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Hello, it’s been a long time since I’ve been on smashboards.
As Smash Ultimate comes to a close, I want to say that it’s been a wild ride for this speculation cycle. I’ve talked to some of you guys for almost 4 years before Ultimate was even revealed, and its pretty cool to see it all come to a close.
I don’t really have any stakes for this last fighter, as I’m mostly sticking around for the ride at this point, but here’s hoping our big break comes at this last moment.
Thank you, both of you. I may not be in a leadership role around here anymore, but it means a lot to see you here again before the end.Hey there, just came by to drop a little good luck before the announcement.
From Lycanroc to Zacian/Zamazenta, your devotion to wolf-like Pokémon over the years of smash speculation is certainly respectable.
Hard to say whether his statement truly means something or not. It's probably meant first and foremost to say "Hype Responsibly" to an audience that keeps letting their hype grow out of control, and I don't know if we should read further than that.Sakurai shared a small hint about the final character.
Masahiro Sakurai: "Even if you don't play Smash Bros, and are just interested in gaming, I'd like to invite you to watch the broadcast. You may not know the new fighter, or it might be different from your personal expectations. BUT, we hope you enjoy this game show and the broadcast itself! I really enjoyed recording the broadcast."
So it seems like we were right about the last character not being someone HUGE. That being said, Sakurai said it was a character that we might not know about. This makes me question whether or not he'd say something like that for a Pokémon, considering how massive the franchise is. I'm leaning toward either a very niche third-party or a promotional first-party.
Nice pickup! Still hard to believe they chose Zacian as one of only three 'mons to have a V-Union promo. Alongside fandom giants Mewtwo and Greninja, no less!
Also that we only have music from the Original KH game. The best ones of course, but nothing from other titles. I was expecting at least from 1, 2 & 3. To be honest the lack of Disney doesn't bother me, as in recent games KH has become more and more independant from Disney & Final Fantasy.Don't have any strong connection to Kingdom Hearts, but I guess it's nice that they ended with a highly requested character. Ironically, the ballot meant for Smash 4 gave us a better final character in Ultimate than the former. That being said, the Disney universes are the best part of the game imo, and of course all Disney references were removed. We also didn't get any remixed tracks, which is another disappointing aspect. Looks like we're continuing the trend of SE characters being restricted to some degree.
Anywho, it wasn't Zacian. It wasn't Zamazenta. I knew it was a longshot as more and more characters got revealed, but it still stinks that 3H is the only game that launched after Ultimate to get a character on the roster (and this marks the second Smash game in a row where this happened to FE). Doesn't seem like Gen 8 will ever get proper representation in Smash unfortunately. I'm sure we'll be well into Gen 9 or 10 by the next Smash game.
Don't get too upset though. Even though we love both Smash and Pokémon, we can't use either franchise to judge the other. Smash will never have even a portion of the Pokémon that deserve to be in, and we shouldn't look at new Pokémon based on how likely we believe they are for Smash. Take a step back and appreciate Zacian, Zamazenta, and SwSh for what they are. Take your victories from that angle. We have the mascots for the first Gen to ever debut on a home console. Zacian ended up being a monster in competitive play. SwSh, despite months and months of some of the most toxic and continuous criticism of the games, went on to surpass every Pokémon game in sales since Gold and Silver.
In the end, while very disheartening, the lack of a Gen 8 Pokémon isn't the end of the world. We moved on from Gen 3 and Gen 5, and we'll eventually move on from this Gen as well. Look forward to new Pokémon games in the future, and when another Smash game gets announced, we can find a new Pokémon to throw our support behind.
I wouldn't beat myself too much over it. Despite what a majority of people would say, Pokémon are some of the hardest characters to support. One, because Sakurai almost never has enough time to process which Pokémon are most popular. Two, because there's almost never only one or two Pokémon that make sense; we're usually looking at several options that all make sense to some degree.
And so, here we are, left out in the cold again. Everything we saw will probably never be recognized or acknowledged. By the time the next Smash game comes around, the spotlight will have long passed--such is the fate of a franchise that cycles in new characters every few years. It always hurts, realizing all the effort you put into something no longer matters.
Whether Sakurai and the rest truly believed Sword & Shield didn't deserve a newcomer or simply because there were other priorities, we likely won't ever know for sure. Though I have a sinking feeling the former will be what spreads, used as leverage against anyone who supported any character from Galar. An unfortunate truth I've had to learn is that an uncomfortable number of people will latch onto bad faith arguments if it gives them someone to pick on. Keep your guards up for now, everyone--I wouldn't want to see it happen to you next.
So...what do we do now? There must be some way we can take the connections we've made here and put them to use instead of parting ways for good. I wouldn't want everything we've done here to end up meaningless.
Whichever form Smash 6 takes, it won't be able to one-up Ultimate's roster in scope. It'll need something that allows it to stand out and appeal to potential players on its own terms, whether that be its own newcomers, changes to returning veterans, new mechanics, new single-player content, or who knows what else. Building atop Ultimate just isn't feasible, so it'll need to focus on building alongside Ultimate, if that makes any sense.I do wonder how many years it'll be for a supposed new smash game.
In a way I kinda wish Ultimate was the last, cause where do you go from there?
- Port it over and add to it: I feel it'd be a nightmare to do licensing & time wise.
- Cut a lot of fighters, maybe half of it: Do they focus more on 1st parties or 3rd parties for newcomers & veterans? (either way many won't be happy).
I wouldn't mind discussing someday about the roster of pokemon characters for the next smash game.
There's so many directions it could take I feel there's a lot that can be discussed:
But of course it wouldn't be fleshed out until the next gen console is a thing.
- Which pokemon stay & which have to leave? I feel it wouldn't hurt to part ways with Jigglypuff for at least 1 game given how often I see people groan seeing Jigglypuff instead of another pokemon (and we know Sakurai had considered cutting Ness & Jigglypuff in the past).
- Is there hope for older gens to get a rep with enough popular demand or Sakurai looking over all the pokemon for a fun moveset idea?
- Will pokemon spin-offs finally get some love with a character, like Mystery Dungeon?
- For returning pokemon who could get a moveset overhaul?
- Will we ever get another Pokemon Trainer character and who would it be?
- What other pokemon stages could be added from unrepresented generations or spin-offs?
if nothing else the pair of them will probably come out of pokeballs. as for cuts, with the pokemon who can you cut? gen 1 gets special treatment and lucario and greninja were voted the two most popular. im not sure we'll see pichu again and for inceneroar its hard to say. though id be fine with him getting the boot. its a shame gen 8 by all accounts is gonna miss out as it had some great pokemon. though i didnt fancy any of their chances anywayI think the next Smash game will be like the first four — heavy emphasis on new content rather than bringing back old content. We'll probably get a ton of new stages and more newcomers than Ultimate's base roster.
I also think we'll see a lot of cuts, mostly from third-parties. The main reason why we were able to get so many third-parties in Ultimate is because the DLC was sold separately, and those sales what helped pay for those characters. But now? Paying for 18 or so third-party characters, getting all the legalities sorted out, and adding more on top of them? I don't think they could do it without eating a lot of the base game budget. Probably for the best if they use DLC spots for bringing back some third-parties.
Pokémon should be fine. Bare minimum, the Smash 4 roster should be here to stay (and the other two PT Pokémon). Pichu is a relatively easy character to make, but clones have been given less priority in the past. Could go either way. I can already tell Incineroar will be the Pokémon everyone predicts will be cut, but honestly, I think he's safe. Most of the previous cuts were clone characters, complicated characters, or characters with licensing issues. We don't have many examples of Sakurai outright cutting characters for being outdated.
As for new content, I think SwSh still has a chance to get a stage. If Gen 9 comes out in 2023, then Gen 10 might not debut until 2026 or 2027. Roughly eight to nine years after Ultimate launched. That's probably around the time we'll have a new console in our hands and a new Smash game in the works. It might not make it in time, in which case we might get stages for both Gen 8 and Gen 9 (Aside from the first game and Ultimate, every Smash game has had at least two new Pokémon stages). I highly doubt we'll ever be lucky enough to get two Pokémon newcomers, but on the off chance that we do, who knows? Maybe we'll see Sakurai go back to Galar.