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The Marth Support Thread - Fire Emblem's First Lord is Confirmed!

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i just cant see marth not being in face it
he was if not is the most popular char
in melee. and his appearence in melee
also made fire emblem known in North America
and Europe so i hope marth is back!
 

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So ture ^^ :lol:

As for Ike, I think he's a disappointment to everyone. But that's just my take.
I'm not disappointed with Ike, I think his style will suit me pretty well and I'll be using him a lot. With enough training and skill, people will manage with Ike just fine in my opinion.
 

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I didn't know Gaiden was the least liked game...I thought it was one of the GBA's.... :( oh well, Celica would have been the 2nd most original lord after only Leaf....
 

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What I really want to play is FE5. It'd be intresting to see how I fare in the hardest FE game in history.
From what I've heard, the maniac mode in Radiant Dawn (hard mode in the US version) is supposed to be close to it in difficulty. Because of some gameplay mechanics that only FE 5 had it is supposed to be even harder though (Wikipedia mentions a "fatigue" system where characters who are used too often wind up too tired to participate in a chapter later, forcing you to use more different characters than other FE games do, which I can well imagine making quite a lot of difference in the difficulty).

But yeah, that'd be interesting to try. I just finished part 1 of RD on hard/maniac, and it was a real struggle through most of those levels (the only ones I had an easy time on were the prologue, 1-7, and 1-9). If Thracia 776 is even harder, it'd be either insanely frustrating or ultimately fun and challenging, depending on how fast you lose your temper with such things.

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This Just In!!! Marth definitely wont be in Brawl because Takamaru will replace him!!!!
>_<
>_>
 

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Seriously i get your joke of WG >_> Most of his final predictions were good...

...Except no moar ACer , It's missing marth, No moar falco D:...
I don't know about the animal crossing guy. Ever since the DS icon was revealed, I've come to doubt that all series with an icon will get a character. I think its distinctly possible that Animal Crossing just got that icon because it has a stage, just like the DS icon. Its still possible an AC character will show up, but I'm no longer convinced its anywhere near guaranteed.

But yeah, Marth has always been a big hole in his predictions, and the fact that he cut both Falco and Wolf as possible Star Fox characters seems pretty ridiculous to me too. Obviously Krystal is the most likely new Star Fox character, but that doesn't exclude the other two.

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and the fact that he cut both Falco and Wolf as possible Star Fox characters seems pretty ridiculous to me too. Obviously Krystal is the most likely new Star Fox character, but that doesn't exclude the other two.

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Yeah i forgot to mention that in his thread too.
 

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Falco and Wolf are out? :ohwell: when did that happen? Oh and I doubt Marth's return, everybody's reason is that he's the first of them and I don't think it matters anyway since Ness has been placed before the first character (forgot his name) and I don't see how being the first makes any sense. Then again is his upcoming remake, too weird to judge.
 

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I don't know about the animal crossing guy. Ever since the DS icon was revealed, I've come to doubt that all series with an icon will get a character. I think its distinctly possible that Animal Crossing just got that icon because it has a stage, just like the DS icon. Its still possible an AC character will show up, but I'm no longer convinced its anywhere near guaranteed.

But yeah, Marth has always been a big hole in his predictions, and the fact that he cut both Falco and Wolf as possible Star Fox characters seems pretty ridiculous to me too. Obviously Krystal is the most likely new Star Fox character, but that doesn't exclude the other two.

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Dr.Lobe = Ds icon rep :laugh:.
But seriously AC Is more of an icon and has sold 4X More then starfox to nintendo, I'm hoping for a rep but....<_<.

And that's true, He should also put back on falco but i can't really see why SF Deserves 3 Reps :ohwell: (Don't get me wrong; I Want it to happen but...Explain for me why it should please?) Because FE Actually has more going for it for a third rep (Was one of the only THREE Franchises to get two reps on it's first go around, The only one to do it in melee and it was japanese only, Now that it's popularity has swept to the U.S. With a couple of it's games...:psycho: .)
 

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Falco and Wolf are out? :ohwell: when did that happen? Oh and I doubt Marth's return, everybody's reason is that he's the first of them and I don't think it matters anyway since Ness has been placed before the first character (forgot his name) and I don't see how being the first makes any sense. Then again is his upcoming remake, too weird to judge.
No, Falco and Wolf aren't out - Wiseguy's newest set of predictions simply lacks them, which makes no sense to most of us. As for Marth, I'd recommend reading the first post of this thread. Theres plenty more reasons for him to be in than just that he was the first Lord of the series - more reasons than any other single Fire Emblem character has, including Ike.

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but i can't really see why SF Deserves 3 Reps (Don't get me wrong; I Want it to happen but...Explain for me why it should please?)
Popularity, chiefly. Obviously, even though the Star Fox series is small, it is a huge hit with Nintendo fans. Big enough to be one of the only two series other than the big 3 to get two characters in Melee, for instance. Personally, I simply think that Falco will return (if what I've heard is right, hes probably the most popular Star Fox character of them all, so I can't see him being removed) and Krystal will be added (popular + unique + Sakurai's interest [3 mentions on the "poll"] + important to series = easy in).

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Popularity, chiefly. Obviously, even though the Star Fox series is small, it is a huge hit with Nintendo fans. Big enough to be one of the only two series other than the big 3 to get two characters in Melee, for instance. Personally, I simply think that Falco will return (if what I've heard is right, hes probably the most popular Star Fox character of them all, so I can't see him being removed) and Krystal will be added (popular + unique + Sakurai's interest [3 mentions on the "poll"] + important to series = easy in).

Zevox
Makes sence, So do you support claus :p? Anyhow i get it now...:o...Hmm i really hope michiah is added in with Ike and Marth :p.
 

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if anything else i hope Sakurai doesn't over-rep any perticular FE game (same with the MOTHER series) i don't think he will either (IMO)
 

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Makes sence, So do you support claus :p? Anyhow i get it now...:o...Hmm i really hope michiah is added in with Ike and Marth :p.
Don't know what to think of Claus. I've never played any of the Mother/Earthbound series. So it'd be most accurate to say I'm neutral towards him (and anyone else from the series).

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*MAJOR FE 10 Spoilers below*

Um, I really don't think their relationship was like that. The impression I got was simply that Sephiran was the only friend Zelgius ever had, and the only person who had some idea of what he went through as a Branded. There didn't seem to be any implications that the relationship was sexual - Zelgius was just blindly loyal to Sephiran because he was the only person he could truly trust.

Besides, remember Sephiran is Lehran, the husband of Altina and ancestor of Sanaki, Micaiah, and the Heron royals - plainly, hes not homosexual. Bisexual is possible, but I don't think the evidence supports it personally.

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YEah I know I was exaggerating... but the way they acted at their deaths really portrayed that... kinda scary actually...
 

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Don't know what to think of Claus. I've never played any of the Mother/Earthbound series. So it'd be most accurate to say I'm neutral towards him (and anyone else from the series).

Zevox
Go to the claus support thread and support him :p. (Or learn about him there.)
Also i might do a roster prediction thread on here :D (Don't worry, It will have marth :laugh:.) Anyhow this is still a GREAT Thread i'd say...Oh and is it ok if i add you as a friend ? Just wondering...:p.
 

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Hey Zevox, do you think that you could include in the thread title something like... "READ FIRST POST BEFORE ARGUING?" or something like that? there are a lot of repeated arguments throughout the thread and it's starting to get annoying
 

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Considering that most of the evidence points to it, I think overall, we can all agree that most veteran characters with original movesets will be returning not only do I say this because it makes logical sense, but also because Sakurai himself said that Melee was supposed to be the final Smash bros game (from a previous blog post on the original dojo) so what purpose would he have to ditch original moveset characters that he had previously wanted in the first game?

If you're going to bring up clones, consider that Melee was rushed also! Ganondorf was in such hight demand that he just HAD to be in melee regardless of his moveset, since the case of melee being the final game no longer applies, Sakurai can reflect and improve upon his mistakes rather than ditch characters just for the hell of it.

If that doesn't convince you, think about how Sakurai had originally wanted Lucas in melee but because of mother 3's delay never made it into the game. Also, consider why Ganondorf is being re-done, clones removed and the mass amount of fan's calls being answered to Sonic, dedede and Snake

This isn't just a sequal, it's a chance for Sakurai to fix up what he messed up in Melee
 

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You definitely have my support and have boosted my morale for Marth's return. Marth is my main in melee and will be my main in brawl. Furthermore, I hope he does get nerfed to about mid-high to mid tier.

I agree his grab game and air game should remain unaltered because his character was built to be a swift and refined swordsman.
The strength of some of his ground attacks do deserve to be toned down a bit, for example his f-smash, f-tilt, and u-tilt have too much knockback. Those were especially the attacks the noobs complained about in the first place, which gets very annoying.
In my opinion, the brawl physics seem to indirectly nerf him anyways. With the auto sweetspot feature edgeguarding seems to be more difficult (Marth's #1 kill method). Also with characters (even Fox) becoming much floatier, chaingrabbing looks to be far less effective.

In regards to Ike's early confirmation. It seems like they are placing a lot of newcomers into the starting roster this time around most likely to stir up hype, thus increasing sales.
Like you have mentioned before, not one previously unlockable character has been confirmed yet. Many of the veterans are possibly being held back to create even more hype, since Sakurai himself has stated that not all veterans will return.
Marth may have got delayed due to being Japan exclusive. Now by confirming Ike first tons of hype would generate in more than one fashion.
#1) Ike is the most popular Fire Emblem character worldwide. This makes sense to add him first because the DOJO itself is updated in many regions throughout the world, making him a perfect starter.
#2) Speculation about Marth's return (and Roy's to some) will arise. Considering the lack of confirmed veterans revealed thus far, Sakurai is definately trying to keep the suspense up.

Now if they revealed them in the reverse order, they would have lost some tension in the long run IMO.
 

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You definitely have my support and have boosted my morale for Marth's return. Marth is my main in melee and will be my main in brawl. Furthermore, I hope he does get nerfed to about mid-high to mid tier.

I agree his grab game and air game should remain unaltered because his character was built to be a swift and refined swordsman.
The strength of some of his ground attacks do deserve to be toned down a bit, for example his f-smash, f-tilt, and u-tilt have too much knockback. Those were especially the attacks the noobs complained about in the first place, which gets very annoying.
In my opinion, the brawl physics seem to indirectly nerf him anyways. With the auto sweetspot feature edge guarding seems to be more difficult (Marth's #1 kill method). Also with characters (even Fox) becoming much floatier, chaingrabbing looks to be far less effective.

In regards to Ike's early confirmation. It seems like they are placing a lot of newcomers into the starting roster this time around most likely to stir up hype, thus increasing sales.
Like you have mentioned before, not one previously unlockable character has been confirmed yet. Many of the veterans are possibly being held back to create even more hype, since Sakurai himself has stated that not all veterans will return.
Marth may have got delayed due to being Japan exclusive. Now by confirming Ike first tons of hype would generate in more than one fashion.
#1) Ike is the most popular Fire Emblem character worldwide. This makes sense to add him first because the DOJO itself is updated in many regions throughout the world, making him a perfect starter.
#2) Speculation about Marth's return (and Roy's to some) will arise. Considering the lack of confirmed veterans revealed thus far, Sakurai is definitely trying to keep the suspense up.

Now if they revealed them in the reverse order, they would have lost tension in the long run IMO.
 

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Go to the claus support thread and support him :p. (Or learn about him there.)
I've read its first post, and while it is quite informative about his role in the game, I'm afraid I lack the kind of background knowledge of the series as a whole to know how he stands up overall. Clearly if the Mother series amounted only to Mother 3, he'd be the obvious choice. I just don't know if he is such in light of the fact that there are two other games in the series to potentially draw from, about which I know nothing.

thethirdkoopa said:
Oh and is it ok if i add you as a friend ? Just wondering...:p.
*shrugs* If you wish. I've never been certain what function that serves on forums, to be honest. If it matters, you may wish to know that once Brawl comes out I'll probably spend minimal, if any, time here. With the speculation and conversation about who and what will be in the game when it comes out killed, my interest will go with it, since I'm not a competitive player and have therefore no desire to discuss the things these boards will turn to then. Perhaps friend codes and things like the map editor will keep me coming back every once in a while, but I can't guarantee such.

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Add me.


I've been pointing out pretty much exactly what's in the first post since for what seems like forever.
Done :) . Yeah, I'm aware I basically summarized what most knowledgeable Fire Emblem fans have known from the start in that first post, but given such individuals are few and far between on these boards I felt it was worth doing.

@ Okysho - Very good post, you bring up some good points on that matter, particularly about how Sakurai had thought Melee would be the last SSB previously. I've added it to the section of the first post devoted to that theory - provided you have no issue with that, I feel it should stay there so that people reading up on the theory see it.

@ Xervah - Welcome! Nice to see another person with such insights to share. I certainly agree with your analysis. On the double post thing, you can always edit your second one to get rid of it more or less. These boards have no prerequisite to gaining that ability.

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:chuckle: I wonder if non lords can make it, I would enjoy to play as Sheeda very much, fliers are my favorites of fire emblem....about Marth, I think he's obvious, but I don't want him in :dizzy: I know, weird.
 

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:chuckle: I wonder if non lords can make it, I would enjoy to play as Sheeda very much, fliers are my favorites of fire emblem....about Marth, I think he's obvious, but I don't want him in :dizzy: I know, weird.
If any non lord was to make it into Brawl, it would be in the form of an AT or sticker. Lords(Main Characters) just have so much more importance than non-lords so they of course would be considered way before others.

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that's cuz elincia is not as important as a character as Ike or even Machiah... I also am beginning to hate the fact that Most people consider Fire Emblem to be only as far as 7,9 and 10. Although they arne't quite as well known, keep in mind that a lot of the older FE games are more popular than the GBA ones, though 10 was well recieved overall, it's not the only FE game to consider. Not only that, but FE9 and 10 already have a character in brawl, Ike, what about the rest of the franchise? There's more than the racism between Beorc and LAguz in the Fire Emblem series
 

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that's cuz elincia is not as important as a character as Ike or even Machiah... I also am beginning to hate the fact that Most people consider Fire Emblem to be only as far as 7,9 and 10. Although they arne't quite as well known, keep in mind that a lot of the older FE games are more popular than the GBA ones, though 10 was well recieved overall, it's not the only FE game to consider. Not only that, but FE9 and 10 already have a character in brawl, Ike, what about the rest of the franchise? There's more than the racism between Beorc and LAguz in the Fire Emblem series
I think it's somewhat understandable that many people are only aware of FE7,8,9 and 10 as they are the only FE's released outside of Japan. The only otherway to play the older FE's is importing them from Japan (Which you won't understand the story unless your proficient in Japanese or using a translation guide) or illegally via rom with a translation patch.

I think a character should get in based on their own merit's not just because they have to represent a FE continent. Say Marth, Ike and Sigurd were the 3 most popular characters in the FE universe, however they're all lords in the same game. Should Sakurai be forced to put in another character just to represent a continent when he has 3 popular choices at his finger tips?

It's a very confusing issue when it comes to which FE character should make it, if there should be a 3rd (assuming of course Marth is coming back). Nothing is clear-cut.

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I think it's somewhat understandable that many people are only aware of FE7,8,9 and 10 as they are the only FE's released outside of Japan. The only otherway to play the older FE's is importing them from Japan (Which you won't understand the story unless your proficient in Japanese or using a translation guide) or illegally via rom with a translation patch.

I think a character should get in based on their own merit's not just because they have to represent a FE continent. Say Marth, Ike and Sigurd were the 3 most popular characters in the FE universe, however they're all lords in the same game. Should Sakurai be forced to put in another character just to represent a continent when he has 3 popular choices at his finger tips?

It's a very confusing issue when it comes to which FE character should make it, if there should be a 3rd (assuming of course Marth is coming back). Nothing is clear-cut.

-Knight
That's very true and I completely agree, however you also have to keep in mind that the roster is going to be much smaller than originally predicted. Having said that there might not even BE a third FE rep. Having said that there most definitely will be tow, in which that case I believe Marth (if he doesn't already have it) deserves that spot the most, but then if the roster is extended even by 5 more characters (to 40 instead of the newly predicted 35) the question still remains as to whom it would be. Though we all know that it has to be a lord (because they are most relevant to the plot they represent) we also have to consider their abilities and that their moveset would fit well into the game without them being too difficult a character to use or too easy to use. It's a tough question and there's a heck of a lot of debate, though I have to say some of the options are absolutely rediculous... i.e. black knight and Elincia... they're not important enough in their games to really be qualified.
In the case of Machiah, I have to say that she probably deserves the spot probably as much as Sigrud, however she has one up on him because she is a more unique character. The problem I have with Machiah is how they'll manage to change her character around to fit in with the fast paced brawls within the game. Having said that, it's still all up to Sakurai.

Either way I still think Marth is without a doubt the second FE rep the only thing that's missing is Sakurai's update, which we'll probably see in January (before the JP release I'm sure. January 24th)... I mean why get rid of him? <see first post> and he's already been a playable character, he has no reason to get booted...
 

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are you sure Elincia is not important enough? Last time I checked her role is a lord. :ohwell: Lords are the main characters. Black Knight, it's obvious he's not important enough, and I think it Fire Emblem should have three characters, one being a female, out of the 15 lords there are 5 girls, which is one third of it. Besides the Fire Emblem roster would look pretty lame with three blue haired sword users, I can't complain about Marth though.
 

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Elencia's Character class is first off a queen, not lord (Princess in FE9), second her role as a character is not much more than a figurehead in the story, it'd be like saying Pelleas should be in brawl because his class is lord and King of Daein. Honestly, I think that Geoffery had more importance in the storyline than Elincia, but I still don't think he'd be qualified for brawl.
This isn't really about sexism or sword styles it's more about who has more popularity and importance in the story. Even Machiah deserves the spot more. You can't argue with that, especially because she was the main co-star of FE10 (Machiah and Ike)
 

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seriously if ur going to flame go to ur friends and do it maybe u have fun flaming but dont come here pls
 

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Elencia's Character class is first off a queen, not lord (Princess in FE9), second her role as a character is not much more than a figurehead in the story, it'd be like saying Pelleas should be in brawl because his class is lord and King of Daein. Honestly, I think that Geoffery had more importance in the storyline than Elincia, but I still don't think he'd be qualified for brawl.
This isn't really about sexism or sword styles it's more about who has more popularity and importance in the story. Even Machiah deserves the spot more. You can't argue with that, especially because she was the main co-star of FE10 (Machiah and Ike)
lol Ike's character class is a Hero/Vanguard, I mean lord as main charcter, if Elincia dies it's game over. She did have a lot to do with both plots in PoR and Radiant Dawn. Geoffrey dies, it's not game over :urg:.
 

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Elencia's Character class is first off a queen, not lord (Princess in FE9), second her role as a character is not much more than a figurehead in the story, it'd be like saying Pelleas should be in brawl because his class is lord and King of Daein. Honestly, I think that Geoffery had more importance in the storyline than Elincia, but I still don't think he'd be qualified for brawl.
This isn't really about sexism or sword styles it's more about who has more popularity and importance in the story. Even Machiah deserves the spot more. You can't argue with that, especially because she was the main co-star of FE10 (Machiah and Ike)
Elincia is indeed a Lord in RD (you'll note that none of the Lords in Radiant Dawn actually have that as their class name) - she is of lesser significance to RD than Ike or Micaiah, but she is a Lord nonetheless (sort of the Lyn of RD, except that she gets much less screen time and a smaller portion of the game to herself). While you're certainly right about her role in PoR, she is a major player in RD as the Queen of Crimea. In addition to having her own part to the game (part 2), her decisions and actions influenced the Laguz Alliance-Begnion war significantly once it came to Begnion pushing for Gallia, and once events came to fruition with Sanaki's arrival and the end of part 3/beginning of part 4 she became a major leader of the armies. Comparing her to Pelleas really isn't accurate, as he is nothing but a figurehead in most of RD and in the main story commits assisted suicide halfway through part 3 anyway.

You're right though that she is nowhere near significant enough or popular enough to be in Brawl. If anyone from RD makes it in, it will certainly be Micaiah, who is probably the most important character in that game, and even she is largely dependent on being chosen as an advertisement.

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I think it Fire Emblem should have three characters, one being a female,
See, thats where we're disagreeing. I don't think its necessary for one to be female, any more than I feel its necessary for each game to have a villain character. If a female character has enough popularity and significance, then of course she should get in. Same with a villain. Theres no good reason to add those who don't qualify just because they are female or a villain, though - those are just arbitrary categories that don't mean anything when it comes to SSB. With Fire Emblem, most of the female main characters just don't cut it (Celica and Eirika being from the least popular games, Elincia being of inferior importance and popularity compared to most other Lords), and one of the two who could have is already an AT (Lyn). That leaves us with Micaiah, and given her popularity is largely mediocre among FE fans, she has a tough time of qualifying. She has a chance, but any one of Sigurd, Leaf, Roy, or Eliwood could potentially usurp that spot, depending on how Sakurai & co's opinions and analyses fall.

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