The Most Controversial Thread on the Site! (Originally the Anti-Lucario/Pro Squirtle)

[Stryks]

Bowser Jr.

Well, he’s a whiny little crybaby for starters. You really want to listen to him squeal about how he lost every time you KO him?

Anywho, something about Bowser fighting his son kind of seems weird to me. Something really just doesn’t feel right with that type of situation. The last thing I want to hear is how “Bowser Jr. is better than Bowser”.

Besides he isn’t one of the original Mario characters. His role in the series is becoming more and more insignificant each game. He was merely a speed bump before you got to Bowser in New Mario Bros, while Petey Piranha actually managed to become a boss.

He is too similar to Bowser, or when he transforms he is too similar to Mario. I don’t care if he has a paintbrush and I don’t care if Delfino Island is a level. Its my opinion, and I say keep Jr out of Brawl. 4 characters on the Mario team is enough.

Oh the Irony, you say all that, but you use to say they should add petey, I mean cmon
You say that brawl will be diferent in melee cause brawl will not have clones, and YET you say bowser jr wil lbe way to similair to bowser? Umm FAIL?
Your not considering the paint bursh even tough its one of his main weapons, its like you dont give krystal her staff, if you dont she may just be another space animal and yet you want her to have the staff to be unique, ok true she should have that, so why not give Jr his paintbursh to be way unique and to break the Jr = bowser clone theory?
Your just playing favorites, u like the character and defend it, but when it comes to a character you dont like, with the same possibilities to be unique like the character you DO want and you bash him... you make no sense...

Lucas

Well lets assume Ness will make a reappearance. He DID appear in the past two Smash Bros. AND his game actually went outside of Japan. Not to mention that Sakurai doesn’t want to put in any “Japan only” characters (Everyone has been saying it. It must be true). And the Franklin Badge has confirmed that something from a Mother game will be reappearing.

So it’s a safe bet Ness will be back. But according to my theory, that means only the Earthbound cast would be able to make it in! So If Ness is in, it’s a good bet that Paula or Jeff could get in! I’m not so sure about Poo though, nothing against him, but the other two can give the game some interesting twists. (Like giving Ness’s PK Fire, Thunder, and Magnet to Paula so he can actually use his own moves for once. Jeff could give us some sweet inventions too!)

As for the Mother 3 cast. They are Japan only and they aren’t part of the same game Ness is in. So I believe it would be pretty unlikely that Lucas or Claus will bother to show up on the roster.

U fail automatically with the 1st paragraph
Sakurai mentioned he didnt want MANY japan only, he didnt say he didnt want a single on of them in brawl, with that said, the Devil as an AT break your theory, even tough not playable, hes japan only...
Sakurai was PLANNING to replace Lucas with Ness, why? Cause Mother 3 was about to be released, and since Lucas is now the star of the Mother series, and has similair abilities, he could be an ok replacement, but he didnt add him cause the game got delayed, and thus sakurai kept Ness, with the game now released, whats stopping sakurai to add Lucas now??
Claus is on the polls, and is like your beloved Ahnard:
OMG HE LOOKS SO AWESOME HE SHOULD BE ADED CAUS EOF HIS GREATNESS!! thing is Claus is lucas bother, but become some cyborg or something, and given a sword, Earthbound doesn thave any sword characters, and with his popularity in japan, it would break the mold of Mother = Psychic characters,..

WW link

If you actually read my theory, then this should make sense to you. If the Zelda Team is consisted of a group of characters that all revolve around the TP style, then a WW style wouldn’t make sense at all. It would be Twilight Link, Twilight Zelda, Twilight Ganondorf, Twilight Princess Levels, and then.... WW Link? If Sakurai is making everyone in their groups all look alike, then why would we need a powerpuff girl wanna-be appear in a group of detailed, grungy characters?

Not to mention the fact that he is too similar to Link... well... he IS Link. Many have said he could use a Deku Leaf, Nuts, some other lame weapon. But many have forgotten the basic weapon Link uses. A Sword. If there were two Links, then that would mean he would have to divide his abilities again like he did in Melee. We could have one fantastic Link, or two mediocre Links.... I really would prefer there only being one Link.

Ok Ill just say this one last time:
Have u played the Game WW? If not then WHAT GIVES YOU RIGHT TO JUDGE WW LINKS CHANCES WHEN YOU KNOW SQUAT ABOUT HIM?
Lame weapons? Oh yeah a boomerang and an arrow are so brethtaking... WW Links fights way diferently from the average Link, instead of the usual attacks OoT Link and TP link perform (not counting TP special attacks) WW. Link fights co0mpletely diferent, diferent sword attacks, dodge-and-attack moves, and its unique Hurrican spin attacks, that can Be easily a <>B move...
Like someone before me, Silver I believe proved, the WW link style is the most used Link style to date, and just because they have only shown TP style characters and ONE stage, u automatically asuume sakurai cant show anything WW related? if so then u can pretty much kiss Sonic and any other 3rd party goodbye cause sakurai hasnt showed anything about them! yeah, yeah no dedede either, since we got metaknight kirby and halberd, SAKURAI CANT POSSIBLY SHOW ANYMORE KIRBY STUFF!
WW is a ZELDA series game, and just because it AINT TP, it doesnt mean it cant be added, since like I said, its brawl is a game of multiple series and their characters duking it out, not a game about one particular game per series and theyre characters duking it out...

Stafy

Listen, this guys is a nobody. Trust me you don’t want him.

I was going to give an explanation why he shouldn’t be in, but it makes me sick to my stomach seeing so many people compare him to Kirby....ugh....

Seriously! Why would people do that to Kirby!? What has he ever done to you!?

Ok this guys a nobody huh? Yeah that would make sense how he appeared on the polls and how titania didn't, yeah...
Sakurai IS adding japanese only character, but he wont do it to such etent that brawl is filled with them, he will only add a few, and this guy is one of japans most popular, I know I dont know squat about him, but I dont deny the facts about him making it in:
popular, and is one of the few japan onlys they could add that is known in america, and did I mentioend hes on the poll?

Titania
I can’t believe the lack of support for this character! She was one of the coolest characters in Fire Emblem!

If my theory is correct, then we should be seeing more characters from Ike’s game. So why not have some more unique weapons added into the roster? Come on, it’s a woman that uses an axe for a weapon. How cool is that!?

Ok now ur just being ********, JUST BECAUSE THEY SHOW IKE THEYRE JUST USING PoR CHARACTERS?!
Need I remind you Ike is one, if not THE most popular lords in FE? thats one of the main reasons he was added, also, he ALSO appeared in Goddess of dawn, once again playable, this shows his importance to the series, what role did titania had? I doubt one big enough to be added to an ALL STAR game...

Ashnard
Speaking of breathtaking... take a look at this guy! Seriously, just gaze upon his greatness....

Done? Well that’s Ashnard, the main antagonist from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance! You want a villain with sheer raw power? This guy can fit into that mold quite nicely. Someone needs to compare to the strength Bowser and Ganondorf have to offer, and only Ashnard can fit that roll.

Black Knight? Psh... too generic for me. Give us Ashnard!

Don’t the flags on Castle Siege show dragons on them? Isn’t that a Fire Emblem level? Hmmm...

Ok now your just looking for ANYTHING to "prove" this guy cant be in:
The flags have dragon like symbols!
Please sakurai said the castle doesnt represent any stage in particular, its just a plain normal castle, meaning the flags mean nothing...
ANYWAY, black knight generic? im guessing u mean the name right, If I remember correctly, u didnt want:
This winner is... Black Knight!
Ok so if black knigth is generic... ISNT POKEMON TRAINER GENERIC TOO?! I mean there are MILLIONS of pokemon trainers, and sakurai just placed a pokemont traine rin brawl, meaning the "generic" naming is NOT A FACTOR IN BRAWL...
Besides, Black knight is Ikes ARCH nemesis, he KILLED his father, and returned in GoD, and now playable, if Im correct, its the 1st time a boss appeares tiwce, and the 1st time one is playable, dont know about you, but why would they do that to a character who aint important? and just because ur ahsnard "looks" awesome (I wasnt a bit intrigued by him) means he has a spot in brawl...


And again, ur saying X character will NOT be in brawl, got any SOLID proof? a letter from sakurai? anything? THEN ITS NOT CONFIRMED...

 

[bloodvayne]

O RLY?

dude....Ocarina =/= oracles =/= zelda3 =/= TP .......seriously.....

Zelda1/Zelda2

a link to the past/link's awakening

ocarina/majora

Oracle of seasons/Ages

WW/ four swords adventures / minish cap / phantom hourglass

The only difference in the one from LttP and LA is a belt buckle, so if you're going minor differences, Minish Cap should be taken off the WW list, because of the Bird..., and Four Swords Adventrues should be because of the different colors. You didn't mention the 3 off the wall games I did. And okay, I see your point of OoA and OoS not being with the OoT Link, but then goes more with the LttP and LA. And yes, TP is still using the OoT model, just with updated graphics (I'm considering the adult Link and Young Link the same models, since they're both in OoT).

So, I'll update my list to conform to your standards.

Zelda/Zelda II/Faces of Evil/Wand of Gamelon/Zelda's Adventure

A Link to the Past/Link's Awakening/Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages

Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess

WW/Phantom Hourglass

Four Swords Adventures

Minish Cap

still isn't the most used..., even if FSA and MC were on the WW list, still wouldn't be

 

[Legolastom]

Faces of Evil/Wand of Gamelon/Zelda's Adventure

YOU SICK *******!!

 

[brawlpro]

stryks don't post stuff that long...you know we aren't gonna read sumthin like that unless its a guide...

 

[ylink_underestimted]

stryks don't post stuff that long...you know we aren't gonna read sumthin like that unless its a guide...

well not everyone wont read it. i read them sh**. i just like to see what points he makes. besides, if no one reads them, wuts the point of this thread? besides stating the opinion that Lucario and some others shouldnt be in Brawl, other people like to contradict. and when people like to contradict, sometimes they go through lengths to "prove" something.

 

[brawlpro]

they are too long is my point, the point of a thread is to see more than ones thoughts, his thought was too big...
i'm sayin shorten it up...

 

[ylink_underestimted]

yea he could shorten it up...i guess its because sandman n him are always arguing that they go through lengths to post stuff like that...

 

[Conker1]

*Stuff*

Almost the Worst post ever.....

He didn't say Petey should be a character, he said Petey was more important than Bowser Jr. And when you're less important than Petey....well you're ****ed.

Lucas is too similar to Ness in both moves and look. I really do believe one or the other will be in, not both. Although alternate costumes could fix that.

WW Link is by far the absolute WORST character suggestion. Worse than Fierce Deity Link. Worse than Petey Piranha. Worse than a Goomba..you get the idea. Why get another character who is the exact same as a character already in the game except he has a different art style? While we're at it lets add Paper Mario, 8-bit Mario, Anime Pikachu, Original Donkey Kong, etc.


I do, however, agree with you that Stafy should be in the game and there shouldn't be any more FE characters besides Ike and Marth.



Lucario Sucks, he's just a random Pokemon and is one of the worse designs of the 4th gen.

 

[Circus]

Almost the Worst post ever.....

He didn't say Petey should be a character, he said Petey was more important than Bowser Jr. And when you're less important than Petey....well you're ****ed.

Actually, Sandman's said in the past that he wants Petey in Brawl.

Lucario Sucks, he's just a random Pokemon and is one of the worse designs of the 4th gen.

I'd consider him to be one of the few saving graces of the 4th gen (many of the pokemon designs for the 4th gen are indeed sub-par, in my opinion).

But, to each their own, I suppose.

 

[brawlpro]

all these sinoh pkmn look messed up, lucario seems like he can fight well in a game like smash bros...

.........sonicmario, guess i owe you, and edit that stuff you quoted!!!

 

[SonicMario]

Done, and Forgotten

 

[brawlpro]

well, you can edit your post now so it can be forgotten...

 

[Circus]

You really shouldn't say that. This could cause a "Posting Race" or "Post War" that could possibly get you or NRWC banned. I've seen something related although it was more of a "Flame War" instead. (Hint: It was between RDK & Fawriel in the Original Smashbros.com Thread)

Ooooo, sorry I missed that. Those are two of my favorite people.

To keep any kind of banning from happening, I'll concede defeat before the race starts.

 

[StevenM]

WW Link is by far the absolute WORST character suggestion.

Beg to differ. Some asshat suggested the Happy Mask Salesman from the N64 Zelda games.

 

[brawlpro]

yo circus, forget bout that stuff. and ww link IS cool...who the HELL suggested that whack mask guy? what would he do, peek- a - boo?

 

[drewdizzal]

WW Link is by far the absolute WORST character suggestion.

lemme ask you one question....

Have you ever played the GOD **** game????

And if you have played the game and still think he'd be a lame character for brawl, then you sir have NO taste.

 

[Frogla]

Really though just cause you dont like it you cant dubunk the D/P Popularity. Google how many copies they sold in the first week alone. I am a Munchlax Supporter over Lucario.

But Basically your hating him because he's a fighting type. Remember Jigglypuff she was a normal type, so dont even go saying other types should be represented because "Quite Frankly Dear i Dont Give a ****" Yeah i like that qoute but anyway point holds.

 

[Bassoonist]

WW Link is by far the absolute WORST character suggestion. Worse than Fierce Deity Link. Worse than Petey Piranha. Worse than a Goomba..you get the idea. Why get another character who is the exact same as a character already in the game except he has a different art style? While we're at it lets add Paper Mario, 8-bit Mario, Anime Pikachu, Original Donkey Kong, etc.

I don't think you get it. WW Link could have a whole new moveset. I don't really want him in, though. I think Wind Waker would be best repped with a stage, like Majora's Mask was in Melee.

8-bit Mario, Anime Pikachu, and Original Donkey Kong are different, they really aren't that different from their selves in the game. I argue this in defense of Paper Mario as well. Paper Mario could have a unique moveset as well!

 

[Vali]

WW Link is by far the absolute WORST character suggestion. Worse than Fierce Deity Link. Worse than Petey Piranha. Worse than a Goomba..you get the idea. Why get another character who is the exact same as a character already in the game except he has a different art style?

What you mean WW Link that is the latest representation of "Young Link" who happens to be the Link you play as in every single Zelda game except for TP and the future in OOT? The WW Link that could draw from so many different moves from previous Zelda games as well as some of the more unique ones from WW and the ones sure to be found in PH (if only they'd hurry up with releasing it everywhere bar Japan I could more accurately describe what those would be)? The WW Link that has the potential to be much much more than "a Link clone"?

Worse than FDL, Petey and a Goomba? Your ignorant bias is disgusting.

 

[silver777]

The only difference in the one from LttP and LA is a belt buckle

Link in a Link to the past is the same person in LA, just like Ocarina Link is the same as Majora....holds true to WW Link and PH . these games are squeals to each others.


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so if you're going minor differences, Minish Cap should be taken off the WW list, because of the Bird..., and Four Swords Adventrues should be because of the different colors.

are you serious?!? tell me you are joking

just look at them !! THEY ARE IDENTICAL !!! SAME ****** STYLE !!

TP is still using the OoT model, just with updated graphics (I'm considering the adult Link and Young Link the same models, since they're both in OoT).

no they aren't . TP looks nothing like Ocarina. are you saying this because they aren't using cartoony art style??

Ocarina =/= TP

So, I'll update my list to conform to your standards.

Zelda/Zelda II/Faces of Evil/Wand of Gamelon/Zelda's Adventure

sorry i denies these games exists .

A Link to the Past/Link's Awakening/Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages

the style is different between them, I don't see the connection.

Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess

Ocarina =/= TP dammit!

WW/Phantom Hourglass

Four Swords Adventures

Minish Cap

see above. they are identical, sheesh.

still isn't the most used..., even if FSA and MC were on the WW list, still wouldn't be

yes it is, you are lying to your self if you believe other wise.

 

[brawlpro]

lol quadruplets!!!
i haven't played 4 swords, zit any good?

 

[raphtmarqui]

Even tho WWlink could get a unique moveset, im not sure i really want him playable

 

[silver777]

Even tho WWlink could get a unique moveset, im not sure i really want him playable

that not what we are debating here. he says that the cel-shaded is not the most art style used...which is, unless he is blind, it is.

 

[Stryks]

Almost the Worst post ever.....

He didn't say Petey should be a character, he said Petey was more important than Bowser Jr. And when you're less important than Petey....well you're ****ed.

Lucas is too similar to Ness in both moves and look. I really do believe one or the other will be in, not both. Although alternate costumes could fix that.

WW Link is by far the absolute WORST character suggestion. Worse than Fierce Deity Link. Worse than Petey Piranha. Worse than a Goomba..you get the idea. Why get another character who is the exact same as a character already in the game except he has a different art style? While we're at it lets add Paper Mario, 8-bit Mario, Anime Pikachu, Original Donkey Kong, etc.


I do, however, agree with you that Stafy should be in the game and there shouldn't be any more FE characters besides Ike and Marth.



Lucario Sucks, he's just a random Pokemon and is one of the worse designs of the 4th gen.

Thing is petey AINT more important than Jr, Jr has had multiple main roles in marios games, being Sunshine and New SMB, what does petey have? a simple boss in sunshine and I dont know if he appears in New SMB, he called Jr a loser cause hes just a filler in sports games, BUT petey AINT a loser, aint petey ALSO a filler in posrts games? and besides like I said jr has had more roles than petey, making him more important...

And HOW exactly is WW link the WORSE suggestion? I mean he has had 2 apeparances now, figths WAY diferently from the average link, and is the portable zelda look they use now, having more appearances than any other look...
Fox is worse than squirtle, worse than tingle, worse than andross, worse than pichu and worse than Bush! Just becaus eI say it doesnt make it true now does it? same goes with you...

 

[Kabyk-Greenmyst]

For the millionth time: WW LINK IS NOT ADULT LINK(TP, OoT)!!! It's been explained just as many times, so I ain't repeating it.

Fire Emblem deserves near as much rep as the other top franchises represented. How many of the other franchises have made 10 games and still going strong, maybe even getting MORE popular?? ....what did you say? not many? That's what I thought.
It's obvious FE is NOT only FE9 [FE10] because of Castle Siege.

I do, however, agree on Lucario not being in Brawl. I don't care if the original 151 are getting a ridiculous amount of rep and the following generations are getting jacksh*t. the original 151 deserver their spots in Brawl, and the others are all just to milk the series as much as possible, especially looking at the new ones, they're mashed together shapes and combinations of older ones. DNA type? are you kidding me??

 

[_the_sandman_]

Yes... yes I have suggested Petey in the past. I did say I wanted him in Brawl. I would REALLY like Petey in Brawl. But the fact is, he can't compare to Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser. In fact no other character can compare to the original four. So I didn't add Petey into my list because its unlikely at this point he will be in.

Though Petey has a much better chance than Geno, Waluigi, Bowser Jr, and Daisy. He has appeared in more games than the rest of them. And his role at this point has been proven to be more important than Bowser Jr's. Not to mention he would give more personalty into the game!


As for WW Link, this is my opinion.

Keep Kirby cartoony, keep Yoshi cartoony, and Pokemon cartoony as well. Several series can have a bright and cuddly feel to them, which is fine. As for the Zelda series, they are completely fine having a grungy and serious look to them. It works perfectly for them. There isn't a fantasy-realistic group for smash other than Zelda. (Fire Emblem is a bit more anime-ish) So keep the realism to Zelda, keep the cartoon appearence for Kirby.

What next? Is everyone going to be asking for Snake to wear Banana-pajamas?

Also, I just added in Dark Samus to the list.

 

[007flash]

What about Ridley? He plays a vital role in all of the metroid games. Besides, and DO NOT say a character from a different game such as WW Link from TP Link Because THEY ARE TROPHIES!!!! Remember Dr. Mario? He IS Mario, but he EXISTS as a seperate character since HE IS A TROPHIE!!!!

 

[_the_sandman_]

What about Ridley? He plays a vital role in all of the metroid games. Besides, and DO NOT say a character from a different game such as WW Link from TP Link Because THEY ARE TROPHIES!!!! Remember Dr. Mario? He IS Mario, but he EXISTS as a seperate character since HE IS A TROPHIE!!!!

I strongly believe Ridley will be in the game. I just love the big guy! Anyone that believes Ridley shouldn't be in would be making a fool out of themselves!

There isn't much to discuss when everyone wants him in Brawl. Don't worry I have NOTHING against Ridley. I just didn't add him because there was no need to.

 

[Bassoonist]

As for WW Link, this is my opinion.

Keep Kirby cartoony, keep Yoshi cartoony, and Pokemon cartoony as well. Several series can have a bright and cuddly feel to them, which is fine. As for the Zelda series, they are completely fine having a grungy and serious look to them. It works perfectly for them. There isn't a fantasy-realistic group for smash other than Zelda. (Fire Emblem is a bit more anime-ish) So keep the realism to Zelda, keep the cartoon appearence for Kirby.

What next? Is everyone going to be asking for Snake to wear Banana-pajamas?

You obviously don't get it. WW Link was a direction Nintendo chose, not us. Snake wearing Banana-pajamas is a ridiculous comparison. Solid Snake's creator didn't create that, however Nintendo created cel shaded Link. Nintendo CHOSE to take away the "grungy and serious look".

Don't be surprised if WW Link makes it in. I wouldn't be.

 

[_the_sandman_]

You obviously don't get it. WW Link was a direction Nintendo chose, not us. Snake wearing Banana-pajamas is a ridiculous comparison. Solid Snake's creator didn't create that, however Nintendo created cel shaded Link. Nintendo CHOSE to take away the "grungy and serious look".

Don't be surprised if WW Link makes it in. I wouldn't be.

Yeah but this is Sakurai's game. What he says, goes! And to me it looks like he went down the Twilight Path.

Seriously, the list would go like this. TP Link, TP Zelda, TP Ganondorf, WW Link.

It makes no sense to me at all....

And Snake in Banana-pajamas makes perfect sense to me when people try to convince me WW Link should be in.

 

[Loooooni]

Yes... yes I have suggested Petey in the past. I did say I wanted him in Brawl. I would REALLY like Petey in Brawl. But the fact is, he can't compare to Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser. In fact no other character can compare to the original four. So I didn't add Petey into my list because its unlikely at this point he will be in.

Though Petey has a much better chance than Geno, Waluigi, Bowser Jr, and Daisy. He has appeared in more games than the rest of them. And his role at this point has been proven to be more important than Bowser Jr's. Not to mention he would give more personalty into the game!

REALLY? He's more important? Since when? Bowser Jr. and Geno were much more important. Petey was a small boss that two seconds to beat. TELL ME HOW IS THAT IMPORTANT. Oh and pm it to me since I will never visit this excuss of a thread again.

 

[brawlpro]

i will be surprised if ww link makes it, hell i'll be surprised on every character!

 

[Stryks]

Sandman in case you missed it:

Bowser Jr.

Well, he’s a whiny little crybaby for starters. You really want to listen to him squeal about how he lost every time you KO him?

Anywho, something about Bowser fighting his son kind of seems weird to me. Something really just doesn’t feel right with that type of situation. The last thing I want to hear is how “Bowser Jr. is better than Bowser”.

Besides he isn’t one of the original Mario characters. His role in the series is becoming more and more insignificant each game. He was merely a speed bump before you got to Bowser in New Mario Bros, while Petey Piranha actually managed to become a boss.

He is too similar to Bowser, or when he transforms he is too similar to Mario. I don’t care if he has a paintbrush and I don’t care if Delfino Island is a level. Its my opinion, and I say keep Jr out of Brawl. 4 characters on the Mario team is enough.

Oh the Irony, you say all that, but you use to say they should add petey, I mean cmon
You say that brawl will be diferent in melee cause brawl will not have clones, and YET you say bowser jr wil lbe way to similair to bowser? Umm FAIL?
Your not considering the paint bursh even tough its one of his main weapons, its like you dont give krystal her staff, if you dont she may just be another space animal and yet you want her to have the staff to be unique, ok true she should have that, so why not give Jr his paintbursh to be way unique and to break the Jr = bowser clone theory?
Your just playing favorites, u like the character and defend it, but when it comes to a character you dont like, with the same possibilities to be unique like the character you DO want and you bash him... you make no sense...

Lucas

Well lets assume Ness will make a reappearance. He DID appear in the past two Smash Bros. AND his game actually went outside of Japan. Not to mention that Sakurai doesn’t want to put in any “Japan only” characters (Everyone has been saying it. It must be true). And the Franklin Badge has confirmed that something from a Mother game will be reappearing.

So it’s a safe bet Ness will be back. But according to my theory, that means only the Earthbound cast would be able to make it in! So If Ness is in, it’s a good bet that Paula or Jeff could get in! I’m not so sure about Poo though, nothing against him, but the other two can give the game some interesting twists. (Like giving Ness’s PK Fire, Thunder, and Magnet to Paula so he can actually use his own moves for once. Jeff could give us some sweet inventions too!)

As for the Mother 3 cast. They are Japan only and they aren’t part of the same game Ness is in. So I believe it would be pretty unlikely that Lucas or Claus will bother to show up on the roster.

U fail automatically with the 1st paragraph
Sakurai mentioned he didnt want MANY japan only, he didnt say he didnt want a single on of them in brawl, with that said, the Devil as an AT break your theory, even tough not playable, hes japan only...
Sakurai was PLANNING to replace Lucas with Ness, why? Cause Mother 3 was about to be released, and since Lucas is now the star of the Mother series, and has similair abilities, he could be an ok replacement, but he didnt add him cause the game got delayed, and thus sakurai kept Ness, with the game now released, whats stopping sakurai to add Lucas now??
Claus is on the polls, and is like your beloved Ahnard:
OMG HE LOOKS SO AWESOME HE SHOULD BE ADED CAUS EOF HIS GREATNESS!! thing is Claus is lucas bother, but become some cyborg or something, and given a sword, Earthbound doesn thave any sword characters, and with his popularity in japan, it would break the mold of Mother = Psychic characters,..

WW link

If you actually read my theory, then this should make sense to you. If the Zelda Team is consisted of a group of characters that all revolve around the TP style, then a WW style wouldn’t make sense at all. It would be Twilight Link, Twilight Zelda, Twilight Ganondorf, Twilight Princess Levels, and then.... WW Link? If Sakurai is making everyone in their groups all look alike, then why would we need a powerpuff girl wanna-be appear in a group of detailed, grungy characters?

Not to mention the fact that he is too similar to Link... well... he IS Link. Many have said he could use a Deku Leaf, Nuts, some other lame weapon. But many have forgotten the basic weapon Link uses. A Sword. If there were two Links, then that would mean he would have to divide his abilities again like he did in Melee. We could have one fantastic Link, or two mediocre Links.... I really would prefer there only being one Link.

Ok Ill just say this one last time:
Have u played the Game WW? If not then WHAT GIVES YOU RIGHT TO JUDGE WW LINKS CHANCES WHEN YOU KNOW SQUAT ABOUT HIM?
Lame weapons? Oh yeah a boomerang and an arrow are so brethtaking... WW Links fights way diferently from the average Link, instead of the usual attacks OoT Link and TP link perform (not counting TP special attacks) WW. Link fights co0mpletely diferent, diferent sword attacks, dodge-and-attack moves, and its unique Hurrican spin attacks, that can Be easily a <>B move...
Like someone before me, Silver I believe proved, the WW link style is the most used Link style to date, and just because they have only shown TP style characters and ONE stage, u automatically asuume sakurai cant show anything WW related? if so then u can pretty much kiss Sonic and any other 3rd party goodbye cause sakurai hasnt showed anything about them! yeah, yeah no dedede either, since we got metaknight kirby and halberd, SAKURAI CANT POSSIBLY SHOW ANYMORE KIRBY STUFF!
WW is a ZELDA series game, and just because it AINT TP, it doesnt mean it cant be added, since like I said, its brawl is a game of multiple series and their characters duking it out, not a game about one particular game per series and theyre characters duking it out...

Stafy

Listen, this guys is a nobody. Trust me you don’t want him.

I was going to give an explanation why he shouldn’t be in, but it makes me sick to my stomach seeing so many people compare him to Kirby....ugh....

Seriously! Why would people do that to Kirby!? What has he ever done to you!?

Ok this guys a nobody huh? Yeah that would make sense how he appeared on the polls and how titania didn't, yeah...
Sakurai IS adding japanese only character, but he wont do it to such etent that brawl is filled with them, he will only add a few, and this guy is one of japans most popular, I know I dont know squat about him, but I dont deny the facts about him making it in:
popular, and is one of the few japan onlys they could add that is known in america, and did I mentioend hes on the poll?

Titania
I can’t believe the lack of support for this character! She was one of the coolest characters in Fire Emblem!

If my theory is correct, then we should be seeing more characters from Ike’s game. So why not have some more unique weapons added into the roster? Come on, it’s a woman that uses an axe for a weapon. How cool is that!?

Ok now ur just being ********, JUST BECAUSE THEY SHOW IKE THEYRE JUST USING PoR CHARACTERS?!
Need I remind you Ike is one, if not THE most popular lords in FE? thats one of the main reasons he was added, also, he ALSO appeared in Goddess of dawn, once again playable, this shows his importance to the series, what role did titania had? I doubt one big enough to be added to an ALL STAR game...

Ashnard
Speaking of breathtaking... take a look at this guy! Seriously, just gaze upon his greatness....

Done? Well that’s Ashnard, the main antagonist from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance! You want a villain with sheer raw power? This guy can fit into that mold quite nicely. Someone needs to compare to the strength Bowser and Ganondorf have to offer, and only Ashnard can fit that roll.

Black Knight? Psh... too generic for me. Give us Ashnard!

Don’t the flags on Castle Siege show dragons on them? Isn’t that a Fire Emblem level? Hmmm...

Ok now your just looking for ANYTHING to "prove" this guy cant be in:
The flags have dragon like symbols!
Please sakurai said the castle doesnt represent any stage in particular, its just a plain normal castle, meaning the flags mean nothing...
ANYWAY, black knight generic? im guessing u mean the name right, If I remember correctly, u didnt want:
This winner is... Black Knight!
Ok so if black knigth is generic... ISNT POKEMON TRAINER GENERIC TOO?! I mean there are MILLIONS of pokemon trainers, and sakurai just placed a pokemont traine rin brawl, meaning the "generic" naming is NOT A FACTOR IN BRAWL...
Besides, Black knight is Ikes ARCH nemesis, he KILLED his father, and returned in GoD, and now playable, if Im correct, its the 1st time a boss appeares tiwce, and the 1st time one is playable, dont know about you, but why would they do that to a character who aint important? and just because ur ahsnard "looks" awesome (I wasnt a bit intrigued by him) means he has a spot in brawl...


And again, ur saying X character will NOT be in brawl, got any SOLID proof? a letter from sakurai? anything? THEN ITS NOT CONFIRMED...


Also how can you POSSIBLY think they WONT add more Mario characters? if anything that series is gonna get more rep this time around than zelda or pokemon, they aint sticking with the other 4 cause they can add others like geno, bowser, and so on...

How can Petey give personality? Hes a big giant plant for gods sake, bowser jr HAS personality, that of a small kid, with a big attitude, who believes hes all that, and NO petey AITN more important than Jr.

Petey: Was a regular boss in sunshine and was rather easily, he continue to apepar in games but mostly as fillers...
Jr: Had one f the biggest roles, if not THE biggest in sunshine, cause HE was the one making all the trouble, got mario in trouble and kidnapped peach, he continue as a main enemy in New supermario bros., he had BIGGER roles in these 2 games while Bowser himself serve as a minor, dont take my word for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowser_Jr#Bowser_Jr.

 

[brawlpro]

lol stryks, why do you go "origanally posted by mr.sandman."

 

[Bassoonist]

Yeah but this is Sakurai's game. What he says, goes! And to me it looks like he went down the Twilight Path.

Seriously, the list would go like this. TP Link, TP Zelda, TP Ganondorf, WW Link.

It makes no sense to me at all....

And Snake in Banana-pajamas makes perfect sense to me when people try to convince me WW Link should be in.

I'm sorry, but I still can't believe that they would focus on one game of the character. There have been two Zelda games, and lack of representation for Wind Waker would make no sense. Maybe they won't include WW Link, maybe they'll put in a stage (my preferred way of repping of Wind Waker.)

Either way your Snake in Banana-pajamas doesn't make sense with this argument... There is no Snake in banana-pajamas, you just made that out of thin air. There IS a cel shaded Link.

 

[Chidosengan]

Why Paula and/or Jeff COULD be playable and NOT Lucas and/or Claus!

Well lets assume Ness will make a reappearance. He DID appear in the past two Smash Bros. AND his game actually went outside of Japan. Not to mention that Sakurai doesn’t want to put in any “Japan only” characters (Everyone has been saying it. It must be true). And the Franklin Badge has confirmed that something from a Mother game will be reappearing.

So it’s a safe bet Ness will be back. But according to my theory, that means only the Earthbound cast would be able to make it in! So If Ness is in, it’s a good bet that Paula or Jeff could get in! I’m not so sure about Poo though, nothing against him, but the other two can give the game some interesting twists. (Like giving Ness’s PK Fire, Thunder, and Magnet to Paula so he can actually use his own moves for once. Jeff could give us some sweet inventions too!)

As for the Mother 3 cast. They are Japan only and they aren’t part of the same game Ness is in. So I believe it would be pretty unlikely that Lucas or Claus will bother to show up on the roster.

Well, I dunno about this one. I been hearing talk about how Lucas should replace Ness, or at least have them both in the game. I read your theory about all characters being from only one game in their series, but that wouldn't do Pokemon or Fire Emblem justice.

Why Titania SHOULD be playable in Brawl!

I can’t believe the lack of support for this character! She was one of the coolest characters in Fire Emblem!

If my theory is correct, then we should be seeing more characters from Ike’s game. So why not have some more unique weapons added into the roster? Come on, it’s a woman that uses an axe for a weapon. How cool is that!?

She was important to the game, she was extremely powerful, she could add another female to the roster, she was from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance, she would give us a new weapon, and of course she is quite breathtaking!

Did I miss anything about how great this character would be?

I'll tell you why nobody supports Titania:

SHE. SUCKS.

The cold truth is that she's a Jeigan. If your a Fire Emblem fan, you should know what they are. If not, here's the rundown.

Jeigans are basically pre-promoted units at the start of your game, meaning they've been promoted as soon as they hit lvl. 10, and they can't bring out their full potential. Sure, they're strong at the first 5 chapters, but as soon as they reach Max level (lvl. 20), you'll notice their stats are below average, and then they can't hold on their own.

The worst part is that THEY EAT EXP., meaning they only get less they half exp. then normal, wasting precious exp. that could be used for other characters who have the potential to become 10x strong than Jeigans could ever be. If you use them from the beginning and continue to use them, you will suffer later.

What FE games usuallly do to Jeigans is take out all their weapons and give them to the rest of the characters, leaving them as living targets. They are hard to kill during the first chapters, so everyone just uses them as bait so the other characters can kill the enemies and level up.

Titiana is one of these Jeigans. Including her will not make anyone happy.

Why Ashnard SHOULD be playable in Brawl!

Speaking of breathtaking... take a look at this guy! Seriously, just gaze upon his greatness....

Done? Well that’s Ashnard, the main antagonist from Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance! You want a villain with sheer raw power? This guy can fit into that mold quite nicely. Someone needs to compare to the strength Bowser and Ganondorf have to offer, and only Ashnard can fit that roll.

Black Knight? Psh... too generic for me. Give us Ashnard!

Don’t the flags on Castle Siege show dragons on them? Isn’t that a Fire Emblem level? Hmmm...

I much rather Michaia or Lyn but meh.... Ike is in, that's all that matters.

Why Lucario will NOT be playable in Brawl!

I miss my old angry Lucario rant. But none the less you should all know by now that I dislike this guy with the fury of a thousand suns!

Pokemon Red/Blue characters are appearing on the roster so far. Too bad Lucario is part of the 4th gen, I guess that means according to my theory he won’t be playable!

He can’t give us anything new to the roster! Oh he’s a fighting Pokemon you say? Well doesn’t everyone fight in Smash? He still isn’t unique to me!

More people support Munchlax and Mr. Mime Jr. than Lame-cario. He must be feeling pretty humiliated at this point.

Just go to the past 60+ pages. Learn all you need to know about Lucario there....


That’s it for now, more will be added later!

Well, you got your Squirtle, give Lucario a break will ya? You probably never played Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, right? In this case I can presume why you don't like him: You do not know how awesome he is.

If you think Titania is awesome, then you will instantly fall in love with Lucario. Aura Sphere + Hyper Beam = win. That's that there to say. As soon as he evolves from a Riolu, he becomes a powerhouse.

 

[bloodvayne]

Link in a Link to the past is the same person in LA, just like Ocarina Link is the same as Majora....holds true to WW Link and PH . these games are squeals to each others.

If you're arguing about them being the same link, and not just the same dseign, that just helps My arguement...

The one from TP is the same design as the one on OoT, how do you not see that? they have the exact same equipment, face, hairstyle, everything.

And like I said, if you say bird-hat link is the same as WW link, then I say the Link in LttP and LA and OoA and OoS is the same as the one in Zelda I and II.

Making 6 incarnations of that Link, much more than that of WW Link

 

[brawlpro]

wow this thread is really gonna piss someone off sooner or l8r...

 

[silver777]

If you're arguing about them being the same link, and not just the same dseign, that just helps My arguement...

The one from TP is the same design as the one on OoT, how do you not see that? they have the exact same equipment, face, hairstyle, everything.

And like I said, if you say bird-hat link is the same as WW link, then I say the Link in LttP and LA and OoA and OoS is the same as the one in Zelda I and II.

Making 6 incarnations of that Link, much more than that of WW Link

see my WHOLE post ..

The only difference in the one from LttP and LA is a belt buckle

Link in a Link to the past is the same person in LA, just like Ocarina Link is the same as Majora....holds true to WW Link and PH . these games are squeals to each others.


,

so if you're going minor differences, Minish Cap should be taken off the WW list, because of the Bird..., and Four Swords Adventrues should be because of the different colors.

are you serious?!? tell me you are joking

just look at them !! THEY ARE IDENTICAL !!! SAME ****** STYLE !!

TP is still using the OoT model, just with updated graphics (I'm considering the adult Link and Young Link the same models, since they're both in OoT).

no they aren't . TP looks nothing like Ocarina. are you saying this because they aren't using cartoony art style??

Ocarina =/= TP

So, I'll update my list to conform to your standards.

Zelda/Zelda II/Faces of Evil/Wand of Gamelon/Zelda's Adventure

sorry i denies these games exists .

A Link to the Past/Link's Awakening/Oracle of Seasons/Oracle of Ages

the style is different between them, I don't see the connection.

Ocarina of Time/Majora's Mask/Twilight Princess

Ocarina =/= TP dammit!

WW/Phantom Hourglass

Four Swords Adventures

Minish Cap

see above. they are identical, sheesh.

still isn't the most used..., even if FSA and MC were on the WW list, still wouldn't be

yes it is, you are lying to your self if you believe other wise.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Sandman in case you missed it:

1.)Oh the Irony, you say all that, but you use to say they should add petey, I mean cmon
You say that brawl will be diferent in melee cause brawl will not have clones, and YET you say bowser jr wil lbe way to similair to bowser? Umm FAIL?
Your not considering the paint bursh even tough its one of his main weapons, its like you dont give krystal her staff, if you dont she may just be another space animal and yet you want her to have the staff to be unique, ok true she should have that, so why not give Jr his paintbursh to be way unique and to break the Jr = bowser clone theory?
Your just playing favorites, u like the character and defend it, but when it comes to a character you dont like, with the same possibilities to be unique like the character you DO want and you bash him... you make no sense...

2.)U fail automatically with the 1st paragraph
Sakurai mentioned he didnt want MANY japan only, he didnt say he didnt want a single on of them in brawl, with that said, the Devil as an AT break your theory, even tough not playable, hes japan only...
Sakurai was PLANNING to replace Lucas with Ness, why? Cause Mother 3 was about to be released, and since Lucas is now the star of the Mother series, and has similair abilities, he could be an ok replacement, but he didnt add him cause the game got delayed, and thus sakurai kept Ness, with the game now released, whats stopping sakurai to add Lucas now??
Claus is on the polls, and is like your beloved Ahnard:
OMG HE LOOKS SO AWESOME HE SHOULD BE ADED CAUS EOF HIS GREATNESS!! thing is Claus is lucas bother, but become some cyborg or something, and given a sword, Earthbound doesn thave any sword characters, and with his popularity in japan, it would break the mold of Mother = Psychic characters,..

3.)Ok Ill just say this one last time:
Have u played the Game WW? If not then WHAT GIVES YOU RIGHT TO JUDGE WW LINKS CHANCES WHEN YOU KNOW SQUAT ABOUT HIM?
Lame weapons? Oh yeah a boomerang and an arrow are so brethtaking... WW Links fights way diferently from the average Link, instead of the usual attacks OoT Link and TP link perform (not counting TP special attacks) WW. Link fights co0mpletely diferent, diferent sword attacks, dodge-and-attack moves, and its unique Hurrican spin attacks, that can Be easily a <>B move...
Like someone before me, Silver I believe proved, the WW link style is the most used Link style to date, and just because they have only shown TP style characters and ONE stage, u automatically asuume sakurai cant show anything WW related? if so then u can pretty much kiss Sonic and any other 3rd party goodbye cause sakurai hasnt showed anything about them! yeah, yeah no dedede either, since we got metaknight kirby and halberd, SAKURAI CANT POSSIBLY SHOW ANYMORE KIRBY STUFF!
WW is a ZELDA series game, and just because it AINT TP, it doesnt mean it cant be added, since like I said, its brawl is a game of multiple series and their characters duking it out, not a game about one particular game per series and theyre characters duking it out...


4.)Ok this guys a nobody huh? Yeah that would make sense how he appeared on the polls and how titania didn't, yeah...
Sakurai IS adding japanese only character, but he wont do it to such etent that brawl is filled with them, he will only add a few, and this guy is one of japans most popular, I know I dont know squat about him, but I dont deny the facts about him making it in:
popular, and is one of the few japan onlys they could add that is known in america, and did I mentioend hes on the poll?


5.)Ok now ur just being ********, JUST BECAUSE THEY SHOW IKE THEYRE JUST USING PoR CHARACTERS?!
Need I remind you Ike is one, if not THE most popular lords in FE? thats one of the main reasons he was added, also, he ALSO appeared in Goddess of dawn, once again playable, this shows his importance to the series, what role did titania had? I doubt one big enough to be added to an ALL STAR game...


6.)Ok now your just looking for ANYTHING to "prove" this guy cant be in:
The flags have dragon like symbols!
Please sakurai said the castle doesnt represent any stage in particular, its just a plain normal castle, meaning the flags mean nothing...
ANYWAY, black knight generic? im guessing u mean the name right, If I remember correctly, u didnt want:
This winner is... Black Knight!
Ok so if black knigth is generic... ISNT POKEMON TRAINER GENERIC TOO?! I mean there are MILLIONS of pokemon trainers, and sakurai just placed a pokemont traine rin brawl, meaning the "generic" naming is NOT A FACTOR IN BRAWL...
Besides, Black knight is Ikes ARCH nemesis, he KILLED his father, and returned in GoD, and now playable, if Im correct, its the 1st time a boss appeares tiwce, and the 1st time one is playable, dont know about you, but why would they do that to a character who aint important? and just because ur ahsnard "looks" awesome (I wasnt a bit intrigued by him) means he has a spot in brawl...


7.)And again, ur saying X character will NOT be in brawl, got any SOLID proof? a letter from sakurai? anything? THEN ITS NOT CONFIRMED...


8.)Also how can you POSSIBLY think they WONT add more Mario characters? if anything that series is gonna get more rep this time around than zelda or pokemon, they aint sticking with the other 4 cause they can add others like geno, bowser, and so on...

How can Petey give personality? Hes a big giant plant for gods sake, bowser jr HAS personality, that of a small kid, with a big attitude, who believes hes all that, and NO petey AITN more important than Jr.

Petey: Was a regular boss in sunshine and was rather easily, he continue to apepar in games but mostly as fillers...
Jr: Had one f the biggest roles, if not THE biggest in sunshine, cause HE was the one making all the trouble, got mario in trouble and kidnapped peach, he continue as a main enemy in New supermario bros., he had BIGGER roles in these 2 games while Bowser himself serve as a minor, dont take my word for it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowser_Jr#Bowser_Jr.

1.) Well first off, Bowser Jr., is Bowser's son. Bowser Jr, Bowser.... The name strikes a resemblence. And if he has a paintbrush then he would be "copying" Krystal and her staff now wouldn't he? No matter what he does he is going to be similar to another character.

2.) Well the AT's can represent any characters from any game from any country. It doesn't matter because THEY AREN'T PLAYABLE. In fact you can turn them off! I can't see th logic when you try to use Devil for a reason why Ness doesn't deserve to return. If I recall Ness's game wasn't cancelled three times like Mother 3 was, and it seems to me like Mother 3 never even left Japan.

3.) Well for starters... the Boomerange has appeared in pretty much every Zelda game. I don't know why you even tried to make fun of a classic weapon. And saying WW Link would fight differently with his sword means nothing to me. They are both the same person, we really don't need two Link's on the roster. Besides there are enough swordsmen already, and I'm sure we'll see one more sometime. WW Link doesn't deserve a spot on the roster. King Dedede is different than WW Link because HES A DIFFERENT PERSON!

4.) Toad and Deoxys appeared on the polls. Look what happened to them. The polls mean nothing at this point.

5.) Ike's game is getting a sequal, that alone should show its importance. And if you actually read the top part you would know that every character is being effect by my theory. You can't keep denying these things! Its very probable that if any more characters from Fire Emblem appear that it would be a character from Ike's game.

6.) Sakurai isn't going to reveal who's castle that is because he doesn't want to ruin any surprises. He didn't even show us the bottom part of the level. I still say its Ashnard's castle.

As for Black Knight, he still looks too generic to me. He's just another faceless character with a sword. At least Ashnard has dragons with him, and you can actually see the grin on his face. Please, lets have more characters with personality... I don't want another souless character in the game.

7.) I never said anything was official. Quit assuming I did.

8.) Mario doesn't need anymore characters to represent their group. Games like Metroid, Kirby, and Earthbound need more characters for their groups. Mario is just fine with four.

Also....


Ryu and Diddy have been added to the list, just so everyone knows!