The Legendary Heroes of Galar - Zacian and Zamazenta for Smash

[LukeRNG]

What day would we get the pkemon direct then?

I can't remember what days of the week they'd usually have their presentations.

 

[zacian]

What day would we get the pkemon direct then?

I can't remember what days of the week they'd usually have their presentations.

Between Tuesday and Thursday? Isn’t that when directs usually happen

 

[Staarih]

What day would we get the pkemon direct then?

I can't remember what days of the week they'd usually have their presentations.

Pokémon Day itself is on a Saturday, and they rarely (never?) do presentations during weekends. So it'll be Friday the latest. But we have to remember time zones, in which case they would like to air it Friday the latest in Japan, which means Thursday for the west. Soo, Thursday? We'll know soon enough, luckily.

 

[LukeRNG]

What are your hopes for game annoucements during this week?

I still can't shake off wanting some Mystery Dungeon news even though it's too soon (and I don't want them to become like GameFreak with yearly releases).
For the likely Diamond/Pearl remakes I hope they do improve significantly from Sword/Shield in regards to visuals & postgame content. Of course not expecting a visual jump akin to moving from one generation to another, but a good enough improvement from Sword/Shield.

 

[zacian]

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FULL CHARIZARD TEAM IS HAPPENING

 

[Staarih]

FULL CHARIZARD TEAM IS HAPPENING

Pokelego999 called it, Leon it is, though with Charizard (again). I guess adding Gigantamax would've been too soon. I wonder what the difference with Master Sync Pairs is though.
Cool to see Marnie too, Galar is slowly making its way to Masters.

 

[zacian]

Pokelego999 called it, Leon it is, though with Charizard (again). I guess adding Gigantamax would've been too soon. I wonder what the difference with Master Sync Pairs is though.
Cool to see Marnie too, Galar is slowly making its way to Masters.

According to the datamine, Master pairs just seem to get an extra passive

 

[Pokelego999]

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FULL CHARIZARD TEAM IS HAPPENING

Leon gets Charizard but Morty gets Drifblim lmao

 

[fogbadge]

Typical the older brother gets all the love

 

[LukeRNG]

I hope the pokemon presents isn't too early for me. The Pyra/Mythra presentation sadly is a bit early, but at least it's not a character reveal.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think the Pokémon presentation will be at a better time. Pyra and Mythra have a far larger ratio of support in Japan compared to other regions, so it's not surprising that they're choosing a time that works better for them.

 

[zacian]

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Poke man

 

[fogbadge]

Could be anything can’t wait

 

[LukeRNG]

Outside the obvious mainline game reveal I hope there's other exciting game announcements (outside of mobile games).
Some new games from spin-off series and the like. Though I'm sure there'll likely be news on every aspect of pokemon: tcg, merch & other events like the concert.

 

[fogbadge]

i do hope its gen 4 remakes as ive planned my team but id rather they didnt do another lets go

 

[zacian]

I’m hoping for Pokémon 3

 

[LukeRNG]

I’m hoping for Pokémon 3

But we've yet to have pokemon 1.5, 2.5, 1.8, 2.8 & 2.9. Gotta wait 13 years or so.

 

[zacian]

got Leon in Masters

 

[Staarih]

got Leon in Masters
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Good job! Pulled him today too.

Also, some contents of today's Pokemon Presents have apparently leaked, so beware if spoilers are not your thing. Luckily it's only a few hours until the presentation airs.

 

[fogbadge]

that was quite a presentation, 3 switch games im getting with out question

 

[Staarih]

Yeah, New Pokémon Snap looks better with every new video, that's an instant get.

Was kinda surprised by the art style of Brilliant Diamond/Shining Pearl (it's gonna be "BD/SP", right?), it almost looks a bit too faithful to the originals. Then again, the art style will likely grow on me and I think their target group is those who haven't experienced Sinnoh before anyway. It also looks like an easy holiday game before the more ambitious looking Legends...

...which looks really good. Except for a rough performance in some parts, but they have time to fix that. A very interesting direction to take the games to, with the mix-match of starters as well.

 

[zacian]

So do we start asking for Black and White remakes now

 

[Cosmic77]

Arceus should give people that BotW direction that they had wanted for SwSh. Looks interesting, and while I'm glad people are seemingly excited for it, I hope the bar isn't set so high that people dish out the same excessive criticism as SwSh got.

The DP remakes don't look exactly how I imagined. Seems to be more of a Link's Awakening style remake than something that resembles Let's Go or SwSh. Probably for the best; it feels like this will be the simplest way to preserve the feeling from the orginals. Already seeing a lot of trash talk though. Ironically, I'm sure most of those people were also begging for someone other than Game Freak to make them.

 

[LukeRNG]

They're literally making me pick from my favorite starters of their regions in the new game. Didn't think a selection of old starters would be so hard for me to choose from.

Also the new Arceus game could offer a lot of what we could expect in generation 9, which I feel is already a win.

 

[fogbadge]

They're literally making me pick from my favorite starters of their regions in the new game. Didn't think a selection of old starters would be so hard for me to choose

Same

 

[LukeRNG]

Thinking about it, I wouldn't mind another Sinnoh pokemon being added in smash. Garchomp especially I think would be awesome (it's also the 2nd most popular sinnoh pokemon behind Lucario & has been the go-to pseudo legendary for years). We do have precedent about revisiting old regions affecting character picks (Pokemon Trainer for FireRed & LeafGreen + 10th anniversary of pokemon around Brawl's development); but of course it's not a gurantee.

This year will be an interesting one for smash & pokemon speculation. I think it's safe to say this year is the last chance we have for a gen 8 pokemon (regardless of whether we get a 3rd pass or not). And with the 25th anniversary lining up anything could happen.

 

[fogbadge]

Thinking about it, I wouldn't mind another Sinnoh pokemon being added in smash. Garchomp especially I think would be awesome (it's also the 2nd most popular sinnoh pokemon behind Lucario & has been the go-to pseudo legendary for years). We do have precedent about revisiting old regions affecting character picks (Pokemon Trainer for FireRed & LeafGreen + 10th anniversary of pokemon around Brawl's development); but of course it's not a gurantee.

This year will be an interesting one for smash & pokemon speculation. I think it's safe to say this year is the last chance we have for a gen 8 pokemon (regardless of whether we get a 3rd pass or not). And with the 25th anniversary lining up anything could happen.

well gen 1 is usually the exception to the rule

 

[LukeRNG]

well gen 1 is usually the exception to the rule

I think at the point where brawl was there was a bit of a void missing from gen 1 (playable starter pokemon), which I believe to be filled by now. Plus I'm not 100% sure if Sakurai would've gone with Trainer if we didn't get the remakes or the 10th anniversary wasn't going on. Maybe he would've gone with a Hoenn pokemon to go along with Lucario.

 

[fogbadge]

I think at the point where brawl was there was a bit of a void missing from gen 1 (playable starter pokemon), which I believe to be filled by now. Plus I'm not 100% sure if Sakurai would've gone with Trainer if we didn't get the remakes or the 10th anniversary wasn't going on. Maybe he would've gone with a Hoenn pokemon to go along with Lucario.

I suppose we may never know

 

[LukeRNG]

I also just realized, with how they're approaching the remakes it likely means no new forms will happen.

 

[fogbadge]

I also just realized, with how they're approaching the remakes it likely means no new forms will happen.

looks like it, so thats my idea for a spirit event down the toilet

unless legends has something

 

[LukeRNG]

I'm hoping there's a decent variety & high amount of pokemon in Legends Arceus. I think it'd be redundant for Legends & the Sinnoh remakes to have a near-identical roster of pokemon. I understand having most Sinnoh pokemon in both, but other differences would be nice (I think it's safe to say the remakes won't have pokemon from gens 5-8).
Also hope the remakes aren't just 1-1 remakes of Diamond & Pearl, since most people love gen 4 mainly because of Platinum: a bigger pokedex, the Battle Frontier, Distortion World & other new additions that justify veterans to pick up these games again.

Cause even though I'm likely going to pick up Brilliant Diamond (what IS that name?), I'm not particularly excited to get into it day 1.

 

[Cosmic77]

Would've preferred Glimmering Diamond and Shimmering Pearl, but whatever.

Anyway, in terms of Smash, my stance hasn't really changed. There might be more to these remakes that we just haven't seen yet (such as new forms), but a Spirit Event is the best-case scenario IMO. Nintendo had the opportunity to cash in on XC:DE, but they opted for the three year-old XC2 instead. Why? Well, one was already represented fairly well; the other lacked a character and a stage. I think the same thing will be applied here. Diamond and Pearl has Lucario and a stage that features the Legendary mascots, so is there really much of a point in adding more of what already exists?

As for "Arceus: the Game", I'll have to see more before I could form a more solid opinion. First impressions though tell me that it'll be hard to tie down certain Pokémon to it.

I think at the point where brawl was there was a bit of a void missing from gen 1 (playable starter pokemon), which I believe to be filled by now. Plus I'm not 100% sure if Sakurai would've gone with Trainer if we didn't get the remakes or the 10th anniversary wasn't going on. Maybe he would've gone with a Hoenn pokemon to go along with Lucario.

I think Sakurai was more intrested in finding a way to represent the human player characters than he was expanding the roster of Gen 1 reps or promoting a recent release.

Honestly, I think we could've gotten PT at any point in time, regardless of whether or not Gen 1 was very relevant. If you're going to commit to making a three-in-one character, then you should probably choose the options that'll stand the test of time. Charizard and Squirtle are promoted frequently just because of their status as originals. Grovyle and Blaziken are popular, but they're not remotely comparable.

 

[fogbadge]

Cause even though I'm likely going to pick up Brilliant Diamond (what IS that name?)

well i think it diamond cutting there is such a thing as a brilliant cut so i think a brilliant diamond is a term

 

[LukeRNG]

I think I'll wait and see the roster of pokemon in Legends Arceus before continuing my marathon of pokemon games, since for the most part I'd rather not repeat the same pokemon in 2 games. The only one that I'm almost forced to use again is one of the starters.

Another thing: I find it hilarious how the #1 pokemon of the year has yet to be available in a switch mainline pokemon game. Especially since the starters in Legends Arceus fit in with Japanese culture, you'd think they'd have the ninja pokemon as well (though I can understand picking between the Ninja & the Samurai wasn't easy + I'm glad Oshawott is getting some love, Samurott is overhated imo).

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One way they could incorporate it is perhaps as a boss, since three hours before the presents Legends Arceus was leaked & featured many screenshots yet to be shown; and among them is a mysterious pokemon with a BotW styled overworld boss HP bar. I think it'd be hype to battle a fast & nibble Greninja in order to catch it.

 

[Delzethin]

Well, yesterday was different. Most of the important stuff has already been said, but here're my personal thoughts:

I don't know what to think about the Sinnoh remakes yet. The overworld art style doesn't click with me, and I'm worried they'll be too faithful to the originals out of blind nostalgia and undo many of the fixes Platinum made. If I see more signs they are using Platinum as a baseline (beyond the ambiguous ones so far), then I'll feel more comfortable. The fact that it's being outsourced is a better sign than it seems at first--TPC being more will to enlist help for titles like this should help free up the guys at Gamefreak to focus more on other major projects. Not being stretched as thing that way.

Legends, though, does have my attention. While I need to see how they handle the more open setup, the fact that they are taking risks and trying to experiment is a welcome sign for a franchise that has always shied away from it. And a secondary title is the perfect place to do it, because this way they can see what does or doesn't work and decide what they could carry over to Gen 9 or beyond. That, and I'm just really interested in this kind of expanded universe stuff.

Far as Smash goes...I think we're more or less in the same spot as before despite there being more games in the works than expected. The Sinnoh remakes are being outsourced, which makes them even less likely to get prioritized over Sword & Shield than before. Legends is the actual next major title, but it won't be ready until 2022, and I just do not see Sakurai pulling an entire batch of content from a game that'd potentially still be 2/3 of a year from its release when development on said content started.

Will probably get harder to gain support, though.

 

[LukeRNG]

Well, yesterday was different. Most of the important stuff has already been said, but here're my personal thoughts:

I don't know what to think about the Sinnoh remakes yet. The overworld art style doesn't click with me, and I'm worried they'll be too faithful to the originals out of blind nostalgia and undo many of the fixes Platinum made. If I see more signs they are using Platinum as a baseline (beyond the ambiguous ones so far), then I'll feel more comfortable. The fact that it's being outsourced is a better sign than it seems at first--TPC being more will to enlist help for titles like this should help free up the guys at Gamefreak to focus more on other major projects. Not being stretched as thing that way.

Legends, though, does have my attention. While I need to see how they handle the more open setup, the fact that they are taking risks and trying to experiment is a welcome sign for a franchise that has always shied away from it. And a secondary title is the perfect place to do it, because this way they can see what does or doesn't work and decide what they could carry over to Gen 9 or beyond. That, and I'm just really interested in this kind of expanded universe stuff.

Far as Smash goes...I think we're more or less in the same spot as before despite there being more games in the works than expected. The Sinnoh remakes are being outsourced, which makes them even less likely to get prioritized over Sword & Shield than before. Legends is the actual next major title, but it won't be ready until 2022, and I just do not see Sakurai pulling an entire batch of content from a game that'd potentially still be 2/3 of a year from its release when development on said content started.

Will probably get harder to gain support, though.

That's how it goes sadly: people just look at what comes in the near future and assume Sakurai has future sight to coinside a character with a relevant game release (even though Min Min & Pyra/Mythra's games were years old at the point of their announcements).

I'm also thinking about what the point was of featuring the sinnoh legendary pokemon in the Crown Tundra if the remakes were coming.

 

[Cosmic77]

Alas, people will completely gloss over Min Min and Pyra and go straight to Byleth. Most of the Pokémon talk will be about DP and Arceus from here on out, even though one is a remake of a game that has plenty of content and the other is a game that will likely focus on existing Pokémon (meaning that aside from the titular character and the starters, there won't be many Pokémon that people will associate with the game).

On the bright side, there really aren't many options left at this point besides Pokémon. ARMS, XC2, and 3H are covered. Odyssey and the orginal BotW have stages and plenty of tracks and Spirits. Splatoon 2 is possible, but would Nintendo care that much? Feels like Inklings cover both games plenty. There's also Star Allies, LM3, and ACNH, but...I sort of doubt it. Astral Chain and Ring Fit would've been worth keeping an eye on had Sakurai not randomly added Spirits several months after their game launched.

I know I've said it a gazillion times, but BotW2 is the only other game that I feel could compete for a spot. Really just depends on how far they've gotten in development. A late 2021/early 2022 release could be enough time for Sakurai if Nintendo really REALLY wanted a character.

 

[fogbadge]

I'm also thinking about what the point was of featuring the sinnoh legendary pokemon in the Crown Tundra if the remakes were coming.

fan service i think. you could also ask why give us the kanto legends when lets go came out just before sword and shield

Splatoon 2 is possible, but would Nintendo care that much? Feels like Inklings cover both games plenty.

i take youve not played spaltoon 2?

 

[Pokelego999]

That's how it goes sadly: people just look at what comes in the near future and assume Sakurai has future sight to coinside a character with a relevant game release (even though Min Min & Pyra/Mythra's games were years old at the point of their announcements).

I'm also thinking about what the point was of featuring the sinnoh legendary pokemon in the Crown Tundra if the remakes were coming.

CT featured all the legendaries because they are obliged to shoehorn them in once per generation now.