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Marth's kill options are mostly achievable by baiting or reads. Based on experience, with tipper, Marth's tilts can kill at 100 with rage or even earlier depending where on the stage. You can also jab 1 into smash or mix it up with a SH DB cancel into Nair 1 into up smash.
My friend is good at jab1 into FSmash, but I can't do it. > <
It because jab 1 into fsmash is not a true combo. it can be air dodged and jumped out of. If they air dodge, charge and hold the fsmash or run up and up smash. if they jump, follow up with an aerial. For me when it comes to getting kills, I get 75 percent of my kills from edge guarding, I would use counters, ledge trumps into tipper bair, and etc. on the ground, i go for jab 1 or nair 1 into fsmash or up smash. I also use tippered tilts with good spacing to finish them off. If i really cant finish my opponent off, if just rack up more percent until I can kill with up throw. And always look for those punishes, they can lead to free kills. If you find your opponent air dodging alot before landing on the ground, run under them and up smash, if u see an opponent use a move with alot of end lag, punish them for it.
The rising fair isn't the tricky part, it's timing the ff, too early and you get the heavy landing lag.
I never said it was but your timing has to assume that the rising fair was frame perfect.
Rango the Mercenary
If you're feeling confident, try spacing fast fall tipper Nair. Just another option
Short hop, slight pause, Nair, fastfall.
Locuan said:
No, it doesn't. Marth gets more safety and reward for playing correctly (Lucina has to space the same way Marth does). Lucina also still can't kill with her aerials.
I see. That is a shame.
Neither characters are truly viable competively. And neither character benefited more than average from the shield patch.
It's a mix up but at the same time you could be landing with a grab, jab, dancing blade (right before you land), Nair 1 (also right before), spot dodge, roll, shield. Dtilt is frame 7 so there are some of these other options that are just as fast if not faster. Usually walking Dtilt (with c stick attack) is more useful than SH dtilt. This makes it easier to watch their movement and bait something.
Yes, this is very true. The only place I find room for it is going for the spike. Which is ridiculously hard to get anyway...
Of course
The Ken Combo is nearly impossible to do in Smash 4 due to how easy it is to escape the combo because the necessary moves, which are Double Fair and easy spike with Dair, is not in Smash 4. Even then, its not really a combo. Its just a string. A really easy to escape combo string.
I don't have any other tips of spacing with Marth other than "get used to Marth's new sword size". Also, Marth still has good aerials except dair, tilts and a pretty great Jab. His specials are pretty decent. Dolphin Slash still being good while Dancing blade... has issues.. His Forward Smash does allow Marth to kill ridiculously early whenever it is tippered but F-Smash has some.. hitbox issues, Up Smash is still good imo. I'm not one of the greatest Marth players in this board so my knowledge about Marth is very limited. The other Marths may even disagree about what I'm saying about him.
Just keep playing and you will get used to his range. I play both smash 4 and melee back n forth, so im used to both and adjust easily to what game im playing. If you really need to, go to training mode and space yourself and try to land your tippers.
Ken combo is also very hard to land due to the new dair spike hitbox, but if you are confident, go for it. But a better option to kill if you able to fair them off stage is, fair >up b which kills starting around 60% imo, that been working alot for me. I also suggest joining the marth discord group and train with other marth players.
Are you sure fair isn't shorter?
I know Dtilt is definitely longer in Melee. I don't know about Fair, that's why I said pretty similar. For the most part, it's the same-ish. The sword is definitely the same size. Hitboxes and Marth's body (extending limbs and such) is what otherwise determines range.
No but one of the posts in this thread have calculated knockback at various percents.
To add on to that, about 185ish kb is required to kill from the center of FD with a Sakurai angle on a grounded target.
I actually have a spreadsheet in progress
Not sure about the first question, but I do know that a move has to connect in order to register in the queue. So the answer to the second question is a no.
