The Most Controversial Thread on the Site! (Originally the Anti-Lucario/Pro Squirtle)

[ylink_underestimted]

But I heard that Lucario will Probably be replacing Mewtwo!

y are u saying "but" as if u were in a conversation? if u were in one earlier, than whoops.
anywayz, some people said that Lucario will indeed be replacing Mewtwo, but those are opinions. Lucario and Mewtwo are 2 different pokemon. Lucario is a Steel/Fighting type, whereas Mewtwo is a Psychic type. im not really sure y people have said Lucario will replace Mewtwo, but that sounds a bit dumb to me. i can see a VERY different moveset between the two.

Then I feel for you. Though, I don't really care for either one myself.

My point is that Sandman shouldn't be talking about any Lucario fans looking foolish. He acts as though he's already been deconfirmed, when in reality, The PT confirmation doesn't have one single thing to do with Lucario's chances. I have no idea what kind of logic he's attempting to apply with that, but it's none that I'm familiar with.

well for one thing, i just wanted to say u pwnd sand_man earlier. i also wanted to say that the TP confirmation has some effect on Lucario. but its not negative. IMO because Sakurai repped the primary Pokemon for the game, he might rep Lucario because of a movie and his role as the "egg Pokemon" in the game. if he put in Jigglypuff from the anime, y not Lucario?

 

[Dizzynecro]

now that i have charizard i will go aead and say i wouldn't mind seeing lucario.

 

[Princess Diana]

well for one thing, i just wanted to say u pwnd sand_man earlier. i also wanted to say that the TP confirmation has some effect on Lucario. but its not negative. IMO because Sakurai repped the primary Pokemon for the game, he might rep Lucario because of a movie and his role as the "egg Pokemon" in the game. if he put in Jigglypuff from the anime, y not Lucario?

Why doesn't he put Blissey in the game as well because you get her baby form as an egg in pokemon Diamond/Pearl as well?

 

[SuperSmashKing009]

y are u saying "but" as if u were in a conversation? if u were in one earlier, than whoops.
anywayz, some people said that Lucario will indeed be replacing Mewtwo, but those are opinions. Lucario and Mewtwo are 2 different pokemon. Lucario is a Steel/Fighting type, whereas Mewtwo is a Psychic type. im not really sure y people have said Lucario will replace Mewtwo, but that sounds a bit dumb to me. i can see a VERY different moveset between the two.








Its not my opinion its Wikipedias Opinion but im just saying!

 

[Black/Light]

Wow, this topic really. . . .took off sence I last came in 0_o. . . .

 

[Jacko]

yay i was looking for this thread
i think the biggest reason why lucario shouldn't be in super smash brawl is being overlooked
HE LOOKS RETARTED
I mean if he looked badass then I would be fine with it but he looks so stupid

 

[ClarkJables]

I can see where you're getting this, but certain variables make it pretty weak.

Do we know how many characters will be in Brawl? No.
Do we know how many of those characters will be Pokemon reps? No.
Did Sakurai himself say anything about Lucario not being in? No.

It was never a sure thing that Lucario would be in, but he isn't a shoe-out now. His chances only get lower in the sense that all the other pokemon's chances have grown higher. Lucario still has a bit of importance to him, which is why Pikachu is in, and why Mewtwo and Jiggs were in before and may be in again. Saying that Lucario has proven to be out (he literally said that) is absolutely ridiculous.

actually no, although we don't know the exact numbe rwe have a good ballpark with which to estimate. sakurai said 60 was impossible and that he would try to get as many in as possible, but most likely it would not go over 50. now i doubt he can do 50 but there is no doubt that he can do 45. we say 40 because it is a safe number that we know there will be at least that many.

we know that pokemon reps won't exceede mario reps, that so far it looks mario will have 4 reps conting luigi and peach, and maybe one suprize character thrown at us. this make 5 and sinc epokemon can go no higher or lower it will probably be along htat line.

and to answer the third question did sakurai ever say anything about lucario being in to start with?

 

[SuperSmashKing009]

yay i was looking for this thread
i think the biggest reason why lucario shouldn't be in super smash brawl is being overlooked
HE LOOKS RETARTED
I mean if he looked badass then I would be fine with it but he looks so stupid

SAYS YOU!!!!!

 

[ClarkJables]

him and me and grim and probably a whole lot of others, the world isn't all filled with uber lucario lovers and i mean that literally. in fact i would say most people would go "lucario who?". you have to face the facts that he is more of a bizarre fan fav for no reason type deal.

 

[kaid]

Lucario stands as a well known (in pokemon circles) pokemon who has his own sidequest in the games, and his own movie in the anime. He appeared in the game manuals, and in the opening credits of the "battle factory" season of the anime. He's a fighting type, who takes fighting to the same over-the-top level as Street Fighter, Naruto, and Dragon Ball.

 

[Princess Diana]

yay i was looking for this thread
i think the biggest reason why lucario shouldn't be in super smash brawl is being overlooked
HE LOOKS RETARTED
I mean if he looked badass then I would be fine with it but he looks so stupid

yeah i know! I don't even know how some people think that he resembles a ninja... O.o; His dread locks look really weird... And his paws don't look capable of grabbing something or forming a fist(fighting type)... and his legs are all... Discombobulated... >_>;

 

[ClarkJables]

they need to make a pirate pokemon, although apom might count

 

[SpitFire15]

I never knew who Lucario was until I registered on smashboards, but since Squirtle has been confirmed, I don't see why Lucario can't be a part of the Brawl roster.

 

[SuperSmashKing009]

yeah i know! I don't even know how some people think that he resembles a ninja... O.o; His dread locks look really weird... And his paws don't look capable of grabbing something or forming a fist(fighting type)... and his legs are all... Discombobulated... >_>;

Thats because hes a DOG!! you idiot

 

[ClarkJables]

and an ugly dog at that, also don't insult people because of their opinions

 

[kaid]

yeah i know! I don't even know how some people think that he resembles a ninja... O.o; His dread locks look really weird... And his paws don't look capable of grabbing something or forming a fist(fighting type)... and his legs are all... Discombobulated... >_>;

Kirby says hi.

 

[ClarkJables]

thats different, kirby has nubs which is like hands that are always in the shape of fists, just more painfully.
also he has no legs and he has the best grab ever, he just sucks em up

also dredlock kirby would pwn so hard your wii would break at the sight of him

 

[Black/Light]

Lucario stands as a well known (in pokemon circles. . . WHAT pokemon isn't well known to Pokemon fans?) pokemon who has his own sidequest in the games, (not importamt. Many other one-of pokeys out there) and his own movie in the anime. (Movies have to be made every year. . .that one aint special) He appeared in the game manuals, (and?) and in the opening credits of the "battle factory" (???Battle Frontier you mean? Deoxy was in the credits too. . . mew was in more than both of them) season of the anime. He's a fighting type, (so?) who takes fighting to the same over-the-top level as Street Fighter, Naruto, and Dragon Ball. (I have yet to see Lucario make a shadow clone, save the world or do anything other than toss that light ball)

This is fun.

 

[ClarkJables]

that was a perfect counter by black/light i am stunned

 

[ylink_underestimted]

Why doesn't he put Blissey in the game as well because you get her baby form as an egg in pokemon Diamond/Pearl as well?

oh well sorry, i havent played D/P. either way i said that he was in a movie (but that ones over-used). anywayz, y not? because Blissy will pwn everyone with softboiled and its too strong. no but really, because Lucario got alot popularity, seems to be the most requested, and has a likely moveset. but if u can make one for Blissy, go for it

yay i was looking for this thread
i think the biggest reason why lucario shouldn't be in super smash brawl is being overlooked
HE LOOKS RETARTED
I mean if he looked badass then I would be fine with it but he looks so stupid

thats a bad argument. alot of people say he looks badass as it is.

 

[kaid]

You basically take 5 different points, and for each one, go "that doesn't matter"

Each one is minor, true, but little things add up.

And he's still as over-the-top as Street Fighter.

 

[Princess Diana]

Kirby says hi.

I'm talking about how he looks ugly... Not about how he wouldn't work in the game... besides... Kirby is cute! XD

 

[ClarkJables]

yah but it seems that his fans only like him because he looks "badass"

 

[SuperSmashKing009]

Why is everyone against Lucario. Mann you guys don't know what Brawl material means.

 

[kaid]

You could say the same for his haters, Clark.

 

[Circus]

actually no, although we don't know the exact numbe rwe have a good ballpark with which to estimate. sakurai said 60 was impossible and that he would try to get as many in as possible, but most likely it would not go over 50. now i doubt he can do 50 but there is no doubt that he can do 45. we say 40 because it is a safe number that we know there will be at least that many.

I've never heard this before. Got any type of link for me?

we know that pokemon reps won't exceede mario reps, that so far it looks mario will have 4 reps conting luigi and peach, and maybe one suprize character thrown at us. this make 5 and sinc epokemon can go no higher or lower it will probably be along htat line.

How are you coming up with these guesses though? What has Sakurai said that implies that there would only be those characters? This all just sounds like assumptions to me. Sure, 4 or 5 reps for Mario "makes sense", but just to us. Sakurai hasn't actually mentioned that at all as far as I know. People seem to use lots of fact-less reasoning for all these numbers.

and to answer the third question did sakurai ever say anything about lucario being in to start with?

No, but that still isn't my point. The thing that irks me is Sandman's ego. Seems to me like since he kind of called Squirtle (didn't happen exactly the way he'd envisioned it), he almost thinks he's got the ****ing roster in his pocket. He doesn't have the right to say Lucario isn't in. NO ONE has the right to say anything about Lucario for sure. It's the same with everybody for all unconfirmed characters. They aren't in or out untile Sakurai somehow tells us.

 

[Dizzynecro]

blissy is pink and we've already got a more badass pink pokemon. jigglypuff green outfit with headband.

 

[SuperSmashKing009]

Come on people where in the year 2007 so think new pokemon to be in brawl not old pokemon like the 1st and 2nd Generations. Its like trying to go back in time which is impossible.

 

[Princess Diana]

oh well sorry, i havent played D/P. either way i said that he was in a movie (but that ones over-used). anywayz, y not? because Blissy will pwn everyone with softboiled and its too strong. no but really, because Lucario got alot popularity, seems to be the most requested, and has a likely moveset. but if u can make one for Blissy, go for it


thats a bad argument. alot of people say he looks badass as it is.

Lol fine... (btw this is a joke so don't be stupid and insult me or anything)

B: Softboiled: Recovers half of the damage Blissey has taken
B>: Seismic Toss: Always deals 100% damage
Bv: Ice Beam: Blissey uses ice beam and it has a 20% chance of freezing someone cause Blissey has serene grace
B^: Sing: Like Jigglypuff's b^ except this one has a 55% chance of working and if it does the person who gets affected by it can't move for up to seven seconds, also once you activate it Blissey gets thrown upwards

Lol yup its the standard Blissey moveset

 

[ClarkJables]

well to start things off for the first one i am finding a link now, for the second one i am using common sense mixed with deductive reasoning. luigi's chances of not getting into brawl amount to 1%, and the same goes for peach, so so far it looks like 4 mario reps. and i think he would add one more mario rep because it is irrational to think that he would just do mario, peach, luigi, and bowser. sure it is plausible but i'd say the chances of it happening are 20%. now pokmeon won't exceede mario rep because mairo is nintendo's top dog, it is their golden money maker and their mascot, but pokemon is so popular to give them less could lead to outrage. so because of this i can safely say that the chance of pokemon rep being higher OR lower then mario rep is about 20%. and for the third thing i agree with you on that point, its just i take it the negative way for lucario while you take it the positive way

 

[Dizzynecro]

Come on people where in the year 2007 so think new pokemon to be in brawl not old pokemon like the 1st and 2nd Generations. Its like trying to go back in time which is impossible.

not really the 1st gen got remade so its not like nobody has seen them for years. plusnon fans are more likely to know first gen so i think its understandable to stick with it mostly.

 

[ylink_underestimted]

Come on people where in the year 2007 so think new pokemon to be in brawl not old pokemon like the 1st and 2nd Generations. Its like trying to go back in time which is impossible.

ok like i said, who the hell are u talking to? yer like off topic n stuff. try getting on topic for the matter

Lol fine... (btw this is a joke so don't be stupid and insult me or anything)

B: Softboiled: Recovers half of the damage Blissey has taken
B>: Seismic Toss: Always deals 100% damage
Bv: Ice Beam: Blissey uses ice beam and it has a 20% chance of freezing someone cause Blissey has serene grace
B^: Sing: Like Jigglypuff's b^ except this one has a 55% chance of working and if it does the person who gets affected by it can't move for up to seven seconds, also once you activate it Blissey gets thrown upwards

Lol yup its the standard Blissey moveset

haha, yea that was funny. wait to make one thing clear, r u against Lucario or with it?

 

[9Kplus1]

Okay, I'm not on either sides at the moment, when I get Squirtle's moveset for brawl, then I'll make those opinions, but really, Lucario has a large chance of getting in Brawl. He's been popular ever since 3rd gen and if I'm correct, he was one of the first 4th gen pokes to be revealed, the most popular pokes capible of being ing brawl are-

Gardevoir
Lucario
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Weavile
Electivire

Lucario can get a good moveset in brawl as well as the other pokes.

If, any of you have been to serebii.net before the release of D/P in Japan then, you'd know that Lucario IS popular and has a good chace in brawl, besides, Brawl won't be out for months, there will be time to announce Lucario's appearance in brawl.
But if you've seen Lucario actually battling in Pokemon Battle Revolution, you'll see how he'll be in brawl. I'm not a Lucario fan, but I am a pokemon fan, and a lot of pokemon fans like Lucario and they play smash too, so...

P.S- Say nothing about my sig, I'm changing it tomorrow.

 

[Black/Light]

You basically take 5 different points, and for each one, go "that doesn't matter" (Not really. Lucario is well known amunt Pokemon fans. . . fans who COLLECT pokemon and would most likely know the 100s of them. Credits? Muchlex was in them too. . . been in the anime way before and way more. One of in the games? So was a crap load of other pokemon. Fighting type? *Points at the 3 new pokemon we have now* Being human shaped aint a "rule " now that Ivy is in so the aint much to pop off about. Your points where just. . . not good)

Each one is minor, true, but little things add up. (I can point out a crap load of lil things for most any pokemon. . .doesn't mean they "add up" to Sakurai)

And he's still as over-the-top as Street Fighter. (SF aint even as "over the top" as Smash now that we have the FS attacks IMO)

Good fun.

 

[kaid]

Clark, this is not the time to be throwing around WAGs like they were real numbers.

I thank you for your admission. Appearance IS a major factor to peple arguing abut Lucario... one way or the other. The people against him hate his looks, the people for him think he looks hotter than krystal. (well, OK, only a few go THAT far...)

 

[SuperSmashKing009]

not really the 1st gen got remade so its not like nobody has seen them for years. plusnon fans are more likely to know first gen so i think its understandable to stick with it mostly.

But come on you have to see new pokemon in Brawl its just like discovering new animals in life, people have to see unown things so they could learn about that one thing! you know what im saying this is a reason why Lucario should be in Brawl.

 

[Princess Diana]

Okay, I'm not on either sides at the moment, when I get Squirtle's moveset for brawl, then I'll make those opinions, but really, Lucario has a large chance of getting in Brawl. He's been popular ever since 3rd gen and if I'm correct, he was one of the first 4th gen pokes to be revealed, the most popular pokes capible of being ing brawl are-

Gardevoir
Lucario
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Weavile
Electivire

Lucario can get a good moveset in brawl as well as the other pokes.

If, any of you have been to serebii.net before the release of D/P in Japan then, you'd know that Lucario IS popular and has a good chace in brawl, besides, Brawl won't be out for months, there will be time to announce Lucario's appearance in brawl.
But if you've seen Lucario actually battling in Pokemon Battle Revolution, you'll see how he'll be in brawl. I'm not a Lucario fan, but I am a pokemon fan, and a lot of pokemon fans like Lucario and they play smash too, so...

P.S- Say nothing about my sig, I'm changing it tomorrow.

Why aren't munchlax and mime jr. on that list? Munchlax was the first to be revealed and Mime Jr. was revealed with Weavile and Lucario. Plus Mime Jr. is STILL in the anime at the moment!

haha, yea that was funny. wait to make one thing clear, r u against Lucario or with it?

I am AGAINST Lucario... I do not like hearing its name everywhere... And putting it in brawl would just add to the big overrated mess that he is... Seriously he is given way too much credit... If you go to a pokemon anime board "ASH SOHULD LIKE GET LUCARIO CAUSE HE PWNZ AND I WILL EB MAD IF HE DEOSNT!" and if you battle alot of people on wifi you see lucario... It gets boring killing a bunch of lucarios... >_>;

 

[kaid]

Blacklight, hypothetical. 1 4th gen in Brawl. Give me pro/con lists of the major contenders.

 

[9Kplus1]

Why aren't munchlax and mime jr. on that list? Munchlax was the first to be revealed and Mime Jr. was revealed with Weavile and Lucario. Plus Mime Jr. is STILL in the anime at the moment!

True, but Munchlax doesn't have that Brawl movement, but you have a point with Mime Jr. It could be Pichu's replacement, Munchlax will just appear in a pokeball, not as a Character.

 

[MDupont]

Mime Jr. doesn't really have much of a viable moveset. I can see him being a Pokeball Pokemon easily though.