Guide The Mario Match-Up Discussion Thread

[Bamesy]

Grab is funner and better

 

[condemned_soul]

being top falco would be cool but im going for best mario

 

[a rookie]

I'm going for best Mario too! There can only be one ^_^
Tournament starts in 3 hours, everyone please watch
the stream : http://www.ustream.tv/channel/wgf2011
Hopefully I'm on there at all xD But I know I'll make it far.

 

[condemned_soul]

ill watch and you better win dude. imma need some type of competition

 

[StealthyGunnar]

lol competition. no troll intended.

i need to meet some of u guys

 

[Bamesy]

I know I'm a top 5 Mario at this point...but there isn't much 'competition' for it and I had plenty of competition over the last few months to get myself there.
You guys better be stepping it up, soon there will be a solid top 20 and placing as the top 20 at all tourneys. Mango is the noob at 20th.

Needs more grab and GROUND GAME though.
Utilt+Grab(s)+Uair+Fsmash is broke. We need to break this character world wide more. :D

 

[condemned_soul]

wait Bamesy do you main Mario?

 

[Pine]

lol at everyone being all like i is best mario mangggggggggg

prove it

 

[otg]

I agree with Pine. None of you have done ****.

Bamesy, where are you even from that you have 3 of the top falcos in the world and **** them with Mario?

 

[Bamesy]

wait Bamesy do you main Mario?

Falco...
DID though. That was September for Mario. >_>
Hence I've had a crapload of time to get him decent.

I'm actually in a slump right now...
Played purely Falco for so long (since Jan 1st) and then played about an hour twice this week using OTHER characters...and just couldn't do it. Even my Falco feels sloppy and lazy. The beginning of the month was amazing cause over the holidays in Dec I played a ton of smash and some of the best in the country a LOT, but this month I've been slacking and only locally and trying to help them improve so not playing much myself...

I just need to make a bit of a change in the way I'm doing things...trying to force my rusty Pika to move as fast as I could without touching him for months isn't a good start. I'll be fine soon, but right now just not feeling it.

lol at everyone being all like i is best mario mangggggggggg

prove it

Count them on your fingers and there's...10?
That was easy.
Count the players that are great with Mario but don't actually use him to any extent.
That's about another 10
Top half of that is a little tougher, but easy enough if you alread play at a top level.

That's got nothing to do with anything though.
The purpose the Mario community exists is to make 20 TOP MARIO PLAYERS!
Whoever's the best of them doesn't matter, Mario players are the best in the world at that point.

step 1: Grab more.

otg
3 of the top 20 Falcos.
That's not tough to come by. BC Canada...our top 4 are 3 Falcos
(Sioooon and Bo1000 and Daltsyyyy WOOP)
Don't worry about it, it's not very extreme/good/incredibly awesome. It's just meh. LOL

 

[otg]

Sion and Bo1000 are both solid, idk about top 20 tho. If they are, they are on the are the lower end of that list. There are too many ***ing good Falco's. Such a scrub character.

 

[Bamesy]

Agreed.
Easiest character to play at a high level. Kind of like Ganon, but actually useful at all levels and easy as taking a crap to pick up.
Mine's already decent and I've only been playing him for a month. Just going off the BILLIONS of Falco matches that any person will inevitably witness and experience if they play smash.
Silly character. LOL
Dalts is on par with those 2 too. Just mains Falcon instead.
We don't get out much up here. lol

 

[StealthyGunnar]

i thought i was good with falco until i started watching more vids online. then i figured out every1 is good w him lol

 

[Bamesy]

Tru dat ^

Though what you do BEYOND the Falco foundation is what makes you even mildly threatening.
Avoid lasers unless they're ALREADY shielding, or in the air.
Step 1 to not being generic with that character.
**** Falco dittos though.
See so much of it here that the SPAMMED GENERIC Falcos only know that match up so they can't do crap against anyone else but the 3 beast Falcos we have but lose to them so they're completely useless and just laser spam until people figure that out then they're screwed...
Stupid depth in this region lol

 

[condemned_soul]

guy lets stick to the MUs pls. this belongs in the social thread so if you want to keep tis conversation going then head there

 

[Bamesy]

Falco gets ***** by grabs
Discuss

 

[StealthyGunnar]

uthrow ***** spacies. dthrow ***** all

 

[M@1funk$hun]

fthrow is nearly useless

switching the MU back to link, I think it needs more discussing.

 

[StealthyGunnar]

link isnt that tough, considering there arent a lot of great links.

 

[M@1funk$hun]

that doesn't mean the matchup isn't difficult... >.>

 

[StealthyGunnar]

it's not that bad tho.. i just dont like it. i hate links jab and nair.

 

[Bamesy]

Fair > Jab > Fair > Jab > Fair > Jab > Grab
Pretty good combo Link has o.O
No, really, it works.
I'm not discussing this ****ty character though.
Move around like a cockroach and he can't do anything. You're faster.

SOOOOO FAST!!! o.O

 

[Pine]

thats not true bamesy. skler and i play regulary and we run even in this matchup. obviously we both know how to play each other so that takes into effect however link has a lot of tricksies and spacing techniques to annoy mario. mario,even though he is fast, isnt the quickest char in the world and has limited range so link does have time to set up being annoying

 

[Bamesy]

Mario has limited range?
Link has range?

Naawwww don't use speed it's useless...
*sarcasm(obvs I hope)*

 

[Pine]

link has all disjointed hitboxes aka a sword, and a nair that goes through most things. mario uses his hands and feetsiez to attack. link has 3 projectiles, mario has one decent one. who wins the range battle there? link can do a lot more then you give him credit for. idk about you but if i kick a sword its not gunna go well

 

[condemned_soul]

dude link is better then what we give him credit for

 

[Pine]

lol soul you stole that directly out of my text!!

but yes link is "good" he is just a char noone has cared to get good with. he has just as much potential as mario in honesty

 

[Bamesy]

link has all disjointed hitboxes aka a sword, and a nair that goes through most things. mario uses his hands and feetsiez to attack. link has 3 projectiles, mario has one decent one. who wins the range battle there? link can do a lot more then you give him credit for. idk about you but if i kick a sword its not gunna go well

lol read dudeman

don't use speed it's useless...
*sarcasm(obvs I hope)*

Quoting myself

Link has range so you use speed. *Obvious*

Link got nothing on YLink. CAMBODIA LOLOLOLOL XD

Seriously though, Link sucks and will never do very well at a tournament again.
Mario can and will and has.

gg

 

[condemned_soul]

lol soul you stole that directly out of my text!!

but yes link is "good" he is just a char noone has cared to get good with. he has just as much potential as mario in honesty

lol my bad i didnt read your post

 

[a rookie]

I didn't make it to the tournament T_T
FAIL! Lol. But there's another tournament
in 2 weeks, so all good (:

 

[condemned_soul]

I didn't make it to the tournament T_T
FAIL! Lol. But there's another tournament
in 2 weeks, so all good (:

yeah dude I was asking the commentator where the **** you were and he was all like *um i havent seen him but mangos here*. i just left because I wanted to see you play

 

[Bamesy]

Next time.
:D

 

[StealthyGunnar]

i feel so honored to be in bamesy's sig :D

 

[Bamesy]

:D teehee

 

[condemned_soul]

lol can we redo the falcon MU. I used to be really good at it but lately I have been having trouble playing them

 

[A2ZOMG]

B-air usually trades favorably with his N-air. SHFFL U-air is also a pretty decent wall against him and just a good option against Falcon in general.

Psychic U-tilts are **** against Falcon. If you know he's approaching (specifically, jumping at you), U-tilt *****. U-angled F-tilts are also gdlk against Falcon. SHFFL Aerial -> Jab/U-tilt is also useful when pressuring Falcon's shield.

U-throw -> D-smash him when he's at 0. U-throw chaingrabbing him works at around 45ish. D-throw -> D-smash is great when his damage is like 60 or higher. It's especially funny when you get Falcon to DI this combo badly.

He's really fun to U-air juggle when he DIs towards you at high percents. Killing him is as simple as B-airing his recovery for the most part. Otherwise make him land onstage, and F-air/F-smash **** him or something.

Also I feel a lot of Mario users (including myself) forget about fireballs. They're pretty invaluable in this matchup. Not for camping him or doing damage, but for just disrupting him and giving yourself a breather at long distance. Caping Falcon on stage is also pretty useful since getting behind him generally is good.

 

[Bamesy]

Stay grounded, DD/WD lots and don't trade with aerials. Stay on him, but let HIM make the first move. Uair, Utilt, grab, he'll be in the air 90% of the time if you stay on the ground. The rest of the time he'll be landing or going for grabs. Don't go for big hits, avoid laggy ANYTHING (fireballs included, mine are contrary to A2Zs thoughts on this) and just chip away at him. Grab a ton and DON'T DO ANYTHING LAGGY UNLESS YOU'RE SURE ABOUT IT!!!

I play a Doc ALL DAY with Falcon, and recently played probably the best Falcon in Canada with Mario...
This strat works minorly on me (as I've been teaching him it lol) and nothing else works. This strat works wonders for me (as it shut him down against me lol)

Use smarts and you'll win.
Grab lots, don't let him move and he can't use ONE OF THE TWO THINGS HE HAS OVER YOU!

1. Move Speed
2. Big Hits

Stay pressuring and he can't use 1
Don't use laggy and he can't use 2

Arped with Falcon against the Doc today...
But when he grabbed/stayed in the area but didn't over commit, that's when he was even mildly threatening.

 

[A2ZOMG]

There's a time and place to use fireballs. Yes they kinda have commitment, but what else does Mario have that can't be punished on whiff in the right situation? Falcon has to get off the ground to work around fireballs if his goal is to get in and punish. Falcon's most annoying approach besides smart N-airs is baiting into grab, and by throwing fireballs, it's a way of pestering him that he usually shouldn't be able to punish with grab.

I'm not telling you to spam fireballs. Fireballs however are very underused against Falcon for controlling the ground.

 

[condemned_soul]

There's a time and place to use fireballs. Yes they kinda have commitment, but what else does Mario have that can't be punished on whiff in the right situation? Falcon has to get off the ground to work around fireballs if his goal is to get in and punish. Falcon's most annoying approach besides smart N-airs is baiting into grab, and by throwing fireballs, it's a way of pestering him that he usually shouldn't be able to punish with grab.

I'm not telling you to spam fireballs. Fireballs however are very underused against Falcon for controlling the ground.

Yeah Boss used to do that when he played against Korns falcon..... the vids in the our vids thread lol

do we have any move that can counter their Nair?

Boss
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzHe7QqTiNs Korn (Falcon) FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_SuGif52Uw Korn (Falcon) FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipoAIWx7NmI Korn (Falcon) FD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGVPquV5X6A Korn (Falcon) FD

 

[Bamesy]

Fsmash
woop