The Marth Support Thread - Fire Emblem's First Lord is Confirmed!

[Zevox]

I'd love to see the proof, and also you cannot just assume that. Most Japan Only games are Japan Only because they're too difficult for other country players, yes, Japan is racist. I read that from somewhere, I forget where but it's a trusty source I bet.

There is no proof - thats why I say "safe assumption," not a "known fact." Many things people take for granted are just safe assumptions - Luigi, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf being in Brawl, for instance; no proof, but given the facts surrounding them, certainly a safe assumption. And yes, given the facts of the case, it very much so is a safe assumption that FE:DS will be brought international.

And that assertion about Japan-only games is just plain bull - its a ridiculous, illogical notion with no facts to back it up. Hell, just look at the most recent Fire Emblem game, Radiant Dawn: international, and probably the hardest one since Thracia 776 (FE 5, which was the hardest FE game ever), particularly on its hard/maniac mode, which is supposed to approach Thracia 776's difficulty.

Zevox

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

There is no proof - thats why I say "safe assumption," not a "known fact." Many things people take for granted are just safe assumptions - Luigi, Captain Falcon, and Ganondorf being in Brawl, for instance; no proof, but given the facts surrounding them, certainly a safe assumption. And yes, given the facts of the case, it very much so is a safe assumption that FE:DS will be brought international.

And that assertion about Japan-only games is just plain bull - its a ridiculous, illogical notion with no facts to back it up. Hell, just look at the most recent Fire Emblem game, Radiant Dawn: international, and probably the hardest one since Thracia 776 (FE 5, which was the hardest FE game ever), particularly on its hard/maniac mode, which is supposed to approach Thracia 776's difficulty.

Zevox

Proof on Wifi is what I meant, why the hell would I ask for proof on something you do not have? This leads to me not trusting your assumptions.

Also, the site said that FE Ephraim+Eirika one had a Maniac difficulty exclusive to the Japanese version. Infact, many games have had a better difficulty level in Japan that wasn't availible to America or Europe.

 

[Aamon]

Marth has a high chance of coming back, with him being the original Fire Emblem hero and all. Roy on the other hand...poor Roy...

 

[Zevox]

Proof on Wifi is what I meant, why the hell would I ask for proof on something you do not have? This leads to me not trusting your assumptions.

All of the known information on Fire Emblem DS, including links to the sources of such (though the primary ones are in Japanese, so unless you can read it or have a good translator you probably won't understand it), can be found here, a large fan site called Serenes Forest that compiles information about all of the FE games.

Also, the site said that FE Ephraim+Eirika one had a Maniac difficulty exclusive to the Japanese version. Infact, many games have had a better difficulty level in Japan that wasn't availible to America or Europe.

Aye, for Sacred Stones and Path of Radiance that was done. For Blazing Sword and Radiant Dawn though, the difficulties were left as-is (and, from what I've heard, the Japanese easy mode was cut from the US Radiant Dawn). Hardly a ringing endorsement for such an assumption.

Zevox

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

By The Way, Luigi was leaked. Captain Falcon has his Icon and Sakurai's biased liking, and his Falcon Punch. He's all but confirmed. Also, it's confirmed that Gannondorf, Link, and Sheik will be in Brawl- http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200708/N07.0802.1741.54921.htm

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

All of the known information on Fire Emblem DS, including links to the sources of such (though the primary ones are in Japanese, so unless you can read it or have a good translator you probably won't understand it), can be found here, a large fan site called Serenes Forest that compiles information about all of the FE games.


Aye, for Sacred Stones and Path of Radiance that was done. For Blazing Sword and Radiant Dawn though, the difficulties were left as-is (and, from what I've heard, the Japanese easy mode was cut from the US Radiant Dawn). Hardly a ringing endorsement for such an assumption.

Zevox

That theory doesn't just apply to FE, you know.


Besides, why the hell are you sending me japanese links? I'm waiting for the WiFi proof, btw.

 

[Zevox]

By The Way, Luigi was leaked. Captain Falcon has his Icon and Sakurai's biased liking, and his Falcon Punch. He's all but confirmed. Also, it's confirmed that Gannondorf, Link, and Sheik will be in Brawl- http://www.gameinformer.com/News/Story/200708/N07.0802.1741.54921.htm

Luigi was mentioned offhandedly by a low-level employee at E for All, hardly a trustworthy source. The Ganondorf/Sheik thing is only confirmation that their designs were submitted, not that they were selected for the final roster; it is evidence of the possibility of their presence, but not proof or confirmation of it. The Captain Falcon thing is precisely what I said before - a safe assumption based on known facts.

Nothing short of direct confirmation from someone with inside knowledge of the game (i.e. an update on the dojo or press release by Sakurai, Miyamoto, etc directly stating the character will be in the game) constitutes proof of a character's presence. Anything else is evidence.

Zevox

 

[Zevox]

That theory doesn't just apply to FE, you know.


Besides, why the hell are you sending me japanese links? I'm waiting for the WiFi proof, btw.

Click the link - Serenes Forest is not in Japanese, just the sources it links are. It, along with pretty much every other site to have news about FE:DS, has said that the game being the first Wifi-compatible Fire Emblem was confirmed at the same time as everything else which is known about the game.

Zevox

 

[Dark Sonic]

^^I think Wu Tang Gang just likes to argue. You've refuted every one of his claims and he's still at it.

Actually, I heard from a lot of people on FESS that the American version of RD is actually harder than the Japanese version. That may just be because of a few bugs though (skills like Resolve and Wrath not working properly, data transfer problems.)


http://tempfess.superbusnet.com/forums/index.php?&&CODE=00

FESS had to be moved due to server problems.

 

[Okysho]

^^I think Wu Tang Gang just likes to argue. You've refuted every one of his claims and he's still at it.

Actually, I heard from a lot of people on FESS that the American version of RD is actually harder than the Japanese version. That may just be because of a few bugs though (skills like Resolve and Wrath not working properly, data transfer problems.)


http://tempfess.superbusnet.com/forums/index.php?&&CODE=00

FESS had to be moved due to server problems.

I can vouch! They say that Normal mode Us. RD is that of the equality to Japanese hard mode. I haven't seen the source directly, but my friend who takes a hell of a lot of time to research this stuff does. he gave me the link, but I forget it now, that was back when the game was released.

 

[Okysho]

Also I forgot to mention, there was something I stumbled upon when I was searching for a map of Akanea, it was a japanese site called the Fire Emblem museum, created by nintendo. However as I said, it was in Japanese, It has all the information aboutfire emblem's 3-6

Fire Emblem Museum

Check it! if you can read japanese... Google can only translate so much...

 

[Okysho]

sorry to like... tripple post but you guys gotta check out this sick image!

 

[Zevox]

I can vouch! They say that Normal mode Us. RD is that of the equality to Japanese hard mode. I haven't seen the source directly, but my friend who takes a hell of a lot of time to research this stuff does. he gave me the link, but I forget it now, that was back when the game was released.

True, but by the same token, the US hard mode is the same as the Japanese maniac mode. The only thing we're missing is their easy.

Speaking of which, hard/maniac mode is insane. I'm going through it now. I lost something like 7 or 8 times on 1-2, lost Meg on 1-3 (not that I care, but it didn't happen on normal/hard mode), lost 4 times on 1-5, and I'm on two times in 1-6-1 where I reset because I lost someone I refuse to lose (Edward the first time, Jill the second). Enemies are so beefed up - even Edward only rarely gets to double attack, and I have to be careful who I send guys like Nolan or Aran against because many foes can double attack them! Even if you make no mistakes tactically, simple RNG issues with enemies hitting with attacks that should have missed or you missing an attack that should have hit can completely screw you in an instant.

Interesting thing about Wrath and Resolve not working properly. I never had anyone in my party use Resolve my first time through, but have noted that Edward seems to fail to crit with Wrath a bit more often than it seems he should. I wonder what happened there?

@ Okysho - Sweet image! I think I'll see if I can find a good spot for it in that first post. I'll have to do some searching around that site myself.

Zevox

 

[Doodx]

Omg okysho awesome image i wish i knew japanese to go and check these sites i bet thats were u got it from right?

 

[Zevox]

Yep, it looks like he found it on that site he linked just before posting the image, Fire Emblem Museum. It appears to have maps, character lists, and what I think are legendary weapons lists for each of the Fire Emblem games up until Roy's. Its actually quite cool even if you can't read Japanese, since you can get a look at the characters and maps from the various games that haven't yet made it out of Japan.

I was rather surprised to see that Jeigan appears to have only one arm - I'd never heard of any detail like that. Can't wait to find out what the story behind that is.

Zevox

 

[Roy-Kun]

I was rather surprised to see that Jeigan appears to have only one arm - I'd never heard of any detail like that. Can't wait to find out what the story behind that is.

Zevox

Same here, I actually didn't expected for Jeigan to have one arm.

In FEDS, maybe it will be explained.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Anyone got any ideas for what Marth's final smash could be? I was thinking that he could summon Medeus or something, but I'm not exactly the most creative person. I'm much more interested in hearing other people's ideas.

 

[Dark Sonic]

Bump to top.

 

[Okysho]

Anyone got any ideas for what Marth's final smash could be? I was thinking that he could summon Medeus or something, but I'm not exactly the most creative person. I'm much more interested in hearing other people's ideas.

I don't mean to be a donwner, but it wouldn't really make sense for Marth to summon Medues since Medues is the main antagonist for FE1, 3 &11. In my eyes that'd kinda be like.... Samus summoning ridley or Link summoning Ganondorf (ok those are bad examples but you know what I mean)

To: Zevox and Doodx

Thanks a hell of a lot, it actually took my a while the track down that site and it's images are absolutely amazing. Also, for the record I can't really say that Jeigan actually has one arm because in the anime he seems to very much have two. Having said that I probably did mention that I never played book 2 so he could have lost it in between... Also, the picture of Marth with the fire emblem (the shield) is on that site. the FE3 pisctures are great since it's got almost two of each character that appear in both book 1 and 2! Coolest tend to be book 2 pictures, but the book one pictures are worth the look

 

[Roy-Kun]

I don't mean to be a donwner, but it wouldn't really make sense for Marth to summon Medues since Medues is the main antagonist for FE1, 3 &11. In my eyes that'd kinda be like.... Samus summoning ridley or Link summoning Ganondorf (ok those are bad examples but you know what I mean)

To: Zevox and Doodx

Thanks a hell of a lot, it actually took my a while the track down that site and it's images are absolutely amazing. Also, for the record I can't really say that Jeigan actually has one arm because in the anime he seems to very much have two. Having said that I probably did mention that I never played book 2 so he could have lost it in between... Also, the picture of Marth with the fire emblem (the shield) is on that site. the FE3 pisctures are great since it's got almost two of each character that appear in both book 1 and 2! Coolest tend to be book 2 pictures, but the book one pictures are worth the look

QFAT

Anyways, you may be right... or the official artwork of Jeigan is messed up.

 

[silver777]

Who made this ?

 

[PSIguy89]

has anyone here played though enough of either FE 1 or 3 to know what the fire emblems purpose is?
i know its a shield but what does it actually do for Marth? (i actually just bought the game at a japanese store and am playing though book 1 now, i just havn't gotten far enough yet)

 

[Okysho]

has anyone here played though enough of either FE 1 or 3 to know what the fire emblems purpose is?
i know its a shield but what does it actually do for Marth? (i actually just bought the game at a japanese store and am playing though book 1 now, i just havn't gotten far enough yet)

I didn't want to have to bring that up, especially since it causes a lot of controversy with Marth's Smash bros. Character, but the fire emblem (the shield) is actually supposed to be able to allow the decentant of Anri (A.k.a Marth) to wield the flachion in order to defeat whatever darkness may plague the continent of Akanea, it has some other sort of power (I read the synopsis for book 2) but I don't know what it does exactly, all I know is that it has five jewels that represent something (i.e. darkness, light, fire, life). I also know that the Fire emblem cannot work without these jewels (which is what happens in book 2, they go missing) but I have no idea what it's other powers are...

 

[Doodx]

how do u bring pictures into the boeards cuz i got a pretty nice marth wallpaper and i want to show it to u guys

 

[NukeA6]

sorry to like... tripple post but you guys gotta check out this sick image!

That's the best Fire Emblem site next to Serene's Forest.

Tyfring FTW! (notice how it looks like the Falchion?)

how do u bring pictures into the boeards cuz i got a pretty nice marth wallpaper and i want to show it to u guys

Make an account in Photobucket.com and upload. Once that's done, click on the code and paste it on the boards.

You can also upload it on Imageshack.us but it will exceed bandwidth faster than photobucket.

 

[PSIguy89]

has anybody here been able to translate Marth's victory quotes?

 

[DeuceBlade]

I hope you guys get Marth back, hopefully he will return along with Ness

 

[ZenJestr]

Ness will most likely be returning..........as a trophy/sticker...

but yea I see no reason why Marth wouldnt be in...

 

[Okysho]

That's the best Fire Emblem site next to Serene's Forest.

Tyfring FTW! (notice how it looks like the Falchion?)

Way too Mother F*ckin' true! When I first saw Sigrud and I saw what he was using I was like WTF How'd he get the Falchion?

 

[MysticKenji]

Put me down as a supporter.
Marth FTW

 

[raphtmarqui]

has anybody here been able to translate Marth's victory quotes?

Look on gamefaqs.com

 

[The Nerd]

I support Marth's triumphant return to the Super Smash Bros series.

 

[Zevox]

That's the best Fire Emblem site next to Serene's Forest.

Tyfring FTW! (notice how it looks like the Falchion?)

The resemblance is uncanny, surely. The differences are pretty minor - the design of the crosspiece is the biggest one, and otherwise its mostly just the thickness of the hilt and blade. I wonder why they repeated the design so much? There are plenty of other great sword designs from the other games on the site, so its not like they couldn't figure something out.

@ MysticKenji & The Nerd - Added to the list, and welcome to the thread .

Zevox

 

[Okysho]

The resemblance is uncanny, surely. The differences are pretty minor - the design of the crosspiece is the biggest one, and otherwise its mostly just the thickness of the hilt and blade. I wonder why they repeated the design so much? There are plenty of other great sword designs from the other games on the site, so its not like they couldn't figure something out.

Zevox

probably becuase they did it PURPOSELY! to shadow Marth's greatness with Sigruds.... 'glare'

 

[Bassoonist]

I support Marth's triumphant return to the Super Smash Bros series.

Me as well. Add me to the list. I will be mad if Marth doesn't return. He's too awesome to not return.

 

[Zevox]

Me as well. Add me to the list. I will be mad if Marth doesn't return. He's too awesome to not return.

Huh - for some reason, I thought you were already on the list, but I was wrong. Added, and welcome .

Zevox

 

[Dark Sonic]

Wait a minute, we have a list?

Put me on it, too.

BTW I remember reading on FESS that the Fire Emblem also negates criticals against Marth. It also gave a stat boost, but I forgot what it boosted.

 

[Wu Tang Gang]

Put me on the list when FE DS gets the American release confirmed.

 

[Okysho]

Put me on the list when FE DS gets the American release confirmed.

By then brawl will already be released and you will have unlocked Marth already

 

[Doodx]

is there a release date on it??