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The Marth Support Thread - Fire Emblem's First Lord is Confirmed!
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DekuBoy
Smash Lord
Was Micaiah in FE10? I thought she was just in that one on Wii.
FE10 was the one on the Wii.
Shadow Calibur
Smash Ace
FE10 IS that one on Wii.
Me too, I wish.
DekuBoy
Smash Lord
Oh sorry. Is Ike in that? I've never played FE.
DekuBoy
Smash Lord
I'm a FE noob.
lol no
you're just trying to get information. Don't call yourself a noob. New-bie seems better word, because you are new with Fire Emblem right?
IShotLazer
Smash Journeyman
I'm actually against marth even though he is one of my mains, he doesn't really have a place. We don't really care about him for his character. It just matters if a Fire Emblem character is in, after that I don't really care. The only reason everyone wants marth in anyways is because he is good.
Okysho
Smash Ace
If he's one of your mains and you don't really care about his character, with all the other reasons why do you think he doesn't have a place? He's got as much place as Ike does, possibly more since it would be Marth's second Smash bros game. I don't care about Mario for his character (nor his games for that matter) but I still don't complain about him being in the game, nor do I about DK and especially Wario and Snake.
What you're saying is just personal preference, and I suppose there's nothing wrong with that since everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're pretty useless when they come to character debates, especially because a) it's all up to Sakurai b) not everyone thinks the same way as another person.
Sorry if that sounded a little harsh what I meant to say was try and be logical about it, you saw the first post, More than any FE character, Marth deserves the spot more than anyone else if he doesn't already have it (since no unlockable characters from either past smash games have been revealed, though we can all safely assume that just about everyone with an original moveset will return [ganondorf being the exception])
On that happy note, CoroCoro comics' interview is released tomorrow if we don't find out the starting roster sometime here tomorrow we'll certainly have something on the dojo! Unless this whole thing was a big lie! ^_^ no worries!!
Okysho out!
What you're saying is just personal preference, and I suppose there's nothing wrong with that since everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but they're pretty useless when they come to character debates, especially because a) it's all up to Sakurai b) not everyone thinks the same way as another person.
Sorry if that sounded a little harsh what I meant to say was try and be logical about it, you saw the first post, More than any FE character, Marth deserves the spot more than anyone else if he doesn't already have it (since no unlockable characters from either past smash games have been revealed, though we can all safely assume that just about everyone with an original moveset will return [ganondorf being the exception])
On that happy note, CoroCoro comics' interview is released tomorrow if we don't find out the starting roster sometime here tomorrow we'll certainly have something on the dojo! Unless this whole thing was a big lie! ^_^ no worries!!
Okysho out!
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Now the whole thing will show up if CoroCoro actually KNOWS about the starting roster, or not.
Anyways, I just got kicked (literally) in the face for not having info of ANY character, pfft.
I just hope it's around the 18-24 or more starters.
Okysho
Smash Ace
Actually it's already up somewhere on the boards, the comics publication didn't tell us anything that we didn't already know Yay again for the big disappointment!
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
I guess you just got mindgamed. Personally I don't think we'll get any character updates for a while thanks to that 2 month delay. I think the current updates are just fillers because Sakurai wasn't originally planning to fill an extra two months with updates. He also will probably hold part of the final roster until right before the game's release like he did with melee.
And I don't see why everyone's being so pessimistic about the number of characters in brawl. I still think we could easily get 35-40 characters. Sakurai doesn't have to reveal all of the characters until the actual game is released you know.
And I don't see why everyone's being so pessimistic about the number of characters in brawl. I still think we could easily get 35-40 characters. Sakurai doesn't have to reveal all of the characters until the actual game is released you know.
Okysho
Smash Ace
but think of it this way, that two month delay filler stuff is almost done. probably before the end of the month we'll start getting characters again. considering that the japanese release is Jan 24th Having said that Sakurai had mentioned that he wanted to get ALL the chacaters up on the dojo before the games release (jp release ) because he dind't want the info getting out via the internet and undergounds sources ect. by posting the characters himself it's his way taking matters into his own hands, whether we'll be told if they're unlockable or not or how they'll be unlocked or not is a different story.
axemangx
Smash Champion
Oh look! The Marth fanboy!
Okysho
Smash Ace
WTF That has nothing to do with Marth! Wow! You're such a noob! Get a real job instead of spamming the boards!
Okysho
Smash Ace
Noob! Go home!
I can tell you for a fact thats not true for me. I don't care whether Marth is good or not - I didn't even know he was such in Melee until I came to these boards - because I'm not a competitive player. Given the prevailing opinion of his Melee abilities, I fully expect he'll not be as good in Brawl as he was in Melee, and am just fine with that. I want Marth because hes Marth, not because of his in-game abilities, just as I supported Sonic because of who he is, not because I want a super-fast character in the game. Certainly I can guarantee you this is the case with his Japanese fans as well - he sure wasn't the #11 pick for a newcomer in Melee because people expected him to be good, since they had no way of knowing who would be good and who would be bad.
Now obviously I can't speak for anyone else, but you'd have a hard time convincing me that everyone who has signed up as a supporter did so merely because of Marth's in-game abilities from Melee, especially given the posts some have made display a good knowledge of the FE series or even indicate having played imports of Marth's games.
He didn't even mention Marth in the post you quoted. Please, don't post such flame-bait here. Nobody appreciates it, and it only results in you losing peoples' respect.axemangx said:
Zevox
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
You speak out of ignorance, so I shall forgive.
Marth was a beloved character way before melee, he is absolutely a cultural Icon in Japan. Furthermore, melee functioned to give him exposure which gave people on this side of the pacific the opportunity to finally discovered the character, not because he was good, but because they honestly liked the character once they discovered him. Many of them become Fire Emblem fans, not realizing the series existed before they discovered Marth and Roy.
Hell, look at Roy, he's got a pretty nice US fanbase and he's a weak character. But people thought he was cool and looked up his history, and fell in love with the character.
I find the same is true of Sheik, people who did not play OoT discovered the character with melee and that led them to the character's soyrce, not because the character was strong, but because the character was cool.
But even without the now considerable US fanbase, his Japanese fanbase is still massive, always hass been, melee will not change that.
Okysho
Smash Ace
Did anyone see the thread on that article in the general discussion section? It's a half paragraph thing that says that Ike and Lyn are replacing Marth and Roy
Okysho
Smash Ace
it's a silly article that says that because of Ike and Lyn's inclusion in brawl Marth and Roy will be replaced... hoever about two seconds ago, Zevox just destroyed it with info from the first post
I saw it, and commented on it. Basically, it looks like typical ignorant assumption on the part of someone with no knowledge of FE. The small article it comes from is obviously just leeching off the Dojo (it used wide screen of all things as one of it's "reasons you'll love Brawl"), and given thats the only claim it makes that isn't confirmed by the Dojo, I'm not inclined to trust it (especially given the claim has an AT replacing a playable character, which is idiocy if I've ever heard it).
Zevox
Probably not. He has fairly little going for him. Like all of the GBA Lords, he is not well liked in Japan or among the few folks who imported his game elsewhere. He doesn't have the advantage of being a multi-game character that Ike and Marth do, and occupies no special position in the saga. Even though Melee brought him international, his game remaining Japan-only might be seen as an additional reason against him too. The most important thing about him is his appearance in Melee, and most of his fans come from that rather than his Fire Emblem appearance.
Theres always the off chance he might just make it, though, if Sakurai & co decide to give in to his Melee fans. He might also get replaced by his father, Eliwood, who is better liked in Japan and has his game released internationally, and who is quite similar to Roy in both appearance and abilities. Personally, I don't expect either though.
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In my oppinion, Roy got between the GBA Lords, the best chances of returning, but the problem with the possible slots for the FE roster, makes hard the deal, the likely roster will be 3, and the MAX could be 4 IMO.
If there are 4, i'd like to see Marth, Sigurd, Roy and Ike. IMO, these are the most important and liked Lords in the Fire Emblem universe.
IkexMarth
Smash Journeyman
Go to the gamefaq forums, they are saying Marth is getting axed, but have no idea yet..
Zevox, you rock! You destroyed every arguement possible. Marth is going to be in. BTW, is fe 11 for America or just Japan. Again very wel done!
Zevox, you rock! You destroyed every arguement possible. Marth is going to be in. BTW, is fe 11 for America or just Japan. Again very wel done!
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
It's assumed that it's going to be international, because all of them since FE7 have been. It's also been confirmed to have Wi-Fi, so it'd be kinda pointless if it was Japan exclusive.
IkexMarth
Smash Journeyman
^ Good point, forgot it had wi-fi.
Okysho
Smash Ace
Lol they are all Noobs! you should direct them here!
Roy-Kun
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And make this a spam topic?
Gamefaqs is filled with spam noobs, dealing with them ends in spam.
IkexMarth
Smash Journeyman
There should be at least 4 because FE is quite big, having over 11 games and many lords. I would Like Marth, Roy, Sigurd/Eliwood, and Ike would be a good selection.
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
Well, I don't think we'll be getting 4 reps, but I can definately see 3 happening.
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If there appears 4 FE reps, I will love Sakurai forever.Well, I don't think we'll be getting 4 reps, but I can definately see 3 happening.
...Literally.
IkexMarth
Smash Journeyman
3 is also good. I mean I don't think we'll get another rep from Tellius. Although Black Knight can be a boss. Marth is in The other one should either be Sigurd, roy, and eliwood. That be good.
Okysho
Smash Ace
My bads... didn't realize...
I'm actually a little skeptical about there being even 3 FE reps, if the roster were a little bigger I would agree, but from the looks of things it's much smaller than we anticipated...
Dark Sonic
Smash Hero
People are stressing because of the lack of character updates, but they have all forgotten that Sakurai has done this before. We didn't know the full melee roster until right before the release. It was a sudden flood of character updates. Why exactly can't Sakurai do the same thing here?
I've seen GameFAQs, and honestly, I lost all respect for most of their posters a long time ago. They were the reason I went to NSider before I learned about this place - even that spam-filled nightmare was better than GameFAQs. That site is great for information about games, not so good for getting intelligent discussions going.
...and I've just taken a look at their site, and yeah, they're jumping to all sorts of inane conclusions, citing that EGM article we mentioned earlier, and a post by a supposed insider named Serebii (and that one doesn't even mention Marth, he just says that not all characters who didn't make it to Brawl from Melee were clones, which is probably a reference to Ness).
Edit: According to Chronobound's thread, Serebii also gave the more specific statement that Lucario would be replacing Mewtwo in Brawl, which would bring us up to 2 such characters. Doesn't seem entirely impossible to believe, given just how many Pokèmon there are to choose from and how readily their popularity can shift. He and Ness would probably account for the above comment.
As for Fire Emblem DS, nothing specific about where or when it will be released yet, but like was said, it makes the most sense for it to be international, since every FE game since 7 has been, plus since Marth is already known via Melee they have a solid market for it already.
Much as I wish it could be so, I highly doubt it. Remember that Fire Emblem's popularity outside of Japan is still just mediocre, and it only recently made it to the international scene anyway. With Sakurai trying to make Brawl with a worldwide audience principally in mind, I'd put the likely number of FE characters at 2-3. To get to four we'd need a larger roster than anticipated - in the upper forties to even fifty range, I'd say.IkexMarth said:
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