The Most Controversial Thread on the Site! (Originally the Anti-Lucario/Pro Squirtle)

[The_Corax_King]

and sandman... 1/10th is not that much:

Five Pokémon isn't asking too much IMO...

Pikachu
Trainer
Jigglypuff
Lucario
Mewtwo

If Melee had 4, why can't Brawl have 5? The percentage of total characters would probably remain similar...

4/26 = about 15%

5 pokemon would require about 32 total characters to keep the same ratio, and 32 seems like a really small amount.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Please tell me...

We have two Pokemon characters... and assuming Jigglypuff and Mewtwo are returning... who else would you add?

Five pokemon characters is not unreasonable, and who else would you use to add a fifth? (assuming pichu is removed of course...)

Depends on how many Mario characters there will be on his team. So far its 4, so its safe to assume there will only be 4 Pokemon so far. Again, Pokemon cannot surpass Mario in team amounts. (#Mushroom symbols)

 

[ClarkJables]

at this point i really don't care, i feel that all pokemon are equal at this point. out of reasonable suggestions that aren't 1st gen i wouldn't mind munchlax or anything except lucario. i just don't like lucario

 

[The_Corax_King]

As Stryks said...


Toad, Bowser Jr, and others have a chance as well...

And you can't forget that DK SHOULD be considered a Mario character... as should Wario... they are all intertwined and they all appear in Mario games...

 

[the grim lizard]

WTF grim ur saying steel and DNA (which isnt a type) are lame, and yet u want a normal-type cat?...

>_< Try reading, dude...

Meowth? I dunno...I could see it happening...(not my nomination, but others will attest to it.)

And you can't forget that DK SHOULD be considered a Mario character... as should Wario... they are all intertwined and they all appear in Mario games...

Bull. Mario should be a part of the DK universe if anything. He debuted in DONKEY KONG for crying out loud! Wario has TWO of his own series, and DK in addition to starting Mario in the beginning has had plenty of his own. And his games (not Mario games) are in the top 5 best sellers by franchise.

 

[Circus]

Well lets say there are 4 pokemon characters, and a total of 40 characters in the game. That's 1/10th of the roster, which is a lot when you think about it!

You're assuming an awful lot here. We don't know there will be 40 characters in the game. There could be 30, there could be 100. We don't know. So this whole point is kind of worthless.

Mario only has 4 members on his team, theres no way Pokemon can surpass it.

Mario only has 4 members that we know of. And if you consider Yoshi, DK, and Wario as at least partial Mario characters (like I do) then Mario is still leader of the pack when it comes to quantity. Plus, for all we know, there are more on the way (Toad anyone?)

I strongly believe Sakurai is smart enough to keep the most famous characters in this game.

And I strongly believed Red had no chance of making it into Brawl. "Strongly believing" something doesn't mean **** at this point.

Jiggs is huge all over the world, believe it or not. And Mewtwo is just as popular, he did have TWO movies and he even appeared on the show.

And? How does this effect other characters' chances? Those two are popular so they have a chance of getting in. Lucario is also popular, so he has a chance of getting in. This doesn't mean anything.

Seriously, 1/10th of the possible roster. How many Pokemon do we need to represent the franchise? Lucario is a goner, trust me.

All the PT update really proves is that we truly do not know ANYTHING about Sakurai. NO character is off limits anymore. You can't count Lucario out.

Side note: Also, one of my biggest pet peeves is when people state their opinions as facts. Don't ever say "Lucario is a goner, trust me" again, unless you manage to turn yourself into Sakurai himself.

 

[_the_sandman_]

Lucario doesn't deserve to be in Brawl...

And why have Munchlax? We could have Meowth because he has fame, but even then that wouldn't work out because of his mediocre moves and stats.

If you want a good Pokemon that is able to match with Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, and Trainer in both skill and popularity, give SNORLAX a try. He's very popular and a heavyweight on the Pokemon side would be a very good addition.

 

[Stryks]

SANDMAN

Ok sandman u and me:

1) WHAT evidence? just because we got ONE 1st gen we automatically assume we get 0 2nd, 3rd and 4th gens??

2) how is sakurai back handing lucario supporters? JUST because he show ONE newcomer from another gen that AINT 4th? how is that a back hand? WERE GETTING MORE CHARACTERS! and so far I dont see ANY proof that all leads to: Brawl = 1st gen ONLY...

3) U wanted him solo, he aint... its more lik 65/35, in ur favor, because u can use suirtle, but not by himself...

Even CLARK whose on YOUR side agrees ur too confident, so far knowing sakurai NOTHING is certain...

answer

 

[The_Corax_King]

Bull. Mario should be a part of the DK universe if anything. He debuted in DONKEY KONG for crying out loud! Wario has TWO of his own series, and DK in addition to starting Mario in the beginning has had plenty of his own. And his games (not Mario games) are in the top 5 best sellers by franchise.

They are all part of the same family more or less...

DK and Wario appear with Mario more often than not...

Also... why doesn't peach get her own logo then...? I believe she has her own game now too...

 

[ClarkJables]

grim said he didn't nominate meowth, he said he could see him happening, and i never said sakurai was laughing, but you have to admit that this hurts lucario fans a bit, you though nothing could touch him, and now pokemon trainer of all people got in and so far lucario is nowhere in sight. and i don't know, you were a deoxys fan but you switched sides pretty quickly, same as when goroh was AT'd and all of the black shadow fans showed up


ok corax you are comparing one game to an entire series. wario only shows up in party, kart, and sports game, where EVERYONE is thrown in. so if those games count then that means waluigi should be in because he has been in so many mario games.

wario and donkey kong deserve to be their own people, they have gone off and made successful series without the help of mario. it wasn't called marioware, and it wasn't called mario country fro a reason.


and to those who say mario has four, so far he only has 2, him and bowser. peach has yet to be confirmed despite being in a trailer, and luigi is nowhere in sight. now they have 99% chances of getting in, but never forget that 1%

 

[Stryks]

Lucario doesn't deserve to be in Brawl...

And why have Munchlax? We could have Meowth because he has fame, but even then that wouldn't work out because of his mediocre moves and stats.

If you want a good Pokemon that is able to match with Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, and Trainer in both skill and popularity, give SNORLAX a try. He's very popular and a heavyweight on the Pokemon side would be a very good addition.

OMG I want to burst in flames by readin such biased post...
Mediocre stats?! Snorlax would be THE slowest character, with medium strenght and THE worst recovery, meowth would AT LEAST be balanced, and we lacke that...

woah wait snorlax is popular, I ask you: MEOWTH ISNT?!
and munchlax is consider the mascot of the 4th gen, MASCOT, there no greater popularity that being considered a MASCOT:

Pikachu
Mario
Sonic
Megaman

prove this...

and what in this blue earth makes suirtle so deserving?! (not that it makes much diference, he was just added to fill up trainers moveset, yeah I said it...)

 

[The_Corax_King]

How can you assume stats?

How do you know meowth would be mediocre??

And how do you know Sakurai wouldn't want to make a joke by making snorlax ultra fast with an awesome recovery? (sounds ridiculous I know... but it's just another assumption)

And we all know Snorlax doesn't stand a chance...

 

[_the_sandman_]

Again, Mario team -Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser

Wario is on his own, Yoshi is on his own, and DK is on his own.

I can't see another Mario character appearing in this game. Toad, Waluigi, Daisy, and Bowser Jr just feel like fillers to me. They have been that way for a very long time. The only other Mario character I can see appearing in Brawl would be Petey Piranha, and I'm serious when I say that. He HAS been appearing in EVERY Mario game ever since Sunshine. Well actually Delfino Island is a level so Petey doesn't seem so crazy now does it? Not to mention he can introduce a lot more personality onto the roster, which is something many of the characters are lacking.

 

[The_Corax_King]

But as I said...

Wario has only 2 games (I think only 2...)

And DK I don't know...

Either way... they appear in more Mario games than their own independent games...

 

[Stryks]

Again, Mario team -Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser

Wario is on his own, Yoshi is on his own, and DK is on his own.

I can't see another Mario character appearing in this game. Toad, Waluigi, Daisy, and Bowser Jr just feel like fillers to me. They have been that way for a very long time. The only other Mario character I can see appearing in Brawl would be Petey Piranha, and I'm serious when I say that. He HAS been appearing in EVERY Mario game ever since Sunshine. Well actually Delfino Island is a level so Petey doesn't seem so crazy now does it? Not to mention he can introduce a lot more personality onto the roster, which is something many of the characters are lacking.

*BURST IN FLAMES*

Ur saying they shouldnt add those character cause their fillers... and PETEY AINT?! is anything Bowser jr deserves the shot MORE, cause hes one of the many boses u face in New super mairo bros and had a big role in sunshine... DAISY had a main role in ONE game... toad has been for a long time and should be added cause more people will recognize him (sound familiar sandman?)...

seriously Sandman ur just some kid (sounding like smahyou6666 *kiss teeth* haha XD) u just want character U want, saying BS facts like petey should be added cause the rest are fillers, and munchlax shouldnt be added cause snorlax is more popular, which is wrong, munchlax is considered a mascot, something ur precious suirtle and snorlax and petey have never done...

EDIT: Now I see ur 20, which is either BS or u have not hit puberty yet, believe me if u would watch wrestling, something tells me u would be a cena fan...

 

[ClarkJables]

bull****. wario has wariland 1-4, warioworld, and somewhere around five warioware games, show some respect for the fat ******* ok, he is nowhere near a mario character, so stop saying that corax.

and don't even get me started on donkey kong.


and squirtle made it in, so all pokemon are equal as of now

 

[_the_sandman_]

But they have different styles and designs now. Just go by the SYMBOL by the characters name. That shows what team they are one.

Go to Melee, then Sound test. Find the section with all of the individual teams. Notice how they are all bunched up into one group? Yoshi is on his own yet Mario has a team.

Yes they all started off on their own, but they moved on from Mario to the point where they don't need him anymore to make their own games.

 

[Circus]

Again, Mario team -Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser

Wario is on his own, Yoshi is on his own, and DK is on his own.

I can't see another Mario character appearing in this game. Toad, Waluigi, Daisy, and Bowser Jr just feel like fillers to me. They have been that way for a very long time. The only other Mario character I can see appearing in Brawl would be Petey Piranha, and I'm serious when I say that. He HAS been appearing in EVERY Mario game ever since Sunshine. Well actually Delfino Island is a level so Petey doesn't seem so crazy now does it? Not to mention he can introduce a lot more personality onto the roster, which is something many of the characters are lacking.

I won't even bother breaking this post up because I can answer the whole thing with one point—this is all just your opinion.

You don't count Wario, DK, and Yoshi as Mario characters because. . . you just don't.

You consider a character like Toad to be a filler character BUT you think Petey has a shot because. . . you just do.

You think the Mario team consists of only 4 characters, despite the fact that not all of the characters have been revealed yet because. . . you just do.

I'd like to see some reasons to back these things up (and don't give me any weak response about icons for Wario, DK, and Yoshi. That doesn't matter in the slightest. They're still part of the Marioverse)

 

[Dokuro]

The WarioWare series and the Wario Land series and Wario World are not two games...

 

[Stryks]

QUOTING!

*BURST IN FLAMES*

Ur saying they shouldnt add those character cause their fillers... and PETEY AINT?! is anything Bowser jr deserves the shot MORE, cause hes one of the many boses u face in New super mairo bros and had a big role in sunshine... DAISY had a main role in ONE game... toad has been for a long time and should be added cause more people will recognize him (sound familiar sandman?)...

seriously Sandman ur just some kid (sounding like smahyou6666 *kiss teeth* haha XD) u just want character U want, saying BS facts like petey should be added cause the rest are fillers, and munchlax shouldnt be added cause snorlax is more popular, which is wrong, munchlax is considered a mascot, something ur precious suirtle and snorlax and petey have never done...

EDIT: Now I see ur 20, which is either BS or u have not hit puberty yet, believe me if u would watch wrestling, something tells me u would be a cena fan...

QUOTING COMPLETE!

 

[_the_sandman_]

*BURST IN FLAMES*

Ur saying they shouldnt add those character cause their fillers... and PETEY AINT?! is anything Bowser jr deserves the shot MORE, cause hes one of the many boses u face in New super mairo bros and had a big role in sunshine... DAISY had a main role in ONE game... toad has been for a long time and should be added cause more people will recognize him (sound familiar sandman?)...

seriously Sandman ur just some kid (sounding like smahyou6666 *kiss teeth* haha XD) u just want character U want, saying BS facts like petey should be added cause the rest are fillers, and munchlax shouldnt be added cause snorlax is more popular, which is wrong, munchlax is considered a mascot, something ur precious suirtle and snorlax and petey have never done...

Bowser Jr.... is like Bowser! OH WAIT, he can turn into Shadow Mario! Now he's just like Mario.....

Toad is a B attack, and will probably stay that way. And Daisy is an alternate color.

Petey is a lot more original. Not to mention he has been in more games then all of those filler character combined! Seriously, don't argue with me about Petey, because you know he has as much of a chance as any of those "loser" characters people keep mentioning.

 

[The_Corax_King]

They are all part of the same series...

Wario was created as Mario's rival...

They may have their own games... but they are all intertwined...

 

[the grim lizard]

Wario was created as Mario's rival...

Mario was created as Donkey Kong's protagonist. Mario is a part of the DK universe.

 

[_the_sandman_]

I won't even bother breaking this post up because I can answer the whole thing with one point—this is all just your opinion.

You don't count Wario, DK, and Yoshi as Mario characters because. . . you just don't.

You consider a character like Toad to be a filler character BUT you think Petey has a shot because. . . you just do.

You think the Mario team consists of only 4 characters, despite the fact that not all of the characters have been revealed yet because. . . you just do.

I'd like to see some reasons to back these things up (and don't give me any weak response about icons for Wario, DK, and Yoshi. That doesn't matter in the slightest. They're still part of the Marioverse)

So you're telling me that Mario 64, Yoshi Story, and Donkey Kong 64 should be considered the same franchise just because they appeared together in a game or two? They appear together in party games because of their history, but they have different franchises when it comes down to single player games.

So how come Petey is ALWAYS a boss or a main playable character in every Mario game? Because he has potential! Petey would be a worthwhile addition compared to Toad. What exactly has Toad done again? Oh right, he was playable in one game. You know, Petey has been a villain in several games already, I guess that doesn't count for anything now does it?

Wasn't Petey a main in Mario Strikers: Charged and Mario Power Tennis? Where was Toad? Oh right, the sidelines....

 

[ClarkJables]

They are all part of the same series...

Wario was created as Mario's rival...

They may have their own games... but they are all intertwined...

omg i am about to strangle you corax. so by your logic mario should change his name to jump man and join the donkey kong group since that is where he started. and i don't think being in a party/kart/sports game with each other counts as intertwined. donkey kong and wario have made **** good carrears for themselves seperate from mario, they are remembered for their own series, their own games, not as being that guy who fought mario that one time

 

[Stryks]

Bowser Jr.... is like Bowser! OH WAIT, he can turn into Shadow Mario! Now he's just like Mario.....

Toad is a B attack, and will probably stay that way. And Daisy is an alternate color.

Petey is a lot more original. Not to mention he has been in more games then all of those filler character combined! Seriously, don't argue with me about Petey, because you know he has as much of a chance as any of those "loser" characters people keep mentioning.

Wait peyter is a priahna plant with legs, OMG ORIGINAL!

Ok now I can tell ur age is wrong, ur very closed minded, and just believe what ever pops in ur head without thinking about it:

Petey has a painbursh, THAT ALONE brings a new wave of moves, he can use his flame as much as bowser, he would be fatester, give him brush copter, paint blob, and shadow mario? yeah an acuatic evil mairo will SURELY use fire to attack... he can use solid defense, trap people in his water-like self, use the brush in a more powerful way than bowser jr and so on...

Daisy has grown to be a more original character, being more of a tomboy, she can be a slower, heavier and stronger character than peach, using soccer kicks or maybe her earthquake from strikers...

U know they CAN change ONE B move for peach so toad can be in, peach can have a move from super princess peach and we got toad, petey doesnt have as much of a big chance, he DOES have a chance and I admit it, but others have a WAY better shot...

So how come Petey is ALWAYS a boss or a main playable character in every Mario game? Because he has potential! Petey would be a worthwhile addition compared to Toad. What exactly has Toad done again? Oh right, he was playable in one game. You know, Petey has been a villain in several games already, I guess that doesn't count for anything now does it?

Wasn't Petey a main in Mario Strikers: Charged and Mario Power Tennis? Where was Toad? Oh right, the sidelines....

Woah wait wasnt bowser jr, and daisy part of strikers? ur logic fails, seeing how u named them loser characters, how is petey not a losetr then??
Bowser jr plays more of a boss than petey, so by ur logic he'll be in WAY 1st than petey,.... really sandman u dont use logic and facts to back up anything, from lucario to petey being playable, u just want them in, make up somethings and keep using that to defend urself and to believe ur character will be in brawl...

 

[The_Corax_King]

Mario was created as Donkey Kong's protagonist. Mario is a part of the DK universe.

And...?

Mario took off and gained far more popularity than Donkey Kong... Mario isn't included in Donkey Kong games, but DK is included in mario games...


And 1 or 2 games my @$$...


Mario Kart, Party, and all the sports games are not just "1 or 2"

I am not saying that they should have Mario logos...

All I am saying is that they are all part of the same family. The original reason I said this was because sandman said that there were only 4 mario characters...

Only 4 characters that don't have their own games... but they are ALL mario characters in the end...

 

[_the_sandman_]

I don't know why so many people are this thick headed about my opinions. When I make a statement like "Petey has more worth than Bowser Jr." I always have a good reason to back up my claims. Believe it or not I have worthwhile evidence to anything I say. And at least I'm being logical about my claims!

Just like... How Slippy should be in Brawl instead of Wolf
Just like... How Skull Kid or Tingle shouldn't be in Brawl

and of course.... How SQUIRTLE should be in Brawl! And why LUCARIO shouldn't!

 

[Stryks]

OMFG I SINCERELY hope ur kididng about slippy > wolf...

So far u have given absolutely NO REASON WHY LUCARIO CANT BE IN, AND WHY PETEY > THE REST OF THE MARIOS, just give me ONE full post, ONE saying WHY lucario, bowser jr and daisy cant be in... withouth ur pathetic *only 1st gen in brawl* and *theyre fillers lets add petey!*

I doubt u can cause so far nothing u have said it true, and I DARE u respond my last post...

 

[The_Corax_King]

Actually I retract my statement about DK...


He's pretty independent, he's been independent for a long long time... I don't know what I was thinking...


But Yoshi and Wario are still mario characters IMO...

 

[ClarkJables]

no they are not mario characters, mario took off but so did donkey kong, that doesn't mean donkey kong should be assimilated into the marioverse because he isn't as popular. and that **** sure doesn't go for wario, who is popular like nobody's buisness, at this point all mario has is seniority which doesn't count for much these days.

and if you say those mario party/kart/sports game count for anything, thne that means waluigi is in brawl because he has been in so many mario games he must be important to the series


WARIO IS NOT A MARIO CHARACTER, he has tons of games to seperate him from mario, not like yoshi who had yoshi's island

 

[Circus]

This is starting to bother me. . . .

Here's the thing about the Wario/Yoshi/DK situation. They are not characters from separate from franchises that just happen to appear in Mario Party games and the like. The are characters from the Mario universe[/u] that happen to have successful solo games, and due to their success, the creators have started to develop them in that way.

They are all still partial Mario characters. They have ties to Mario that character such as, say, Link and Samus do not. Wario, Yoshi, and DK are linked to the Mario universe. This is fact. You can't effectively argue it.

 

[The_Corax_King]

So if they continued to give Peach her own games... would she not be a mario character either?

Or if they started making games with Bowser and no mario in site... would bowser no longer be a mario character??


DK had games seperated from mario from the start... he is the only exception...

 

[ClarkJables]

why isn't wario, he appeared in one mario game and then i believe a japanese mario game and then he went off and did warioland, warioworld, and warioware. he is seperate, we don't even know if those games take place in the same universe or not, and if they did then bomberman and stafy would be linked to mario because they were in a wario crossover game. the arguement holds no water. if princess peach did 3 more SPP games and then branched off and did several other series with her and no mario and at the same time did not appear in mario adventure games then yes, she could change her symbol.

 

[The_Corax_King]

But she would still be a mario character, no?

 

[Circus]

no they are not mario characters, mario took off but so did donkey kong, that doesn't mean donkey kong should be assimilated into the marioverse because he isn't as popular.

He isn't being assimilated into anything. Mario and DK have been together since the beginning. DK has branched off, yes. He's pretty independent. But he still started with Mario in his game (ignoring the fact that it was technically called "Donkey Kong". That really isn't that important). There IS a reason he's included in the Mario Party and Kart games. They didn't just decide to grab a Nintendo character like Link or something. They pick characters that are tied to the Marioverse. DK counts.

and that **** sure doesn't go for wario, who is popular like nobody's buisness, at this point all mario has is seniority which doesn't count for much these days.

Popularity doesn't mean anything. He was still created to be Mario's rival. Yes, he has his own games now, but those old ties to Mario are still there.

and if you say those mario party/kart/sports game count for anything, thne that means waluigi is in brawl because he has been in so many mario games he must be important to the series

This is what really irks me.

We are not saying that all characters from the Marioverse should be in Brawl, we are just saying that THROUGH games such as Mario Party, DK, Yoshi and Wario keep their ties to Mario. You are putting words in Corax's mouth. There was no mention of all the Party characters being worthy of Brawl spots.

WARIO IS NOT A MARIO CHARACTER, he has tons of games to seperate him from mario, not like yoshi who had yoshi's island

He started out as Mario's rival. He has his own solo career, sure, but he's still PARTIALLY connected.

It's like Justin Timberlake. Sure, he ditched Nsync, but he's still a ****ing boy bander.

 

[ClarkJables]

no, he wouldn't be justin timberlake. he would be an artist that started out in a band then became so popular he quit the band and had a wonderufl solo carear, sure in some respect he is connected to that bad but does that mean we forget about everything he did since. and yes, saying wario and dk count as mario characters is the same as saying they should all have the mushroom symbol

 

[The_Corax_King]

Thank you Circus... the only thing though is DK is separate IMO...

Mario did first appear in HIS game... but mario easily became the "leader" of the series...

DK did start his own games in the beginning... so he is his own character (as I have said before)


Edit: I CLEARLY stated that I didn't mean them to all have mushroom symbols...

I origianlly started this whole thing because sandman said that 5 pokemon would outnumber mario characters... I said pokemon would never outnumber mario characters because Mario has:

Mario
Peach
Bowswer
Luigi
Wario
Yoshi

 

[_the_sandman_]

OMFG I SINCERELY hope ur kididng about slippy > wolf...

So far u have given absolutely NO REASON WHY LUCARIO CANT BE IN, AND WHY PETEY > THE REST OF THE MARIOS, just give me ONE full post, ONE saying WHY lucario, bowser jr and daisy cant be in... withouth ur pathetic *only 1st gen in brawl* and *theyre fillers lets add petey!*

I doubt u can cause so far nothing u have said it true, and I DARE u respond my last post...

Hehehe... I'll take on this challenge! This should be a snap!

First of all, the Pokemon series are different than the Mario games. The Pokemon list changes in every game, while the Mario list tends to stay the same. So saying a 1st gen pokemon has more of a chance over the 4th gen makes sense to me. Because the list is constantly changing and the original fans are getting older, more people remember the 1st gen over the 4th gen. Just because you still play pokemon doesn't mean the rest of us still play it! Mario on other hand recycles characters to keep up with its classic traditions of Bowser capturing the Princess. New foes come into the picture to stur up trouble for Mario, but its still the same idea.

So while Lucario isn't recognizable because old fans lost interest in the Pokemon series, old fans of Mario have come across Petey because they still play Mario games. I stongly believe that anyone that is a Nintendo fan, is a fan of Mario. Not buying a Mario game for a Nintendo system just doesn't make sense to me. Since Mario constantly recycles their characters, that means anyone that plays a Mario game at this point will know who Petey is!

Now lets compare Petey to the other characters....


Daisy - Appeared in one game. Was only revived to fill up the quota for sport games.
Toad - Only playable in one game that America made up. Doesn't have much to offer as a playable character. (Seriously, what would he do?) And from time to time he is always left off to the side, his role is very insignificant at this point.
Waluigi - Never appeared in a real Mario or a real Wario game.
Bowser Jr. - Too similar to Bowser (Or Mario). His role in the Mario series really isn't important anymore, he is just a quota character now. He was good in Sunshine but that is all he has.

Now lets look at Petey. He has appeared in every single Mario game since Sunshine, except for the Paper Mario games. He is very wacky which would spice up the roster list for Brawl, you see many characters are far too serious and I feel Petey would give a little more life to the game. He would probably be another heavyweight to the roster, which is something the list was missing. And he has several moves that would be new to the Smash series, such as Wind attacks and Sludge. So when you think about it, his style and moveset are much more unique compared to many other characters.


You could say I'm wrong, but you also said Squirtle isn't playable in Brawl, recently. I find anything you say anymore hard to believe at this point....

 

[ClarkJables]

exactly corax, you said that. by saying that wario counts as a mario character you are saying he should have a mushroom symbol. in smash he has his own symbol for a reason, because he earned it. sure he started out as mario's rival, but he DIDN'T stay mario's rival, he said to himself "screw this im going solo" and he went out and he did it. so because he was once related to the mairoverse at one time he is put in the party/sports/kart game, and he also gives mario a cameo in a few minigames to show appreciation for starting his carrear, but otherwise he is his own guy, with his own games and his own universe. now it might be a neighboring universe but it is his own universe none the less. he doesn't live in the mushroom kingdom, he isn't a citizen there, so why should he be treated as one