you still haven't answered my question. Other than saying everyone likes him, which has been proven false, even on these boards.

Dude I saw a TV program once where some celebrity knew ALL the 1st gens cause back then there were FEW who DIDNT know the pokemans...

I DIDNT SAY PIKACHU ISNT IMPORTANT U F'KING IDIOT

I SAID they dont NECESARLY have to add pokemon characters, including pikachu, BUT pokemon SERIES (not the 1st gen, the SERIES) is one of nintendos greatest, and is OBVIOUS they will add pkmn rep in smash, thats a no brainer...

U havent answered my ENTIRE POST on ur thread even tough I have posted easily 10 TIMES... WHAT THE F'CK is ur point?

also just because SOME people dont know who he is doesnt mean millions among millions of DP gamers dont know who he is, the DP games are going to out sell the 1st gen games, meaning even tough the hype of pokemon is lower in comparison in the late 90s MANY among MANY people will know the 4th gens, INCLUDING lucario

again I ask you:
Is jiggs an asset to the franchise? was pikachu an asset in the game BEFORE the anime appeared? and:

The other thing is he gives biased opinions:

Bowser jr is a filler in every mario game, but they should add petey...

He said Black knight is generic and shouldnt be added, hes refering to the name and status, then I say what about Pokemon trainer, isnt HE generic? and isnt an evil king (meaning ashnard) a generic role?

He ignores that and then He says they shouldnt add a character without showing facial expressions, meaning no Black knight, then I say what about samus? he ignores it and then says theres too MANY no expressions characters, which are just GAW and samus... how is that too many?

They shouldnt add bowser jr cause a father shouldnt fight his son, then I go: but mario and bowser can team up to take down peach, ganondorf and zelda can join to take down link, and so on, meaning that doesnt matter it smash...

He also goes that the character added will be from a single game, e.x. Zelda characters will only be TP characters... thus WW link cant get it due to his theory, which is BS... BUT he wants diddy even tough he didnt apepar in jungle beat, meaning his just prefering characters, his theory fails and everything he says is bias...

He then says they shouldnt add megaman cause hes blue, so? theres already too many human characters, and were BOUDN to get more....

He says we should add ryu instead, even tough capcom/megaman has more games, was part of the NES era like ryu, continues to appear in nintendo consoles and is the 2nd most wanted 3rd party, but STILL wants Ryu...

THEN he says they should add Ryu cause there isnt a REAL ninja, I say we dont have ONE FULL ROBOT in the game, but u want ANOTHER ninja?

He then says brawl will be diferent from melee, saying theyre wont be clones, yet says bowser jr would be to identical to bowser and krystal if he has the paintbrush, not only does he fails because what he said in the 1st place, but since he wants another ninja, hes going against his OWN words of brawl being diferent...

Also remember when he said we can't compare lucario with dedede sonic and others??

BUT he compared bowser jr with krystal saying he would fight too similar like krystal cause they both use long weapons (jr with his brush and krystal with her staff)

he ALSO said brawl us for everyone, YET they should only add 1st gen pkmn for the old school players and ignore the newest gen and the players of that gen...

Now hes saying: They shouldnt add lucario I mean is lucario NECESARY for brawl?

I ask: Is titania, ryu, ashnard, jiggly necesary?

U just keep failing in suprised you dont accidently crash urself to the screen when u want to sit down...

U bring ur hate here, I bring ur stupidity with it...

BOOYA

 

[_the_sandman_]

Styks, why would you need me to tell you what your opinion should be about WW Link, Bowser Jr, Black Knight, etc. Get over it, seriously. I'm done answering any of your questions that don't involve Lucario.

This thread is back to the basics, all Lucario, all the time. At least that's the way its supposed to be. Quit trying to change the subject just because you can't answer my question.

Is Lucario NECESSARY to the Pokemon franchise?

 

[Stryks]

Why because U FAILED?? ADMIT IT everyone knows u did yet wont admit it, u failed and to scare to admit it...

Would pikachu and jiggly be necessary WITHOUT the anime??

and besides THE TITLE OF THE THREAD SAYS OTHERWISE OMG BURNED AGAIN!! Im so adding that to the answer my post quote XD...

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

The question is irrelevant, because necessity is purely subjective.

 

[WFL]

You guys still haven't given me a reasonable answer to why Lucario is NECESSARY to the entire pokemon franchise. Which proves my point....

You must not be able to read because the past 4 or so pages have at least 4 posts per page answering your question saying "No, Lucario isn't necessary to the pokemon franchise, but it doesn't f***king matter because no pokemon in the actual pokemon series that has appeared in smash bros. is necessary because they can just be replaced by another of the 489 other pokemon that haven't appeared in smash."

Now if you didn't get this far because you either have A.D.D. or can't read make another post about showing how you are an idiot and can't read a paragraph of writing.

 

[Stryks]

Also sandman u Logic killing fcktard, those are YOUR opinions, im just proving them wrong, now I cant post UR opinions in UR thread? god this is PRICELESS...

 

[Kirby knight]

sandman will only listen to what he wants to hear.

It's kinda sad tbh. honestly sandman your just digging yourself into a hole and pretty soon your not going to get out of it;even if you stop digging now there's a chance you may not even be able to get out.

 

[DarkKry4]

Wait, wait, wait. You're taking this to extremes.

Jiggs lost it's popularity in Japan, it's hated here, so it's not popular. NA is where the most money is at, NOT JAPAN! Mewtwo fits the roll, check. Jiggs....maybe, but let's say Jiggs makes it. But wat if there is one more spot, who gets it=??? Pichu is dead, Deoxys is out, Groudon was retarted to begin with, so who fits it=??? LUCARIO!

(In 2006, Viz released a series of ten DVDs based around individual Pokémon in celebration of Pokémon's 10th anniversary in the United States. Jigglypuff was released as volume 2, with Pikachu being the first volume. The Pokémon featured were determined by an online poll; after Pikachu, Jigglypuff was the most popular and was therefore released second. Shes still popular here and has many fans in smash bros.)

Jiggs has lost it's popularity in Japan, and Japan only makes up 1/3rd or so of the sales. NA is where the REAL SALES ARE, and we hate the puff. So therefore Mewtwo is 2nd most popular, and the 3rd most popular....ahh it's either Charizard [confirmed] or Lucario=I'm just guessing.

(Jiggs lost it's popularity in Japan. And is this a fact. No you dont know if shes still popular in japan because you havent backed it up with anything. And yet again you say the US hates the puff when you havent backed it up with anything again.)

And you're taking this to extremes. Lucario is important in marketing the 4th gen, but no POKEMON IS REQUIRED OTHER THAN PIKACHU! F*** mewtwo, f*** Squirtle, f*** mew, f*** Lucario, PIKACHU IS WHERE THE merchendise money is at. If you take away the pika-factor and mewtwo-factor, then it's a toss up between a few Pokemon for the 3rd spot, but I believe Lucario takes it, being the 4th gens most popular Pokemon, which is set to be the best selling gen of all of them! So as far as we know Lucario could already be the 2nd most popular.

(Actually its looks like you are taking this extremely)

And answer my two questions already. No one is required in Brawl other than Diddy Kong. No one else is that big to Nintendo, just to the fans. But the fans are who make Nintendo, so that means this isn't true. That means they matter to Nintendo, and the fans want Lucario in Brawl, so Lucario will very likely be in Brawl.

(I sure as hell dont want him in)

-Johnknight1

Sorry i dont like to name call or start drama but this has to be the most ******** post i've seen.

 

[Stryks]

Darkkry have u NOT read the "answer my post" quotes I give to sandman, thats all of his stupidty in a single post, so its very powerful...

 

[_the_sandman_]

Darkkry have u NOT read the "answer my post" quotes I give to sandman, thats all of his stupidty in a single post, so its very powerful...

Seriously Styks, calm down. You're not even on Lucario's side at this point. You're just here for the sake of arguing. But more importantly you want to type in U FAIL all the time because you don't really have any proof to why I am ever wrong.

So I ignored you, can you blame me? You've been acting so childish since the very beginning. And You actually went outside of my thread to pick up your forum friends to bash on me. Its very obvious you have done this because some of them have already mentioned they know you.

The fact that you and your buddies spent all day yesterday, as well as today, bashing me even though I wasn't even here. That's sad, really sad. I apologize for having friends, a job, and a life outside of these forums.

And it looks like more and more people are finally admitting Lucario has no real purpose to the franchise, which proves my point. Smash is about all of the greatest franchises. So if Lucario has no meaning to the franchise then why would he even be in the game?

 

[pineappleupsetshark]

Apparently sandman continues to ignore the HUGE amount of merchandising on which Lucario appears. And he continues to use the whole "my friends haven't heard of him, so he isn't well known" argument. Which is probably the worst argument against Lucario ever.
Let's see why it's so stupid.
1. Accepting the premise that his friends have played Pokemon games, it's hard to imagine they could still be playing Pokemon, because Lucario is seen multiple times in Diamond and Pearl. Logically, only people who STILL play Pokemon should really be qualified to weigh in on Lucario. Which is why Black/Light is qualified, much as I am loathe to admit, and sandman is emphatically not.
2. Sandman's friends are not a good representation of the gaming community. His method of gathering information was amateurish to say the least. Perhaps he should have conducted an actual survey of all the gamers he knew even slightly.
3. We only have sandman's word that this bit of information is actually true.

 

[Kirby knight]

The question is irrelevant, because necessity is purely subjective.

Seriously Styks, calm down. You're not even on Lucario's side at this point. You're just here for the sake of arguing. But more importantly you want to type in U FAIL all the time because you don't really have any proof to why I am ever wrong.

So I ignored you, can you blame me? You've been acting so childish since the very beginning. And You actually went outside of my thread to pick up your forum friends to bash on me. Its very obvious you have done this because some of them have already mentioned they know you.

The fact that you and your buddies spent all day yesterday, as well as today, bashing me even though I wasn't even here. That's sad, really sad. I apologize for having friends, a job, and a life outside of these forums.

And it looks like more and more people are finally admitting Lucario has no real purpose to the franchise, which proves my point. Smash is about all of the greatest franchises. So if Lucario has no meaning to the franchise then why would he even be in the game?[/QUOTE]


Please read the above quote until it sinks in.

 

[Stryks]

Sad? U wont admit ur WRONG! u just dont fail here, ull fail at LIFE if u dont admit a loss in person...

yeah the people who are admitting lucario wont be in are anti-luario fans since day one >.>...

Woah wait i dont have any real proof where ur wrong?:

The other thing is he gives biased opinions:

Bowser jr is a filler in every mario game, but they should add petey...

He said Black knight is generic and shouldnt be added, hes refering to the name and status, then I say what about Pokemon trainer, isnt HE generic? and isnt an evil king (meaning ashnard) a generic role?

He ignores that and then He says they shouldnt add a character without showing facial expressions, meaning no Black knight, then I say what about samus? he ignores it and then says theres too MANY no expressions characters, which are just GAW and samus... how is that too many?

They shouldnt add bowser jr cause a father shouldnt fight his son, then I go: but mario and bowser can team up to take down peach, ganondorf and zelda can join to take down link, and so on, meaning that doesnt matter it smash...

He also goes that the character added will be from a single game, e.x. Zelda characters will only be TP characters... thus WW link cant get it due to his theory, which is BS... BUT he wants diddy even tough he didnt apepar in jungle beat, meaning his just prefering characters, his theory fails and everything he says is bias...

He then says they shouldnt add megaman cause hes blue, so? theres already too many human characters, and were BOUDN to get more....

He says we should add ryu instead, even tough capcom/megaman has more games, was part of the NES era like ryu, continues to appear in nintendo consoles and is the 2nd most wanted 3rd party, but STILL wants Ryu...

THEN he says they should add Ryu cause there isnt a REAL ninja, I say we dont have ONE FULL ROBOT in the game, but u want ANOTHER ninja?

He then says brawl will be diferent from melee, saying theyre wont be clones, yet says bowser jr would be to identical to bowser and krystal if he has the paintbrush, not only does he fails because what he said in the 1st place, but since he wants another ninja, hes going against his OWN words of brawl being diferent...

Also remember when he said we can't compare lucario with dedede sonic and others??

BUT he compared bowser jr with krystal saying he would fight too similar like krystal cause they both use long weapons (jr with his brush and krystal with her staff)

he ALSO said brawl us for everyone, YET they should only add 1st gen pkmn for the old school players and ignore the newest gen and the players of that gen...

Now hes saying: They shouldnt add lucario I mean is lucario NECESARY for brawl?

I ask: Is titania, ryu, ashnard, jiggly necesary?

U just keep failing in suprised you dont accidently crash urself to the screen when u want to sit down...

yeah that ways other wise...