The Metal Discussion (Come in here for the chugga chuzz of the br00tal metal)

[Luigitoilet]

You still don't quite understand. I'm not talking about tech death. Emotion doesn't necessarily imply introversion or the cliche idea. Rather I simply mean meaning behind the music; an idea or motive. Not just pretty guitar work because it's hard to play.

I'm confused. Are you saying that there aren't metal bands that are guilty of this?

anyhow, here's a couple modern metalcore/post-hardcore songs that are about passion and atmosphere before technicality.

HORSE- Big Business (especially the last half) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eHo4aYOt6M

Darkest Hour- Ethereal Drain http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VEaSsmGioU there's some crazy shredding here but again, it totally works and is not shredding for the sake of shredding.

Alexisonfire- A Dagger Through the Heart of St. Angeles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQyQZocCAzo

Cephalic Carnage- Hybrid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E2eg6gfEipw has one of the strangest, most nauseating atmosphere around

There are plenty of valid criticisms for metalcore, I just don't think "mindless technicality" is one of them.

 

[Red the Ghost]

I'm saying the majority of metalcore is guilty of it and has far more punk influence than metal. If a bunch of indie bands added heavy bass and breakdowns, would you call them metal? You said yourself that 80% of the genre is garbage. And some bands aren't metalcore, but they classify themselves as metal and don't know anything.

 

[the melon!!!!!]

I didn't think a band like Alexisonfire counted in that group, but I guess that song does (def their heaviest one).

Sadly, Red is right on this, most of the genre does take from more punk influences, but that's mostly because the genre is also a branch off of hardcore, which, as you know, is heavily influenced by punk. You can't expect everybody to just go one way with it though, so that's why we have a few good bands that break from that track, like the ones LuigiToilet listed. That's just how it goes usually. I personally think that most bands that are supposedly metalcore should be called hardcore because of that heaver punk influence. BUT, genres are just random groups. I mostly just go by good music, not bad music, and bad music.

 

[Palpi]

I don't think people should pay attention to genres. If you like it...you like it...get over it.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I don't think people should pay attention to genres. If you like it...you like it...get over it.

At the end of the day that's what it's all about. I wouldn't mind if the thread was named something like "heavy music discussion" or somesuch.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

I know right,to me Metal is Metal,the sub genre labels dont mean anything to me,If I listen to a metal band that happends to sound good to me Ill like em.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I know right,to me Metal is Metal,the sub genre labels dont mean anything to me,If I listen to a metal band that happends to sound good to me Ill like em.

If I listen to anything that sounds good to me, I listen to it. But if I happen to find out later on, at some point in time, that the band went on a murder frenzy or supported a load of bs that I'm against; that are against my beliefs, I'll stop supporting them. Basically where I stand.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Leave Mayhem and Gorgoroth out of this

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I think of it like this:

If you see a cop doing drugs (which there are in some cases), it's kind of hypocritical for a cop to be doing that sort of thing, considering that they enforce the law yet break it. Why would you support someone like that?

Just my example... Not a good one, but I tried off the top of my head.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Thats actually a good ex. cause alot of cops do that,which is real screwed up.

 

[Luigitoilet]

That's not a good example at all actually. Music making has absolutely nothing to do with something like enforcing the law. It would only be hypocritical of a metal band to do immoral things if the band spouted religious/moral themes in their music.

 

[gm jack]

That's not a good example at all actually. Music making has absolutely nothing to do with something like enforcing the law. It would only be hypocritical of a metal band to do immoral things if the band spouted religious/moral themes in their music.

Exactly. Bands like Behemoth make it well known they aren't fans of religion, so when they sing anti-religious songs, it's hardly hypocritical or hurting anyone.

Besides, a band has no power unless you let it. It's just a collection of sounds in the end. Lyrics with typically taboo themes can either be absolutely horrific and against everything you stand for, or they just sound pretty good with the music. Not many Cannibal Corpse fans want to go around killing people in the most horrific ways possible. Not all Deicide fans are deistic satanists. However, people listen to them because they like what they here.

TL;DR What is the difference between a piece of music singing about murder and you average horror film?

 

[Red the Ghost]

And if you listen to a metal song and get insulted by it, you're basically doing what they wanted in the first place.

TL;DR What is the difference between a piece of music singing about murder and you average horror film?

That's it right there. Horror movies are also one of the things that inspired the genre anyway.

@ Luigitoilet: Perhaps there are just too many scenesters in my classes. Glad I'm graduating in a month. Also, find me a cephalic carnage link that doesn't have so much static, it was interesting.

 

[Luigitoilet]

And if you listen to a metal song and get insulted by it, you're basically doing what they wanted in the first place.


That's it right there. Horror movies are also one of the things that inspired the genre anyway.

@ Luigitoilet: Perhaps there are just too many scenesters in my classes. Glad I'm graduating in a month. Also, find me a cephalic carnage link that doesn't have so much static, it was interesting.

Yea youtube quality sucks.

http://shop.relapse.com/artist/artist.aspx?ArtistID=10021

They have two songs on their label site.

My personal favorite one is "Lucid Interval" . that's on their myspace (as is a slightly higher quality version of "Hybrids"

http://www.myspace.com/cephaliccarnage

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

But not all black metal bands are against religion,look at Amon Amarth their musics about viking folktales and stuff relavent to that matter.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

But not all black metal bands are against religion,look at Amon Amarth their musics about viking folktales and stuff relavent to that matter.

I said nothing of that; there's the share of both good and bad metal bands. It's just a matter of what they support and how their actions indicate their beliefs.

 

[Vermy]

Amon Amarth are not black metal lol. An example of non-religious black metal would be Graveworm.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Amon Amarth are not black metal lol. An example of non-religious black metal would be Graveworm.

Amon Amartrh is a type of Black Metal,a side from Cradle Of Filth,Behemoth and all the other sterotypical Black Metal

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Edit: This post doesn't exist. xD

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Wrong topic genius!!!

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

Wrong topic genius!!!

I caught that, xD my apologies

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

It's ok good sir, now, how about Lordi and GWAR :]

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

It's ok good sir, now, how about Lordi and GWAR :]

Lordi is a good band, never seen them live... GWAR is just... Weird? Live.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

They are both awesome, I'd love to see GWAR live, come back covered in blood that would be so bad ***.

 

[gm jack]

Umm, Amon Amarth are melodic death metal. Behemoth are blackened death (more to the death side of things recently).

The biggest example of non-religious black metal I can think of would be Immortal.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Immortal's a great black metal band.

 

[Luigitoilet]

GWAR is more a theater production than an actual band. Their music sucks, but it's all about the show.

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

GWAR is more a theater production than an actual band. Their music sucks, but it's all about the show.

That's basically where I stand with Gwar, you just put it into words much better.

 

[gm jack]

Ronnie James Dio dies a few hours ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYlDltwm-JY

 

[Red the Ghost]

I came here to post that as well. The man was a legend in metal. May he rest in peace.

Official source

 

[Jane]

holy shiiiiit....


RIP RJD


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[Red the Ghost]

Made a thread for it.

 

[Luigitoilet]

I came here to post that as well. The man was a legend in metal. May he rest in peace.

Official source

What the fuuuuuuuuuck.

Dio>Ozzy

 

[GreenFox]

I saw Lordi at ozzfest they put on a good theatrical act and I used to like the musically but yeah they arent very good.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Lordi has a classical sound to em,I respect that.

 

[gm jack]

They got "fame" from winning a European song contest, which is classically hilariously bad. I would question respecting them, or what your definition of a classical sound is.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Like a classic power metal sound to them,I like it alot.

 

[Red the Ghost]

That's not generally what one means by 'classical.'

 

[Miamisportsfan45]

I view Lordi as more of a Gwar kind of point of view, too. Which is more theatrical type of band.

 

[BrutalXSpawn]

Im just sayin,from Lordi's appereance you wouldnt expect that sound from them.