ClarkJables
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hahah youve got 666 posts. also what is your opinion on the toad development...
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The Most Controversial Thread on the Site! (Originally the Anti-Lucario/Pro Squirtle)
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Stryks
Smash Hero
Styles aren't improtant, remember pikachu? he's cel shaded, and look at your beloved squirtle:
not cel shaded...
besides as long as its from the series, the character doesnt have to look realistic along with the other character of the series, the looks are the LEAST of the characters problem, and Im sure many will agree on that...
Again ur just speculating on saying:
All of the character of SF would have most likely to apepar in command
same goes for FE and pkmn...
NOTHING of that sorts has been confirmed, got any solid proof? no? then its not confirmed, just like lucario not being in brawl, thats not confirmed...
again a characters look is the least of the problem to be in the game, just because they have used TP designs, that doesnt mean they cant add the most used Y.link look since for the Y.link (AKA WW Link) in brawl...
not cel shaded...
besides as long as its from the series, the character doesnt have to look realistic along with the other character of the series, the looks are the LEAST of the characters problem, and Im sure many will agree on that...
Again ur just speculating on saying:
All of the character of SF would have most likely to apepar in command
same goes for FE and pkmn...
NOTHING of that sorts has been confirmed, got any solid proof? no? then its not confirmed, just like lucario not being in brawl, thats not confirmed...
again a characters look is the least of the problem to be in the game, just because they have used TP designs, that doesnt mean they cant add the most used Y.link look since for the Y.link (AKA WW Link) in brawl...
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I suppose. I just hate that argument. There are some decent points against all characters, including Lucario, but that one doesn't fly as far as I'm concerned.
ClarkJables
Smash Lord
thats why he said all i can do is guess. he just happens to have strong convictions for his opinionsStyles aren't improtant, remember pikachu? he's cel shaded, and look at your beloved squirtle:
not cel shaded...
besides as long as its from the series, the character doesnt have to look realistic along with the other character of the series, the looks are the LEAST of the characters problem, and Im sure many will agree on that...
Again ur just speculating on saying:
All of the character of SF would have most likely to apepar in command
same goes for FE and pkmn...
NOTHING of that sorts has been confirmed, got any solid proof? no? then its not confirmed, just like lucario not being in brawl, thats not confirmed...
again a characters look is the least of the problem to be in the game, just because they have used TP designs, that doesnt mean they cant add the most used Y.link look since for the Y.link (AKA WW Link) in brawl...
brawlpro
Smash Master
wait guyz...pikachu's cell shaded??? no he isn't...???
SmashRevenant
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Im sad now
GDhunter95
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Time is a factor of life. There's always a time concern no matter what you do. It becomes a problem when there's more things that need to be done then there is time to do it in. What I was saying earlier is that time is not an issue here because Sakurai has had more time then things he needed to do and is useing that extra time to do things he wants to do, like create the single player campaign. It's not that there is a limit. It's that the limit isn't the problem.
...and it doesn't change my arguement that it may have taken less time to make all three Pokemon for the Poke Trainer then another single character. Just because any one part may take less time, and any one part may take more time, which might balance out the equation so that everything is equal. Its just as possible that all parts of the problem take more time, or less time as the case may be, showing an even greater differance in the amount of time it takes to complete two differant character. Problems could arrise in the programing. Shortcuts may be found. Development time on Character A does not have to equal development time spent on Character B.
...and it doesn't change my arguement that it may have taken less time to make all three Pokemon for the Poke Trainer then another single character. Just because any one part may take less time, and any one part may take more time, which might balance out the equation so that everything is equal. Its just as possible that all parts of the problem take more time, or less time as the case may be, showing an even greater differance in the amount of time it takes to complete two differant character. Problems could arrise in the programing. Shortcuts may be found. Development time on Character A does not have to equal development time spent on Character B.
ClarkJables
Smash Lord
yah somin tells me nintendo would have let skaurai taken all the time in the world if he wanted to, mainly because that would make the game sell even more.
_the_sandman_
Smash Ace
How odd.... and it was about Zelda too. Anywho, I doubt Toad will become playable at this point. And I really hope Toadsworth will NOT be playable either. I'm still hoping for Petey Piranha to be honest, as strange as it sounds. Some people claim he will still be in, and I think they need to quit trying at this point. I mean, this aready happened when the Tom Nook crowd kept denying that Tom was in the background of a level.
Styles aren't improtant, remember pikachu? he's cel shaded, and look at your beloved squirtle:
not cel shaded...
besides as long as its from the series, the character doesnt have to look realistic along with the other character of the series, the looks are the LEAST of the characters problem, and Im sure many will agree on that...
Again ur just speculating on saying:
All of the character of SF would have most likely to apepar in command
same goes for FE and pkmn...
NOTHING of that sorts has been confirmed, got any solid proof? no? then its not confirmed, just like lucario not being in brawl, thats not confirmed...
again a characters look is the least of the problem to be in the game, just because they have used TP designs, that doesnt mean they cant add the most used Y.link look since for the Y.link (AKA WW Link) in brawl...
Seriously kid, quit saying Pikachu is cel shaded. Pikachu is NOT cel shaded. His fur texture makes him have a brighter and softer look. And seeing Squirtle there, he looks pretty soft and bright to me! I guess they have the same styles because they are both from THE SAME GAME!
I can't predict the future. But you shouldn't be denying the facts I have given you. Its really hard to believe you can't see that everything for Zelda so far have been similar to Twilight Princess. As well As DK being from Jungle Beat. Pokemon from Red/Blue, etc.
Stryks
Smash Hero
Dude that's a drawing of viewtiful joe, not an actual in game screenshot *sigh*
Pikachu is cel shaded, see her tail in one of her profile screenshots, and part of her body as well, notice the shading, thats what makes him cel shaded...
And YOU shouldnt be deniying the possibility of ANY character being in brawl, as long as they are popular, unique and have a role in their series, then they have a shot, Cel-shaded Link has the popyularity (is on the polls) a very diferent fighting style from the average link, hell not even the spin atatck is the same! and he is the official version of the Y.links in the zelda series, he can easily be a replacement of the Melee Y.link,,,
Pikachu is cel shaded, see her tail in one of her profile screenshots, and part of her body as well, notice the shading, thats what makes him cel shaded...
And YOU shouldnt be deniying the possibility of ANY character being in brawl, as long as they are popular, unique and have a role in their series, then they have a shot, Cel-shaded Link has the popyularity (is on the polls) a very diferent fighting style from the average link, hell not even the spin atatck is the same! and he is the official version of the Y.links in the zelda series, he can easily be a replacement of the Melee Y.link,,,
GDhunter95
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Care to explain what the theme for Mario is then?
_the_sandman_
Smash Ace
*Looks at Pikachu and Viewtiful Joe*
You... think they look the same? Listen, kid.... don't make up things just to cover yourself. Just move on from your cel-shaded argument because I think everyone in the world would say that these two look different.
Move on please....
brawlpro
Smash Master
dude, i think that pikachu is prolly the one ash has...and i'm pretty sure its a guy...i said its prolly the one ash has cause hell, that ones the most popular one...and i agree with you on the y. link stuff.
_the_sandman_
Smash Ace
Gladly! I figured someone would bring him up eventually.
My opinion of the Mario group is that they are going for their original styles, but with a better look. Mario, Peach, and Bowser have all looked the same since the beginning.
Fox as drastically changed over the years. Link has changed for the years as well. Many characters go through some type of change. Even Wario changed.
As for Mario and his group, they haven't changed. But its understandable that Brawl will make them look as spectacular as they possibly can be. Its still the same Mario, Peach, and Bowser since the beginning, but they have managed to look better for Brawl.
Stryks
Smash Hero
Dude its a drawing, a drawing =/= in game graphics...
Kid? Im supposedly 2 years younger than you, which I doubt u have that age since you dont use very logical statements, u may get one here and there, but most of them? no...
It's a drawing, I aint making stuff up, seriously ur flaming me cause your saying pikachu aint cel shading, in other words your saying I cant tell the diference between cel shade and normal graphics, u cant tell a drawing and an in game model apart!
exaclty! Zelda series has changed over the years, why not use the newest and more used Y.link version for Y.Link in brawl??
Kid? Im supposedly 2 years younger than you, which I doubt u have that age since you dont use very logical statements, u may get one here and there, but most of them? no...
It's a drawing, I aint making stuff up, seriously ur flaming me cause your saying pikachu aint cel shading, in other words your saying I cant tell the diference between cel shade and normal graphics, u cant tell a drawing and an in game model apart!
exaclty! Zelda series has changed over the years, why not use the newest and more used Y.link version for Y.Link in brawl??
brawlpro
Smash Master
ww link wasn't really supposed to be y. link...k, here are the pics u can compare whether its cell shaded or not...
plz don't quote this since its soo big...i just wanna make sure if you ppl agree if pika's cel-shaded or not.
plz don't quote this since its soo big...i just wanna make sure if you ppl agree if pika's cel-shaded or not.
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I hate to comment on this since I'm kind of on your side with the Lucario issue, but I gotta. That picture of Viewtiful Joe may be a drawing, but it might as well be in-game graphics. That's exactly how he looks in the game.
Pikachu isn't cel-shaded. I don't think the characters-from-the-same-series-must-have-the-same-style argument is all that accurate, but the fact remains.
_the_sandman_
Smash Ace
They just look so different to me. I don't know, I might be seeing things.... I guess they're both cel shaded, I might mistake them as clones.
Did you ever play Viewtiful Joe? That game style looks nothing like the Pokemon we have seen so far. Pikachu and Squirtle both look like they belong to the same world, I really don't know how you can't see it.
And why would Pikachu's style effect anything about WW Link? Twilight Link looks too different than the style of WW Link. If they are from the same world THEY SHOULD LOOK THE SAME.
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Black/Light
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. . .C.F os the star of one of nintendo's better known racing games. Thats why he got in.. . .
Stryks
Smash Hero
Thats the thing, WW wolrd =/= TP, dont you know the time line? WW takes place in the future of OoT, were ganondorf was imprisoned, and TP take splace in the past of OoT were Y.link returned to, and thus ganondorf was the one in TP, was held by the sages, stabbed with the sword of sages for his crimes yada yada yada and u know the rest...
Their DIFERENT worlds, but theyre THE SAME SERIES, just because opne looks diferent from the other, we cant add it cause one is realistic, and one if cartoony...
I know viewtiful joe graphics, those and WW graphics are similair, pikachu is cel shaded but not to the extreme that is WW or VJ, hes part cel shaded for its light shading, anyway thats a drawing...
Squirtle has more graphic-ness than pikachu, hes nto cel-shaded or part cel-shaded like pikachu...
anyway what im triying to say is:
TP realism doesnt affect the chances of WW link, and being the most used link in existence, being in brawl...
Their DIFERENT worlds, but theyre THE SAME SERIES, just because opne looks diferent from the other, we cant add it cause one is realistic, and one if cartoony...
I know viewtiful joe graphics, those and WW graphics are similair, pikachu is cel shaded but not to the extreme that is WW or VJ, hes part cel shaded for its light shading, anyway thats a drawing...
Squirtle has more graphic-ness than pikachu, hes nto cel-shaded or part cel-shaded like pikachu...
anyway what im triying to say is:
TP realism doesnt affect the chances of WW link, and being the most used link in existence, being in brawl...
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Yes, I realize this. My point is that a character doesn't need to be know by everyon to get into Smash. To this day, I would not know who Captain Falcon is if he hadn't been in Smash Bros. The "I hadn't heard of Lucario before joining these boards" argument doesn't fly. If you don't like Lucario, fine, but give a better reason for not wanting him in.
brawlpro
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how the **** are these drawings...? o and if your talkin about vj, then i could go and take my time to post one of his pics as well...that aren't drawings. And if i'm understandin you correctly stryks, your sayin this is a first cel-shaded type(being "half cel-shaded"...you said the same thing for squirtle(i think)
Pikachu isn't cell shaded... and Pikachu is a boy...
Black/Light
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. . .. Who every says Pike is cell-shaded needs to get thier eyes checked.
Pike clearly has gradation between shades of color (vules) on his model. He is just very bright yellow.
Pike clearly has gradation between shades of color (vules) on his model. He is just very bright yellow.
_the_sandman_
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Umm... Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf are different people in every game. Its just the "age old" story about reincarnation of the three powers of Courage, Wisdom, and Power.
Besides if the Zelda SERIES for Brawl is being represented by the Princess Twilight game, then why would we need to mix the WW style into the TP group? It wouldn't make sense to me.
Pikachu's style and Link's style are supposed to look different because their styles and series are different.
brawlpro
Smash Master
pika's just bright...
Stryks
Smash Hero
You must have not played WW then, WW ganondorf is the same one of OoT, only fat... and cell shaded...
and who says Twilight princess (not princess twilight) is the only one representing the game? Again ur making stuff up with only info given so far, in other words ur speculating, nothing of that sort is confirmed, and the facts remain, WW Link cartooniness doesnt affect his chances being in brawl...
and who says Twilight princess (not princess twilight) is the only one representing the game? Again ur making stuff up with only info given so far, in other words ur speculating, nothing of that sort is confirmed, and the facts remain, WW Link cartooniness doesnt affect his chances being in brawl...
_the_sandman_
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Pokemon should be bright and colorful. Zelda should look detailed and grungy.
I mean look at Pikachu, Squirtle, Trainer, Ivysaur, and Charizard. They all look like they are from the same world. Link, Zelda, and possibly Ganondorf look like they came from the same world as well.
That's the fun thing about Brawl. Nintendo worlds are all mixing up into one spot. Styles, abilities, levels, and characters are all mixing up.
Just the thought of Link, Snake, Pikachu, and Bowser all fighting on Yoshi's Island will be so exciting to me because all of the different art styles are clashing in one spot!
And its "you're" not "ur". Geez, why would you attack the fact I mixed two words up when you can't spell "you're" out?
I mean look at Pikachu, Squirtle, Trainer, Ivysaur, and Charizard. They all look like they are from the same world. Link, Zelda, and possibly Ganondorf look like they came from the same world as well.
That's the fun thing about Brawl. Nintendo worlds are all mixing up into one spot. Styles, abilities, levels, and characters are all mixing up.
Just the thought of Link, Snake, Pikachu, and Bowser all fighting on Yoshi's Island will be so exciting to me because all of the different art styles are clashing in one spot!
And its "you're" not "ur". Geez, why would you attack the fact I mixed two words up when you can't spell "you're" out?
Black/Light
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Yea, but you are comparing a star of a series to a random pokemon in the games.
And not knowing what something was before coming to this preticular (sp) forum is actually a valid reason to not support it or to feel that its really not as popular outside this forum.
Being popular =/= get into brawl free card and not being popular =/= no chance at brawl. Simple as that. . . . Sakurai does what ever he wants.
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I realize this, but the point I'm trying to make still stands—Not everyone needs to know of the existence of a character for that character to appear in Brawl.
It's a valid reason not to support the character, for sure. I'm not expecting anyone to support a character they know nothing about. It is not, however, a valid reason to say that a character cannot be in the game.And not knowing what something was before coming to this preticular (sp) forum is actually a valid reason to not support it or to feel that its really not as popular outside this forum.
I agree 100%.
Stryks
Smash Hero
JUST because of Twilight princess?Sorry if Im mistaken, but most of the Zelda are cartoony:
Zelda
Zelda 2
Link to the past
Game boy Zeldas
Wind Waker
Phantom Hourglass...
Just because the newest installment is being use for the main 3 characters (link zelda and possibly ganondorf if he returns, which is pretty obvious he aint going anywhere) thats doesnt mean they cant use the most used Y.link to add to the roster, even if his look is cartoony, if they can add cartoony character like yoshi and kirby, they can add one for LOZ, even tough kirby and yoshi aint Zeldas, WW style Link is used much more and has such uniqueness, popularity and the main roles in more videogames that can easilly be used to replace the Melee Y.link...
Legolastom
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Well actually the split time line theory is correct (Or more specifically confirmed) you see it go's like this...
In OOT when Link left to world of the future to go back into the past Ganondorf was still imprisoned and such and well a few hundred years later he comes back (Que WW).
But in the world Link returned to (The past) he told the king (Or whoever) about Ganondorf and all his evil and... you know the rest (Stabbed with the light sword by the sages).
Now look that is two different worlds (Time lines/ dimensions really).
O yhea and seriously that IS a drawing... not saying he doesn't look similar to that but you cant compare a drawing to an in game picture
And seriously the main reason to use the TP style is because... they honestly couldn't use any other style, The WW versions are kids so of course that wouldn't fit and using the OOT versions wouldn't make any sense (Out dated and not as detailed as the TP version). Now if Y.Link was to return why not use his WW style? i mean you cant really say anything about style mixing in smash bros can you? i mean Ike vs Pikachu? very radical style change if you ask me.
Now back to Lucario how can his style be any different to the current Pokemon anyway? its not like the series style has changed much anyway.
bloodvayne
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WW Style Link was only used for 4 1/2 games, definitely not much more used than the other versions.
There is Classic Link, brownish hair, used in every game up to OoT
OoT Link, a child and adult version, used in Most of the games since OoT
WW Link, Wind Waker, the 1 1/2 four swords games, Minish Cap, and Phantom Hourglass (as it's a sequel)
Even if that logic wasn't true, how does "WW style Link is used much more and has such uniqueness" make any sense? If he's used more as you say, how is he unique?
Legolastom
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He wasn't relating his uniqueness to how much he was used and WW is the Link that is bringing back Japan for the Zelda series... so you know who Sakurai is trying to please don't you? thats right European Japanese gamers.
Princess Diana
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Umm I think most people were arguing about you saying that pikachu was Cel Shaded... >_>;
brawlpro
Smash Master
wow...styrks...is gettin flammed soo much here(well, disliked)...can you guys stop flammin...and forget he ever said that stuff cause its gettin a lil annoying watching ppl post the same thing over and over again, i think he got nuff hate(don't take my words offensively stryks, i like your sigz)
Stryks
Smash Hero
Seriously sandman, if u havent played WW, what gives you right to judge WW links chances??? play WW, his moves are completely different from TP links moves... besides he's also a comic-relief character... just 2 name a few...
brawlpro
Smash Master
well, it isn't completly different...the moveset...
and ww link can be a nice alt costume...well guyz lets get back to talkin about squirtle, i think they should have added trecko instead.
and ww link can be a nice alt costume...well guyz lets get back to talkin about squirtle, i think they should have added trecko instead.
Legolastom
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Well actually WW Link does have a lot of unique items and the moves which are the same are usually very different.
And WW Link being an alternative costume would be like having peach as Bowser alternative costume.
And WW Link being an alternative costume would be like having peach as Bowser alternative costume.
silver777
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Zelda 1\ Zelda 2
ocarina\majora
ww\ four sowrds\ four sowrds adventures\ minish cap \ phantom hourglass
the cel-shaded link IS the most used style.
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