The point of my vague claim is so that Macman, who I know is guilty, cannot tailor a fake story to the specifics of the information I have on him. I would not mind claiming which role I have, but I will not do it before I hear more from Macman.
Specifically, before I hear more than his simple pointing out what could be wrong with any claim in general, which is what he has done. Read Macman's posts and see that he basically runs the gamut of game-mechanical possibilities and does not touch on anything I have done, anything he has said, and refuses to acknowledge that any of his own behavior has been suspicious. A clean manipulation can be found in his response to my saying he is strikingly inactive - he response that 'not posting in 1.5 days isn't inactive.' What he means to say is that the time between the start of Day 2 and his post was 1.5 days, but in honesty, the time between his last post and the time I called him out for inactivity was 7 days, part of this being night time, but part of it being day. Add this to his behavior on day 1: he voted me when i already had votes on me, without explanation, and then unvoted me when he was called out on it - he later excuses his behavior as 'making a vote in a phase that didn't seem to be serious.' Which invites the question, why did you make the vote, then? Was your vote not serious? If your vote wasn't serious, why was it on the person who already had three? The obvious and acceptable answer is bandwagoning.
If you were to get a result like this, why would you immediately come out with it? I would think that if you had me confirmed as mafia already you wouldn’t put out this information immediately. You say you can pick up on tells really well, so wouldn’t the smart thing for you to do have been apply pressure on me and see how others respond in order to weed out my potential scummates?
Also, you immediately claim a power role, giving the mafia a target. I don’t see why you would choose to do it this way.
As I mention earlier, I immediately came out with it because
1.) I believed that the suspicion that I held in the mob's eye was equivalent to any that you had. I received enough votes yesterday to be L-3. I found this to be more of any sign of hectic voting and suspicion that any claims of FOS, and rightfully so - they were votes. Pushing for a lynch could have quickly and easily backfired.
2.) What is to say that I, or anyone, cannot pick up on any tells from the discussion happening right now? Why do you suggest that it is more beneficial for the town for me to keep my information to myself and pick up tells knowing I have a guilty rather than letting everyone know that I have a guilty and allowing them to gather their own information, view the situation from a position of suspect, and gather their own tells? When the card flips, they will have confirmed the information I currently, personally have confirmed, and they will be able to work with what they have suspected already. Acknowledging this, answer me why it is, at ALL, a poor decision to claim the way I have?
3.) Claiming that I am a power role, after the lynch flip, provides me with nigh assured protection/watch. I cannot say the same about vehemently pushing for a lynch and being correct - Marshy pushed the **** out of the Stratford lynch in Tomafia 3, Stratford flipped scum, and Marshy was killed THAT night, even in the presence of an active doctor who simply picked incorrectly. The comparison has its differences, as Marshy was not a power role, but all things considered, if he were a power role and had simply pushed for a known lynch, nobody would have known if here were or weren't. It aptly makes my point and shaped my logic.
The way you worded this makes it seem as though you are either a tracker or a watcher. The problem that arises from this is that generally, these roles do not tell you what action was performed. So if you were one of these roles you could not have known whether I killed marshy or not. So if this is the case, you are basically guessing that I killed him because he turned up dead. Tom you are a smart player, so if this were the case you must have considered this possibility. I doubt you would have risked lynching a town PR.
Here is the situation in which my vague claim comes into play. Right here, you simply suggest that the problem with a tracker or a watcher is that you could have been a town power role and not a guilty cop investigation. If I had claimed tracker or watcher, you could easily simply state that you are a cop and try to out the real cop. If I had claimed cop, you could simply claim that I am either insane, paranoid, or that you are a miller. By giving you more information, you will simply shape a fake claim to sound legitimate.
Problem with this situation is that I don’t believe Tom would pull this as mafia since he knows that once I turn up town he will almost definitely be lynched. I have a strong feeling that Tom may actually be a lyncher.
And here is where my statement that you are simply going through the motions of game mechanics as your defense is rooted. In the quote before, you stated that the problem was that my claim, if I were a tracker or a watcher, is fallible because if you are a power role then both my report would be right and your "guilty" would be because you were making an action on Marshy that was not a killing one. However, in this later quote, you state that the problem is that if you are lynched and are town, then I would 'almost definitely be lynched' because I pushed a lynch on a townie with purposefully crafted false information. Would I be lynched? What happened to the reasoning why my investigation is wrong, that you are a town power role making an action on Marshy Night 1 and thats why I thought you were guilty?
Not posting for one and half RL days doesn't seem 'severely inactive' to me. Especially when many others have yet to post as well.
I most definitely asked the mod to prod more people than just you - I simply stated you earlier, isolated, because I have guilty information on you and I dont have role information on them.
TBH, the reason I waited this long to make this post is so that others would have a chance before that. I was sort of hoping that almost everyone would be for my lynch so that I could make the argument that everyone was for this than I am likely to not be mafia since my potential mafia mates would not be so eager to have me lynched. But this didn’t really happen. Also I realized that this would have been a somewhat weak argument since if I was mafia I could have easily told my fellow mafia to be against me just so I can make this argument.
Again, you say one thing and then immediately negate it with a second statement. Your strategy was x, but you realize that it is a weak argument because x. Then why do it? Why not respond immediately, if you know that your reasoning for waiting is poor and there are good reasons to respond quickly?
Now, one more question for you Tom. The way you claimed it almost seemed as if you were trying to initiate the lynch right away. You know as well as I do that discussion only helps town, but the way your first post of the day sounded, it really seemed like you were trying to push something to happen quickly, when I think that would be the worst decision. This may be just a misinterpretation, but I would like to hear a response on that.
I assume this is in comparison to Harry Potter Day 2, in which every member of the town knew that a Frozenflame was guilty, and that I did not want the votes to pile on because I did not want a lack of discussion. This situation is different, because I am the only one of the town who knows through the game that Macman is guilty. The discussion will come regardless this time, because while some people would be for the lynch, not everyone would be immediately convinced that it is vote worthy. In HP mafia, everyone was convinced it was vote worthy, because we all saw Frozenflames mafia cardflip before he and the doctor were both brought back to life.
but on the subject of macman, i really don't think that he killed him. why? because marshy did like really not that much during day one. i think it was just a less expirenced guy who just wanted to get an almost as awesome as me player at mafia out of the game =/ i forgot what i was saying, i'll organize my thoughts and post again in a sec.
This struck me as terribly curious. You don't think that Macman killed Marshy because Marshy did very little day one - you think that a less experienced mafiat killed marshy because he is simply a good player. If Marshy did very little, then why is it bad to kill him? It is not bad mafia strategy to kill an experienced townie who leaves no real opinions or leads behind to be made more convincing by verifying his alignment.
I really don't see how an inexperianced player has anything involved in terms of killing Marshy. Also, I don't think anyone said that Macman is responsible for his death. Just saying that he's acting scummy.
No, I did say that Macman is part of the mafia that killed Marshy.
I will respond to statements by EE in a later post.
