The Marth Support Thread - Fire Emblem's First Lord is Confirmed!

[Zevox]

is there a release date on it??

Just the vague "sometime in 2008." Nothing anywhere near specific. Which of course means its still too early in the making to tell us anything specific, which means the release will probably be late in the year.

@ Sonic Wave - Yup, near the bottom of the first post. Your another one I thought was on it already, but apparently I was wrong again. Added.

Zevox

 

[y3nia659]

I always get confused with Ike, Marth, and Sigurd. So Ike wears a Sigurd costume, not a Marth costume right? So does that mean Sigurd is lost, I actually would like that idea, I don't want three almost identical looking characters for Brawl. Im ok with Marth, he's the first of Fire Emblem but I think Sigurd would be more original than Marth due to his lance, but idk.

What do you think Zevox? Who do you think is going to be playable in Brawl for the FE section?

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^First off, Marth looks nothing like Ike (except for having a cape and blue hair).

Second, I think most people agree that FE will be repped by Marth, Ike, and Micaiah.

Micaiah is really the only debateable one, but she's got that whole "I'm a girl who uses magic and would make great advertisment for FE10" going for her. Kinda tough to beat that.

 

[Roy-Kun]

^^First off, Marth looks nothing like Ike (except for having a cape and blue hair).

Second, I think most people agree that FE will be repped by Marth, Ike, and Micaiah.

Micaiah is really the only debateable one, but she's got that whole "I'm a girl who uses magic and would make great advertisment for FE10" going for her. Kinda tough to beat that.

Micaiah is kind of overrated if you ask me, but oh well... And she can't be the advertisement of FE10, it's already out. Marth can be the next advertisement.

I'd prefer to see Roy or Sigurd over her.

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^Roy is very unlikely.

I think Micaiah's kind of overrated too, but she does have a few logical arguements for her inclusion. That and she really doesn't have much competition for that 3rd slot anyway.

 

[Okysho]

I can't make any assumptions, but throwing Machiah into the brawl would probably just mess things up. I would prefer if they chose someone with a different weapon, but it's quite obvious that they won't due to those character's popularity levels. Next, I believe that the more recent Fire Emblems have enough recognition. with Ike and Lyn as is, so why don't we try a broader range of characters? Maybe... a really popular secondary?
Hm...
ok maybe not... but I don't like the idea of tossing a magic user into the brawl without any physical capabilities. Which (if you're going to bring this up) is why I think Shiek will be making a return also. Everyone knows that Zelda on her own isn't all that agile, nor good at dealing quick damage. Most good Zelda users will build damage with Shiek, transform and use Zelda to finish. Now taking that aspect and applying it to Machiah, it just doesn't seem to work because she has no great physical capabilities...

 

[Doodx]

i dont see micaiah coming thats why i think roy is more likely to return than micaiah to come

 

[Kirby knight]

ok maybe not... but I don't like the idea of tossing a magic user into the brawl without any physical capabilities. Which (if you're going to bring this up) is why I think Shiek will be making a return also. Everyone knows that Zelda on her own isn't all that agile, nor good at dealing quick damage. Most good Zelda users will build damage with Shiek, transform and use Zelda to finish. Now taking that aspect and applying it to Machiah, it just doesn't seem to work because she has no great physical capabilities...

Why wouldn't Micaiah have any physical ability's or physical ability's enhanced with magic? Such as a magical imbued slap, punch, kick, etc?

The character Zelda, in Melee can fight perfectly fine without transforming into Sheik. Zelda in Melee also has physical ability's so why couldn't Micaiah?

Super Smash Brothers is not "exactly" canon to the characters respective game/franchise. So it wouldn't be unheard of to give Micaiah a move that wasn't in Radiant Dawn.

I really don't like your thinking, it's like "well I can't think of a way for Micaiah to work in Brawl, so no one could think of a way to make her to work".

-Knight

 

[raphtmarqui]

I can't make any assumptions, but throwing Machiah into the brawl would probably just mess things up. I would prefer if they chose someone with a different weapon, but it's quite obvious that they won't due to those character's popularity levels. Next, I believe that the more recent Fire Emblems have enough recognition. with Ike and Lyn as is, so why don't we try a broader range of characters? Maybe... a really popular secondary?
Hm...
ok maybe not... but I don't like the idea of tossing a magic user into the brawl without any physical capabilities. Which (if you're going to bring this up) is why I think Shiek will be making a return also. Everyone knows that Zelda on her own isn't all that agile, nor good at dealing quick damage. Most good Zelda users will build damage with Shiek, transform and use Zelda to finish. Now taking that aspect and applying it to Machiah, it just doesn't seem to work because she has no great physical capabilities...

Machiah can use a staff for physical capabilities/

 

[y3nia659]

If it was up to me I would pick....^_^ Elincia, she's my favorite character, and would have abilities to fight, heal, and use her pegasus for a final smash (i think), but Micaiah is pretty cool. I just think it is very dull to have three similar looking characters for that section. It's pretty confusing to explain, but almost every lord with non-blue hair is a better choice for me, but any sword user is not.

I think that Roy > Sigurd due to physical, but Sigurd > Roy due to his lance, but I think Roy has least chances of the possible characters since he was just used for advertisement. Do I explain myself? I would prefer Roy over Sigurd (overall) but I think he has less chances. About Micaiah and Elincia, I think Elincia > Micaiah, but Micaiah has better chances so I am rooting for her, and hoping at least the third FE rep is not similar to the other FE reps in any way.

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^That took a little while to decipher, but I get the jist of it.

I put Micaiah there because I really don't see any other likely FE reps. Roy was only in Melee for advertising purposes, and his game didn't sell too well even with that, so I think he's out.

Lyn seemed like a nice pick, but she ended up as just an AT.

The Black Knight became less likely after we saw how Ike played at E for All and after seeing his entrance (warp powder.)

So the only lords left are:
Eliwood and Hector from FE7- poorly recieved in Japan and a little out dated by now. Hector would be cool, but we already have a really slow FE character with a Large weapon. Eliwood isn't too popular either.

Erika and Ephraim-They have the disadvantage of being in the 2nd worst FE game ever. That sucks for them.

Alm and Celica-worst FE game. That sucks. Nobody cares about them anyway.

Sigurd and Celice-Celice isn't too popular, but Sigurd actually has a shot. That is of course if Sakurai doesn't mind having 3 FE Blue haired Swordsmen with capes. Sigurd was originally going to be in Melee, but was replaced by Roy for advertisment purposes. He was going to be a Marth clone anyway, but I think that was really his one chance of making it. Ike's "Sigurd" costume isn't helping his case either.

Leaf-Rarely see anyone argue for this character. If you want to make a case for him be my guest.

Sothe-He would make a cool character, but he still has to compete with Micaiah for that third slot. He's been in two games, but his character was only really developed in FE10 anyway. He's also not a Lord, but I don't think that's what's stopping him.

Elincia-I can't even begin to imagine how Sakurai would work this one out, but hey we'd have our first female sword user in Brawl.


So really, there's only a few characters that I think even have the slightest chance of beating Micaiah to that slot. It's like a little analogy my dad used to say: If your group is being chased by a Lion, you don't have to be the fastest person, you just have to be faster than the slowest person.

 

[Okysho]

Why wouldn't Micaiah have any physical ability's or physical ability's enhanced with magic? Such as a magical imbued slap, punch, kick, etc?

The character Zelda, in Melee can fight perfectly fine without transforming into Sheik. Zelda in Melee also has physical ability's so why couldn't Micaiah?

Super Smash Brothers is not "exactly" canon to the characters respective game/franchise. So it wouldn't be unheard of to give Micaiah a move that wasn't in Radiant Dawn.

I really don't like your thinking, it's like "well I can't think of a way for Micaiah to work in Brawl, so no one could think of a way to make her to work".

-Knight

Compare Zelda's normal fighting skills to that of sheik. That's what I was trying to get at when I brought up Zelda as part of this argument. Fact of the matter is Zelda without Sheik isn't all that useful of a character. A good Zelda user will switch back and forth between Sheik and Zelda for building damage and finishing. Since Machiah couldn't possibly transform into a Man with a turban covering his face and suddenly own all who oppose, it doesn't seem the wisest choice to include her into the game.

And if that doesn't suit your taste, let's talk speed. Machiah wears a skirt, not a single skirt wearer in Smash Bros can move very fast, having said that Machiah will be a medium-slow character. Now most characters of that speed would be able to back it up with their weight class, however in Machiah's case that wouldn't apply considering not only is she frail because of her Heron decent, but would probably be a considerably light class character.

Unless some of those facts are majorly altered, Machiah will without a doubt be too weak a fighter to place in brawl at all. Like I said before, save it for a more unique Fire Emblem character that can back up it's inclusion with it's ability to fight. Fire Emblem characters don't always have to be about popularity in certain situations, an example of this would be something along the lines of the Hector/Lyn debate (though that was vigorously shattered with Lyn's inclusion as an assist trophy) since they had a similar popularity level and fanbase for their inclusion in the game.

Now before I shut up, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Machiah hater, I just don't overly approve of the reasons for her inclusion based on her abilities to fight. It's not like I won't use her SHOULD she be included in brawl, I'm saying there are better choices out there.

Either way, we leave it up to Sakurai.

Okysho out

 

[Okysho]

Sothe-He would make a cool character, but he still has to compete with Micaiah for that third slot. He's been in two games, but his character was only really developed in FE10 anyway. He's also not a Lord, but I don't think that's what's stopping him.

What about that? If you want and FE10 rep, what about Sothe? He uses a dagger, which brings something new to the battle, he's speedy and may end up a mind-low class weight character, which wouldn't be a problem if he's fast anyways, kinda like Marth is now.

Anyone care to argue?

 

[Dark Sonic]

What about that? If you want and FE10 rep, what about Sothe? He uses a dagger, which brings something new to the battle, he's speedy and may end up a mind-low class weight character, which wouldn't be a problem if he's fast anyways, kinda like Marth is now.

Anyone care to argue?

I don't want a FE10 rep, I want a FE rep. I don't want to represent one game, I want to represent the entire series. In the grand scheme of things, anyone who is not the main character of their game should be considered a minor character, because of the sheer number of non-lord characters. Even if they aren't nessecarily minor characters in their individual games. It's like wanting to include Jeigan, Sothe, Soren, Volke, ect, because they were important characters to the story of their games (well, not that important.)


And if your going to use her clothes as a reason to make Micaiah a slow character, let me point out one detail. She's wearing a skirt not a dress. Mobility wise, that's a huge difference. Using her clothes as an arguement against her inclusion is a pretty weak arguement though.

 

[Kirby knight]

Compare Zelda's normal fighting skills to that of sheik. That's what I was trying to get at when I brought up Zelda as part of this argument. Fact of the matter is Zelda without Sheik isn't all that useful of a character. A good Zelda user will switch back and forth between Sheik and Zelda for building damage and finishing. Since Machiah couldn't possibly transform into a Man with a turban covering his face and suddenly own all who oppose, it doesn't seem the wisest choice to include her into the game.

The fact is that Zelda, is capable of being used with out Sheik. Please don't talk about a Micaiah inclusion like your on the level of Sakurai, because your not.

And if that doesn't suit your taste, let's talk speed. Machiah wears a skirt, not a single skirt wearer in Smash Bros can move very fast, having said that Machiah will be a medium-slow character. Now most characters of that speed would be able to back it up with their weight class, however in Machiah's case that wouldn't apply considering not only is she frail because of her Heron decent, but would probably be a considerably light class character.



Unless some of those facts are majorly altered, Machiah will without a doubt be too weak a fighter to place in brawl at all. Like I said before, save it for a more unique Fire Emblem character that can back up it's inclusion with it's ability to fight. Fire Emblem characters don't always have to be about popularity in certain situations, an example of this would be something along the lines of the Hector/Lyn debate (though that was vigorously shattered with Lyn's inclusion as an assist trophy) since they had a similar popularity level and fanbase for their inclusion in the game.

Tell me why Ike sucks in Brawl then, he had so many great quality's to him and look what happened to him. You can't say "Micaiah without a doubt will be too weak" because your not Sakurai, I mean I think I could respect your opinion more if you had some credentials with a

creation of a fighting game. Don't state things like absolutes when they're not.

Now before I shut up, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Machiah hater, I just don't overly approve of the reasons for her inclusion based on her abilities to fight. It's not like I won't use her SHOULD she be included in brawl, I'm saying there are better choices out there.

Either way, we leave it up to Sakurai.

Okysho out

I will leave it up to Sakurai because I'm sure he can develop and awesome array of characters.

-Knight

 

[Okysho]

I will leave it up to Sakurai because I'm sure he can develop and awesome array of characters.

-Knight

Amen to that! Finally we agree on something! Go Sakurai Go!

 

[Dark Sonic]

Compare Zelda's normal fighting skills to that of sheik. That's what I was trying to get at when I brought up Zelda as part of this argument. Fact of the matter is Zelda without Sheik isn't all that useful of a character. A good Zelda user will switch back and forth between Sheik and Zelda for building damage and finishing. Since Machiah couldn't possibly transform into a Man with a turban covering his face and suddenly own all who oppose, it doesn't seem the wisest choice to include her into the game.

Why would Micaiah need to transform into some other character. Micaiah can use magic. Duh

And if that doesn't suit your taste, let's talk speed. Machiah wears a skirt, not a single dress wearer in Smash Bros can move very fast, having said that Machiah will be a medium-slow character.

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Now most characters of that speed would be able to back it up with their weight class, however in Machiah's case that wouldn't apply considering not only is she frail because of her Heron decent, but would probably be a considerably light class character.

Not quite. Marth wasn't exactly the heaviest character, but we all know how he turned out. Being Light doesn't neccessarily make you a bad character. Jigglypuff and Peach are light, relatively weak, and relatively slow characters, but they're certainly not bad.

Unless some of those facts are majorly altered, Machiah will without a doubt be too weak a fighter to place in brawl at all. Like I said before, save it for a more unique Fire Emblem character that can back up it's inclusion with it's ability to fight. Fire Emblem characters don't always have to be about popularity in certain situations, an example of this would be something along the lines of the Hector/Lyn debate (though that was vigorously shattered with Lyn's inclusion as an assist trophy) since they had a similar popularity level and fanbase for their inclusion in the game.

You have access to every single light tome in FE history to work with, and you can't imagine Micaiah being a power house? Isn't Magic even more powerful than physical attacks in most games?

Now before I shut up, don't get me wrong, I'm not a Machiah hater, I just don't overly approve of the reasons for her inclusion based on her abilities to fight. It's not like I won't use her SHOULD she be included in brawl, I'm saying there are better choices out there.

Either way, we leave it up to Sakurai.

Okysho out

Like who? Sothe? Micaiah is a much more important character than him, and it really wouldn't be that hard to come up with a move set for her. The funny thing about magic is that it can carry a lot of power in a small package. The mistake they made with Zelda in melee was making her a slow character, and not her attacks (other than Fair and Bair) any real power. Tone those moves down a bit, bump everything else up, and make her a little faster on the ground and you could well have a good character.

 

[Okysho]

Why would Micaiah need to transform into some other character. Micaiah can use magic. Duh




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Not quite. Marth wasn't exactly the heaviest character, but we all know how he turned out. Being Light doesn't neccessarily make you a bad character. Jigglypuff and Peach are light, relatively weak, and relatively slow characters, but they're certainly not bad.



You have access to every single light tome in FE history to work with, and you can't imagine Micaiah being a power house? Isn't Magic even more powerful than physical attacks in most games?



Like who? Sothe? Micaiah is a much more important character than him, and it really wouldn't be that hard to come up with a move set for her. The funny thing about magic is that it can carry a lot of power in a small package. The mistake they made with Zelda in melee was making her a slow character, and not her attacks (other than Fair and Bair) any real power. Tone those moves down a bit, bump everything else up, and make her a little faster on the ground and you could well have a good character.

But that's exactly what I mean! Zelda DOESN'T have those stats, nor would Machiah by the looks of it she'd be like Zelda, with a different moveset, without the capabilities to use any real physical attacks because she can't transform.

Also, may I point out that Marth was a mid weight class character and that Peach was much more speedy than Zelda, but also had good, quick physical moves.

What I'm trying to get at here is BALANCE people! you can't just have a powerhouse without any speedy attacks or dodges, else you end up like Ganondorf, without the extra speed (Ganondorf is actually faster than Link, race them!) I mean Even bowser and ganondorf hasve some speedy attacks!

 

[Okysho]

Ok I don't want to make any more enemies over the internet so hear me out. I don't have a problem with Machiah, I just think that there should be some major alterations in terms of her physical capabilities in order for her to be included in this game! It's only logical! Come on people let's be reasonable!

 

[hello_kitty]

lol Okysho, you think a skirt would make you run slower? ^_^ have you ever worn a dress as big as Peach's? It's much more difficult to even walk in those than a skirt, trust me. Besides Peach is pretty fast for a dress wearer, and what's so wrong about that. Not all Magic users are the same ^_^

 

[Okysho]

lol Okysho, you think a skirt would make you run slower? ^_^ have you ever worn a dress as big as Peach's? It's much more difficult to even walk in those than a skirt, trust me. Besides Peach is pretty fast for a dress wearer, and what's so wrong about that. Not all Magic users are the same ^_^

Sorry... did that sound sexist? I didn't mean that... I meant that they purposely slow up characters with skirts or dresses so that they don't fly up, showing their panties....

Now if you're going to bring up soul calibur, I don't know what was up with that... but Namco didn't seem to have a problem with the half naked women fighting in their underwear without their boobs popping out of their skirts flying up so everyone could see their panties... but let's try and keep this thread as clean as possible shall we?

 

[Okysho]

Also, I was reading through the first post and I just wanted to point out that Marth recieved his tiara from his siter before she was captured by Garnef. She doesn't actually die until the end of the second book, where you actually have the option to kill her off by not rescuing her with Marich (your 1st class mage) along with the two other magic users in the final chapter. Medeus will actually eat them to fully regain his health if they are not brought back to their senses (they were all hypnotized by Medeus)

Just thought I'd point that out, you don't have to change it on my account, just wanted to make sure the info was accurate ^_^

Okysho out!

 

[Zevox]

On the topic of the final FE roster for Brawl, I've got mixed feelings myself. I'm beginning to doubt that we'll get three FE characters after all. Most of the supposed "leaks" we've gotten in the past month have indicated a total roster in the neighborhood of 35 characters, lower than I was expecting, and I can't help but worry that somewhere along the line, as we get closer and closer to the release, one of them was/will be the real deal. Doing the math adding the characters that seem most likely to be in with a limit of 35 tends to leave no room for a third FE rep.

Discarding that though, presuming our previous logic that gives us a roster closer to 40 turns out to be true, my expectations are obviously Ike and Marth as the first two, and a third who is pretty much up in the air. I'd absolutely expect it to be one of the Lords - they're obviously the most popular and important characters in their games, and so the best choices. I'd break it down like this:

Celica/Alm/Eirika/Ephraim - As Sonic Wave said before, these four can be discarded outright due to coming from the least popular games in the series.
Elincia(/Sanaki/Tibarn if you count them) - Also probably can be disregarded due to being secondary Lord(s) in a single game, very much so eclipsed by Micaiah and Ike.
Celice - Eclipsed by his father, and in both abilities and appearance very little different from him anyway. Theres no reason to take him over Sigurd, and no reason to take him if Sigurd is rejected.
Hector - Very much so doubt it. Lyn was more popular internationally, and only made AT. Neither is well liked in Japan from what I've heard, so he has no help there. I'm expecting AT at most.

Micaiah - Since FE 10 was not overly well received in Japan and only just got released in the US, I don't see her getting in on popularity. Her only hope from what I can tell is if she was pre-decided to be a Radiant Dawn add and Sakurai doesn't decide to take her out now that the delay made such a near-futile gesture. Or if Sakurai is just that desperate for variety, but then again there are other options in that department too. I wouldn't write her off, but the more I think of her situation, the less optimistic I become about it.
Sigurd - Distinctly possible for well-known reasons, but has two problems. First, hes Japan-only, with no known plans for a potential international release of his game. Second, that white w/ blue cape outfit Ike has may very well be intended to resemble him, in which case he clearly didn't make the cut. I'm quite curious as to what his ultimate fate will be in Brawl.
Eliwood - Don't honestly expect him myself, but its possible Sakurai could see him as a kind of compromise between the international fans who were clambering for Lyn and/or Hector (since hes from the same game as them) and the Melee fans who want Roy back (since, being Roy's father, he'd be pretty similar to him in-game). Also, if Chronobound's information is accurate, hes the only GBA Lord who isn't disliked in Japan, which, while not necessarily meaning much, is something.
Leaf - He may surprise us. If what I've heard is right, though he only starred in FE 5, he was also in FE 4 as a member of Celice's army, making him a multi-game character. FE 4 and 5 are also the most beloved amongst many Japanese and "hardcore" international fans, which helps him. He also has the variety thing going for him if what I've heard is accurate, since promoted he can use any weapon or magic save light and dark. Without knowing details about his popularity or role in FE 4, I can't be sure of any analysis, but I wouldn't write him off. His chief obstacles are Sigurd and being Japan-only from what I can tell.
Roy - Very unlikely since he is not well liked by Fire Emblem fans anywhere, but if Sakurai decides to give in to his Melee fans he may just make it back. I'd put him as the least likely realistic possibility.

Zevox

 

[Doodx]

I wouldnt agree with the roy part zevox
http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n08/afej/k_tohyo/index.html

It's a popularity poll for characters in Fuuin no Tsurugi. Looks like Roy takes the number 1 spot.

For each character, there's a list of randomly compiled reasons people gave for liking the character. Here's what people have to say about Roy (ill only translate a few)

He's cool and stuff. I came to like him ever since Smash Melee
It's really cool when he gets a critical hit!!!
I want to make my hair like Roy.
His character is good! It would be nice to see a familiar person like Roy every day!
His hair colour (passionate red) is cool!
I like his kindness and pureness. He's a kid who thinks of his friends. I love him!
His calmness, because it allows him to find the right way at any time. It's cool.

I guess some people in Japan do like Roy.

i got this from the roy thread and it shows that japan actualy likes roy

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^Note that this poll was taken specifically for the characters in Fuuin no Tsurugi. It makes quite a bit of sense that Roy is the most popular character in his game. But if you were to do a poll of all the FE games, Roy wouldn't get as much support in Japan (though in America he'd still be up there.)


Leaf sounds like he could be interesting. Doesn't he look kinda like Roy?

 

[Roy-Kun]

^^Note that this poll was taken specifically for the characters in Fuuin no Tsurugi. It makes quite a bit of sense that Roy is the most popular character in his game. But if you were to do a poll of all the FE games, Roy wouldn't get as much support in Japan (though in America he'd still be up there.)


Leaf sounds like he could be interesting. Doesn't he look kinda like Roy?

Heh, I can argue that: FE6 is one of the best-selling FE games of Japan, 3rd to be precise.

If Roy is the toppest, therefore he is very liked.

 

[Zevox]

Heh, I can argue that: FE6 is one of the best-selling FE games of Japan, 3rd to be precise.

If Roy is the toppest, therefore he is very liked.

The thing is, it sold so well because of the huge advertising campaign it received, of which him being in Melee was a part (no doubt a large part when it comes to contributing to the sales). When it comes to fan opinion, the general view of Sword of Seals is pretty low. Same with all the GBA games - they just didn't do well in terms of fan popularity. All of the non-GBA games except Gaiden are better liked than them overall. Like Sonic Wave said, it makes perfect sense for him to be the most popular in his individual game, since most Lords are, the problem is that his game is quite far from the most popular of the series.

Zevox

 

[raphtmarqui]

Sigurd is my top choice for the 3rd FE spot.

 

[person701]

I've been gone for a while. Any new argumentss aginst Marth? And if we're still talking about FE history, Ima gonna be really lost :s

 

[DekuBoy]

Marth is back. Ike sucks. He is way too slow. Bring back the agile Lord of Smash!

 

[PSIguy89]

IMO Ike and Marth compliment eachother very well. meaning two people who play as them could still have a very even match. i don't really think FE needs a 3rd rep tho....(IMO)

 

[DekuBoy]

If there was a third FE rep it should be Black Knight.

 

[PSIguy89]

ehh, i thought so too at first. but i don't anymore.
first Ike has most all the properties that the Black Knite would have (slow,strong,heavy)
and i don't think Sakurai wants to over-rep any one FE game.
although i wouldn't be to hurt to see him as an AT (or better yet a boss)

 

[ZenJestr]

yea since Ike is how I imagined Black Knight (slow, strong, practically made of super armor frames), I only support Black Knight for Boss...which would be nice...

 

[gangstajuice02]

marth will defenitly be in brawl!!!

 

[Okysho]

There's too much against the black knight... he won't be in brawl... He's slow, (so is Ike) also has the same sword style, (since they were trained by the same person) and overall, his point in the plot is limited only really to killing that of Commander Greil... in FE 10 he is about useless... except as Sephrian's *****... (They're gay too!!! OMG IS there anything if FE10 that's NOT Yaoi?) having said that he is a very minor secondary character, He only has a popular (uneducated) fanbase because of his look, other than that, he really has nothing

 

[person701]

Marth is back. Ike sucks. He is way too slow. Bring back the agile Lord of Smash!

So ture ^^

As for Ike, I think he's a disappointment to everyone. But that's just my take.

 

[PSIguy89]

while i'm a little dissapointed at Ike's speed evaluation, i still plan on getting as good with him as i can, and work around his weakness best i can. not to mention his brute strength is impressive

 

[person701]

Yes, I'll be trying the faster characters like Sonic (was always better with them too) but as long as he's not to slow, I'll give him some shots. Like Ganon isn't to slow for me, but that's compairing Ganon SSBM to Ike SSBB.

 

[Zevox]

*MAJOR FE 10 Spoilers below*

except as Sephrian's *****... (They're gay too!!! OMG IS there anything if FE10 that's NOT Yaoi?)

Um, I really don't think their relationship was like that. The impression I got was simply that Sephiran was the only friend Zelgius ever had, and the only person who had some idea of what he went through as a Branded. There didn't seem to be any implications that the relationship was sexual - Zelgius was just blindly loyal to Sephiran because he was the only person he could truly trust.

Besides, remember Sephiran is Lehran, the husband of Altina and ancestor of Sanaki, Micaiah, and the Heron royals - plainly, hes not homosexual. Bisexual is possible, but I don't think the evidence supports it personally.

Zevox