The Mario Rediscussion Thread. Currently Rediscussing: Diddy Kong

[Big-Omar]

The match up seems even to me.

 

[Inferno3044]

Seems like most people say even. Are there any good DKs in MD/VA besides Junebug who is really a Lucario main.

 

[HeroMystic]

Not sure how this is even, but I guess majority rules.

 

[Inferno3044]

Not sure how this is even, but I guess majority rules.

You just gotta play fast. I had about 30 seconds of being pro against Cable then died at the end of the minute. I'll explain it more to you personally if you want.

 

[D0N]

Seems like most people say even. Are there any good DKs in MD/VA besides Junebug who is really a Lucario main.

Me... but im in the southern non-existant area.

 

[HeroMystic]

You just gotta play fast. I had about 30 seconds of being pro against Cable then died at the end of the minute. I'll explain it more to you personally if you want.

Please do.

 

[mars16]

So the match up is even...........................................................


Are we discussing Lucario Now?

 

[Inferno3044]

So the match up is even...........................................................


Are we discussing Lucario Now?

He was already discussed. Although I personally disagree with the ratio we have, I can't bring it up just for me. If others want to bring Lucario back up then by all means.

 

[mars16]

already talked Lucario........I always miss the best parts......

Well if nobody wants to discuss the Pokemon then I vote Wolf

 

[HeroMystic]

Lucario is 55:45 Lucario btw.

Wolf is fine with me.

 

[hippiedude92]

personally think dk is 6/4 or 55:45 but whatever.

let's goo wolf.

 

[mars16]

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Umm.... Wolf Out Ranges us with his Fsmash and he is Heavier....
He may run slow but he has fast attack also his Dacus is Good
He has good Projectile that even does damage up close but its not as good as Mario's
He is also a good Gimper
I find his Down smash to be his best Kill Move(My opionin (Grammer) )
His Reflecter sends projectile back at a Faster speed!
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His recovery isn't thast good and easily Gimped by Mario's Cape
Mario out Priority's Wolf... I think ok
Mario is Faster Overall
Mario's Reflecter has more use in this Battle
Fireballs have more use
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[A2ZOMG]

We already discussed Wolf fairly recently, but I think it's even. He has slightly more reliable KO moves in D-smash, and his B-air zoning is moderately annoying, but you can **** juggle him and gimp him fairly easily with FLUDD, Cape, N-airs.

Also, keep in mind that if you DI Up, the first hit of his F-smash DOES NOT combo into the second hit.

 

[mars16]

We already discussed Wolf.....

I always miss the best parts

And thanks for the tip

 

[Inferno3044]

I'd rather not do Wolf not because it was a recent discuss in the original thread if you don't mind.

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

Sooo we have no one to rediscuss against Mario?

 

[vato_break]

robbbbbbbbbb

 

[HeroMystic]

God, no. Not ROB.

 

[Matador]

Who can't beat ROB? lol

 

[$Lil' Gerald Is In Dat Style$]

I havent played ROB players in a while, ROB can be annoying sometimes..

 

[Matt07]

Who can't beat ROB? lol

Me, lol. I constintely lose against a ROB player here.

 

[vato_break]

lets do ness then ;]

 

[A2ZOMG]

I really don't like playing against ROBs. Mario can juggle him nicely, but ROB is very difficult to approach with his amazing tilts, epic F-smash for anti-airs, and good edgeguard options.

Vs Ness however is a fun matchup. I think Mario wins it 6/4.

 

[mars16]

Ness sounds great

He's basicly just an easier version of Lucas

 

[HeroMystic]

I 0-deathed a ROB once.

Btw, why are we trying to start trouble?

 

[DtJ XeroXen]

Ness is 55-45/60-40 Mario's favor.

Bair outranges everything he has, as does Cape (which can **** him up pretty badly and he might lose a stock.)

Blah blah blah *insert matchup analysis* fludd > ness blah blah.

 

[Inferno3044]

So which one are we doing, ROB or Ness?

 

[HeroMystic]

Lets do neither.

It'll just be a giant cluster**** of egos going at each other.

 

[BoTastic!]

What can mario do to rival Ness's Fair btw?

 

[HeroMystic]

Cape Jump.

 

[BoTastic!]

Cape Jump.

???? cape them before they jump? or cape their fair?

 

[HeroMystic]

The Cape outranges the F-air and does not have a hurtbox for Mario. Only problem is it comes out slower so it takes some prediction. Though, who doesn't use F-air for Ness?

 

[Matador]

Neither, both are self-explanatory.

Fludd >>> Ness

ROB, I understand how getting around his tilts could be difficult, they're quick and have nice range, you definitely need to get crafty when going about getting inside...but Mario's so anti-ROB onstage. Combos, approach, cape for dealing with his camping...Hell, you can even camp him back because of his large frame and abundance of blindspots.

If you're careful offstage and learn specifics about the match-up (Usmash beats ROB's Nair, what approaches work, how to build the most dmg offstage) then it's a straight-forward match-up. Bo still ***** it as far as I know.

Edit @ Ness' Fair: As far as spacing goes, we can't do much to it, just punish unsafe landings or baiting it out. If he tries to use it aggressively, it doesn't have the range to be safe from our OOS options. FIHL works wonders on its spacing if you use FLUDD that way too.

And cape outranges it if you can time it...but it's one of those issues in the match-up. No really reliable options to deal with it.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Precisely timed B-airs trade hits and outdamage Ness's F-air, and B-air does in fact pretty much outrange Ness's moveset outside of that. However generally speaking, Mario outzones Ness. His tools in the air are just plain faster and safer, so Mario does significantly better racking up consistent damage against Ness. Landing the kill can be a little bit tricky, but Up-smashes beat everything Ness has (INCLUDING F-air at the right spacing), and a well-timed Sliding Up-smash can finish him off earlier than Ness can kill you with B-throw.

Oh yeah, Cape and FLUDD also gimp Ness, but really, Mario just wins this on stage.

Good Nesses from what I know (ViceGrip) like to use fullhops and vertical spacing to make their aerials harder to punish. It's a good brickwall, but don't let this intimidate you. Mario can counter this handily by running under Ness and breaking into his zoning with fullhopped U-airs, since Ness's D-air is a slow move. Keep in mind this wall WILL beat your standard strategy of B-air spacing slightly, so you have to be alert and watching what strategy he's doing. Provided you have good observation however, Mario dominates the air with his superior U-air and B-airs.

On the ground, Mario also is slightly advantaged. Ness does have a disjointed DA and F-smash, but those can be easily avoided and punished. Mario has a better F-tilt and Jab, and while his grab is smaller, his Jab cancel into grab is much more reliable.

This is a matchup that makes you think, since there are some fairly specific counters to Ness's spacing strategies, however I do think Mario wins this 6/4.

 

[mars16]

I guess were discussing Ness
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Ness is easy to gimp for Mario...

Just look at his recovery

65:35

 

[A2ZOMG]

A character can be gimpable but still win. Look at Falco. Technically he beats Mario, even though his recovery can be easily gimped.

Mario however actually dominates Ness onstage with safer and more effective tools.

 

[hippiedude92]

Who can't beat ROB? lol

me lol idk why i suck so much *** against him :/ l have to get the matchup down lol.

against ness, a good one, takes alot of time, a patient battle u gotta fight, esp if Ness is spacing his **** right but Mario without a doubt has the tools to fight Ness.

 

[Inferno3044]

So it's Ness I'm guessing?

 

[HeroMystic]

Looks like it.

*puts on Hammer Bros Flame Helmet*

 

[Matt07]

Uh-oh this might not end well.

Straked, and Levitas might want to keep a good eye on this thread xD.