The Living Legend - Solid Snake in Brawl+

King Funk · Apr 19, 2009

When everyone thought vBrawl would be Melee 2.0, everyone thought that Sonic would be freaking awesome and Snake would suck because he is too slow. Now that we have greater gravity, speed and comboes, and the game is getting closer to Melee's and 64's style, Snake is obviously nerfed. But that doesn't mean he's bad, I'm sure anyone can get good with him, the goal is to find out all of his new tricks to determine his quality in the game.

Eternal Yoshi · Apr 19, 2009

I've been experimenting with something with Snake. when I knock someone high up in the air, I like to jump twice and use the cypher below them then use bair to hit my opponent if he airdodges the cypher.

GHNeko · Apr 19, 2009

Eternal Yoshi said:
I've been experimenting with something with Snake. when I knock someone high up in the air, I like to jump twice and use the cypher below them then use bair to hit my opponent if he airdodges the cypher.

...That works?

Eternal Yoshi · Apr 19, 2009

Only on digital dummies(CPUs) is this confirmed to work. I need a human player to test it, but I think it might work because bair's hitbox stays out for a large amount of frames.

The cypher is a hitbox as soon as Snake lets it go and it would be hard to read when he will let it go, so the point is to use this factor to trick them into air dodging BEFORE the cypher is a hitbox, then you can use bair and it's long lasting hitbox to punish your foe.

Andarel · May 8, 2009

Well, mr. Snake here is getting no topic love? Shame.

I played him a little bit in vBrawl, and am considering playing him more in Brawl+. He's just got so much range and is pretty fast for his power/range, and grenades are awesome. What playstyle does he seem to move towards now?

ChronoTrigga · May 8, 2009

Does his grenade slide still work in Brawl+? That's always fun.

Revven · May 9, 2009

Here's some Snake videos for you Snake mains, my friend SFG used him.

0WN1N (Mario) VS. SciFiGuy (Snake)
0WN1N (DK) VS. SciFiGuy (Snake)
0WN1N (Charizard) VS. SciFiGuy (Snake)
0WN1N (Sheik) VS. SciFiGuy (Snake) 1

All 4.1.

Eternal Yoshi · May 9, 2009

Thanks. I'll update the OP with this.

ChronoTrigga said:
Does his grenade slide still work in Brawl+? That's always fun.

You mean Mortar slides? They still work. However, in order to do a contact Mortar slide, you have to put your buffer at the brawl default by setting the value at 100.

Andarel · May 10, 2009

The move that interests me most is the ftilt1 knee. It looks like it has great comboability, but I'm not sure if it's possible to tell exactly where it will send someone (if it pops up, is ftilt1 -> nair possible? Because that would be amazing for killing). It's still got decent range and is really fast.

Are there any reliable Snake combos? I know uthrow-utilt at 0%, and I know his kill moves are mostly really fast (ftilt, utilt, uair, bair, even nair and dair pretty fast), so I'm wondering what people are using to start off the damage racking and if there are any reliable combos. Throws other than uthrow / dthrow combo at all?

Eternal Yoshi · May 10, 2009

Against fast fallers like Falcon. Starting from about 15%, Utilt<Utilt<Utilt<Nair.

His Uthrow CGs DDD until 37% and Fast fallers until about 20%.

OK. I added the section that has potential combos. I need someone to test these on a human player to confirm these work on more than CPUs.

Mr.-0 · May 22, 2009

I don't know why people say snake will be lower on the tier list. He's pretty much unchanged. He doesn't need comboes. Those arn't what made him good in brawl ( even though barwl doesn't have any ) and his nades are unchanged. With ally beating M2K in brawl and mk being called mk minus, i'd think that snake would be heading for the top in b+ and in v brawl.

metaXzero · May 22, 2009

Mr.-0 said:
I don't know why people say snake will be lower on the tier list. He's pretty much unchanged. He doesn't need comboes. Those arn't what made him good in brawl ( even though barwl doesn't have any ) and his nades are unchanged. With ally beating M2K in brawl and mk being called mk minus, i'd think that snake would be heading for the top in b+ and in v brawl.

Brawl+ rewards offensive play. Characters that manage to get inside can now wreak his campy frame with combos. And his recovery is mush against edgeguarding.

vBrawl Snake lives in a campy world where even if he gets hit, he usually won't take too much damage and can resume camping. Any time Brawl+ Snake fails to repel an approach, he's going to feel hurt (especially if comboed off the edge).

GHNeko · May 22, 2009

Which is why the metagame of Snake+ should focus on CQC, Gtfo tactics, and extreme edgeguarding.

Because when you look at it, a large majority of Snake's moveset = retardedly good edgeguarding.

Landmind, Nades, CF, Nikita, RPG, Dtilt, Utilt, Dthrow, Jab, Filt 1+2, Usmash.

Need I go on? His moveset sceams edgeguarder. More than marios. You just need to be careful and calculating about it. If they get inside, get them out. When the opportunity approaches, you take it with his okay offensive tactics.

Mr.-0 · May 23, 2009

metaXzero said:
Brawl+ rewards offensive play. Characters that manage to get inside can now wreak his campy frame with combos. And his recovery is mush against edgeguarding.

vBrawl Snake lives in a campy world where even if he gets hit, he usually won't take too much damage and can resume camping. Any time Brawl+ Snake fails to repel an approach, he's going to feel hurt (especially if comboed off the edge).

Oh, I get it: if somebody gets him into a combo in b+ than he'll have a hard time resumeing his camping and will be forced to playt agreesively in the meantime. Right?

And who else thinks that they should make a b+ tier list thread?

GHNeko · May 23, 2009

Mr.-0 said:
And who else thinks that they should make a b+ tier list thread?

No one. LOL.

Mr.-0 · May 23, 2009

GHNeko said:
No one. LOL.

aww....

GHNeko · May 23, 2009

When a gold version comes out. SURE!

Mr.-0 · May 24, 2009

Yay!! Go gold! Wait, that's gonna be in like ayear, right?

Arkaether · May 24, 2009

Of course not! A year is way too long!

...more like 10 months

GHNeko · May 24, 2009

I hope it takes a long time. LOL

Mr.-0 · May 24, 2009

wahhaha... but if anybody want6s to talk about the potiental tier list right now i'd be happy :laugh:

bu7t then, that's not going to happen... marth for top tier!!!

Palpi · May 25, 2009

Snake doesn't seem too much different, but the time I used him I didn't do too terrible. It as easy or easy to get c4 kills because of hitstun and you can string together some usairs.

GHNeko · May 25, 2009

Also, taunt = Edgeguarding move.

... :|

Seriously. I'm trying to get them to speed up that spot where Snake stays in his box, and button pressing doesnt make him pop out until later.

Basically try to get it so that as soon as the box covers him completely, he and take it off, instead of having to wait almost a second.

goodoldganon · May 25, 2009

GHNeko said:
Also, taunt = Edgeguarding move.

... :|

Seriously. I'm trying to get them to speed up that spot where Snake stays in his box, and button pressing doesnt make him pop out until later.

Basically try to get it so that as soon as the box covers him completely, he and take it off, instead of having to wait almost a second.

Get me the frame data

GHNeko · May 25, 2009

goodoldganon said:
Get me the frame data

Teach me how to make frame data with the debug code.

Arkaether · May 25, 2009

Press start, use the z button to move forward frame by frame. Learn to count. Instant win.

GHNeko · May 25, 2009

Debug code plz.

goodoldganon · May 25, 2009

2E00010C ********

Go here and insert a value you'd like Snake's box taunt sped up by.
http://babbage.cs.qc.edu/IEEE-754/Decimal.html

This line would speed up Snake's box taunts from frame 00 by x amount.

GHNeko · May 25, 2009

Okay. So I speed up snake's taunts. At frame 20, the animation speeds up by 4x times.

What this now allows snake to do is legit box ledgeguarding AND follow up a fully charged usmash at the ledge with a box right behind the motar shot.

Thoughts?

Arkaether · May 25, 2009

GHNeko said:
follow up a fully charged usmash at the ledge with a box right behind the motar shot.

I have no words to describe how epic this is. I support this.

GHNeko · May 25, 2009

If anyone wants to try it out, I can upload a gct for you guys.

Or a small quick clip.

whichever works.

Arkaether · May 25, 2009

Clip would be nice.

GHNeko · May 25, 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC1efW28U1c

kgo

Hostility · May 29, 2009

GHNeko said:
Need I go on? His moveset sceams edgeguarder. More than marios. You just need to be careful and calculating about it. If they get inside, get them out. When the opportunity approaches, you take it with his okay offensive tactics.

I definetly agree that snake is a zoning character. He's great at keeping people out of his tilt range and at controlling space. His projetiles are amazing as you can set traps to shut off a lot of different approaches.

Snake is still a pretty good character in brawl+, he can't combo all that well compared to some of the other characters, and he gets destroyed in the air and offstage, but his zoning game will ensure that he's still a very usable character. I should have some videos up of my snake from a tournament last week for those who are interested.

GHNeko · May 29, 2009

I Want To See. Show Me You Fool.

Hostility · May 29, 2009

Here's the only one from the tournament up, I don't think I played very well this particular match, but whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jtq0uyZb7yc&feature=channel_page

GHNeko · May 30, 2009

Pretty sexy snake.

The release is old though, and IIRC, sheik has changed a bit. :V

Hostility · May 30, 2009

I play in other matchups too in the other videos but they aren't up yet. In grand finals I play lucien (amazing wolf) and both characters dont really change a huge amount between versions. And next time I record matches it will be with a newer version.

GHNeko · May 30, 2009

Good **** though. You're snake is so sexy. Almost as sexy as yes!

a male platypus · Jun 2, 2009

Nice Snake there bro

Lets have someone put a B+ Snake combo video up, that would be amazing. I just recently started using him about last week and so far I've managed pretty good with him. Lol I actually beat Jbandrew and Bo x7 in a little 2v1 (it was a doubles match but my partner sucked) even though I got a little bit lucky obviously there was no doubt I was ******. Imo, Snake+ is a pretty fun character

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