The how to handle stupid moves thread! (REVIVAL! snake ftilt.)!)

[RT]

Lasers...you can crawl under them if they aren't grounded. You can slowly walk and shield/powershield/spotdoge them. You can airdodge them. Lucario doesn't have any move that can stop it other than attacking Falco. Be careful about silent lasers, because if you get hit with one, expect a usmash/grab/some other followup. If the Falco is mindlessly shooting lasers, you can usually throw an AS and hit them before they can react.

Oh, and don't DT them. The Falco will just run/Phantasm away and shoot some more. You accomplish basically nothing.

 

[phi1ny3]

^What exactly do you mean by "DT"ing them? o.O

 

[Mewter]

^What exactly do you mean by "DT"ing them? o.O

I think he means double team.

Have you ever played GunMaster Lombardi? He really is the gun master.
Anyways, the lasers make it really hard to attack Falco. Go by land and not air (since grounded blasts are slower), unless you feel like airdodging a heck of a lot and getting slowed down a ton.
When you can, (safely) charge an aura a full sphere and shoot one at him to stun him and stop his lasers for a bit, which disrupts his rhythm, but don't make it predictable, or you'll eat your own attack. Also, try to trick him into using his shine a bit more, so that the approach will be a lot more simple.

If the Falco is really bad, though, then you can just airdodge your way over to him. No problems.

 

[phi1ny3]

Oh, I know what he means by "DT", but in what application? I sometimes like to RDT them (not a lot, otherwise it gets predictable) to close space (but not necessarily approach), it will usually get me within SH distance of falco, which is a pretty good distance even if he phantasms. Regular DT though is awful, as is doing it too close to him.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Lasers...you can crawl under them if they aren't grounded. You can slowly walk and shield/powershield/spotdoge them. You can airdodge them. Lucario doesn't have any move that can stop it other than attacking Falco. Be careful about silent lasers, because if you get hit with one, expect a usmash/grab/some other followup. If the Falco is mindlessly shooting lasers, you can usually throw an AS and hit them before they can react.

Oh, and don't DT them. The Falco will just run/Phantasm away and shoot some more. You accomplish basically nothing.

Actually from what I understand, Silent Lasers will poke Lucario in the head so crawling isn't as effective.

 

[RT]

I'm pretty sure that regular and silent both hit him. Lucario's crawl is meh.

 

[Aurasmash14]

Yes it is meh, but at the very least he can still move a little bit under those SHDLs..... *sigh* if only our crawl was lower than Pika's..... anyways the reason for approaching would be to catch Falco when he tries to escape with the phantasm.




Oh yes and i dont only mean approaching. i mean EVERYTHING about falco's laser. lasers for gimps, guardbreaks, etc. and we will discuss how to get around them.

 

[iRJi]

>_>... Your kidding right? Perfect shield them... If he Phantasms though you Shoot an AS the opposite direction... For gimping, don't suck >_>

 

[RT]

Falco can shield the Aura Sphere after Phantasm. Gimping Falco...unless he doesn't know what to do, then yeah, it won't happen very often...

 

[Mewter]

Falco can shield the Aura Sphere after Phantasm. Gimping Falco...unless he doesn't know what to do, then yeah, it won't happen very often...

Just make him waste his double jump by shooting aura spheres at him. They're sure to annoy him and make him lose some height. Using his reflector probably won't help him much either, since he'll drop too far while it's out.
Don't bother, though, if you didn't knock him too far offstage.

If he's using lasers to gimp you, then you'll have to drop under them and ES to the ledge.

 

[phi1ny3]

You really have to read falco well to gimp, and I mean like know the player habits practically. It's not as easy as it used to be.

 

[RT]

That's what I was implying. You can gimp Falco, but...it's really not easy.

 

[D. Disciple]

I'm pretty sure that regular and silent both hit him. Lucario's crawl is meh.

Silent ones wont hit him if you crawl. You can actually crawl under the lasers and dtilt Falco if he phantasm

 

[Aurasmash14]

>_>... Your kidding right? Perfect shield them... If he Phantasms though you Shoot an AS the opposite direction... For gimping, don't suck >_>

umm... Its not as easy as it sounds... for me. I have to go straight to jab to kill the phantasm. oh and i meant if Your the one getting gimped.

 

[phi1ny3]

Dtilt can has usefulness in MU?
Also, we should get back to lasers.

 

[Aurasmash14]

yes yes phil is right. we are getting off topic. ok so how do we handle getting lasered off stage? how do we handle retaliatory lasers when falco is offstage? lets discuss.

 

[HyperEnergy]

First and foremost, don't waste your second jump when you're trying to recover. Save it for when Falco's lasers won't hit you.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

I usually just jump over the laser to get to him.

Mostly since Falco can't compete in the air against Lucario, except maybe Dair and Bair.

I need to fight better Falco's, that and improve my own Falco so I can speak from both sides of this.

 

[Aurasmash14]

I usually just jump over the laser to get to him.

Mostly since Falco can't compete in the air against Lucario, except maybe Dair and Bair.

I need to fight better Falco's, that and improve my own Falco so I can speak from both sides of this.

isnt that asking for a bair? usually i hate being forced to do a certain action in a match, especially since it gets waaay to predictable.

 

[Aurasmash14]

a bump for my thread, let's start voting on the next move.

 

[ckm]

snake ftilt

 

[F1ZZ]

My vote goes to the most broken projectile, bananas.

 

[Aurasmash14]

Well since i got berated a lot for putting in lasers T_T, im stopping it NOW. we can move on with voting. (ill will update the OP when I get rid of school work. )

 

[F1ZZ]

Okay so what move are we ging to be discussing next?

 

[tedward2000]

BANANANANANANANANANAS
Go
-t2

 

[Kitamerby]

BANANANANANANANANANAS
Go
-t2

Aura Sphere when they throw. Fair trade imo.

 

[tedward2000]

Aura Sphere when they throw. Fair trade imo.

Heh, all of that rhymed too. Good job.
-t2

 

[Alus]

Aura Sphere when they throw. Fair trade imo.

Mascot icon... check...

Rhyming... check...


We have a Lucario cheerleader!!

 

[F1ZZ]

Okay so know the Lucario boards have cheerleaders? Also I have never played a Diddy so I have no experience with this move.

Whats next a Lucario band?

 

[Aurasmash14]

Well we have a theme song and a dance, we might as well get a cheerleader. Go Lucario Go! oh and fine. we go with bananas. GO!

 

[RT]

Bananas: z-catch/z-drop them, it's a bad idea to throw it back to the Diddy 95% of the time, throw them straight down for teh mindgames, powershielding them can trip you sometimes, you can glidetoss them into various moves, you can catch them with aerials, and if you can't think of anything useful to do with them, just throw them off the stage/far away.

 

[manhunter098]

Unless you know you are going to trip him up, dont throw them at him. As rockettrainer said throw them down or away from diddy, then it becomes a game of take the bananas back from Lucario's control and that is a game that Lucario can certainly play well as opposed to fighting a Diddy who has his bananas.

I would say you should never throw them off the stage though since that essentially just gives them back to Diddy, although a little bit more slowly than if you were to just throw them back at him. Keep them on the stage and away from Diddy, that is your best bet.

 

[culexus・wau]

Sometimes you'll get lucky and dash attack will grab the bananas if they are thrown at you.

Its not something you should rely on though.

 

[RT]

You can just jab to grab thrown bananas. But since Lucario has a slow jab, it's hard to time.

 

[culexus・wau]

Just Remember, even though Lucario's Forward Glidetoss is nonexistent he still has a Jump Cancel Toss ;3

[speaking of item moves I suggest we do turnips after this <.<]

 

[Ilucamy]

Main thing is don't get frustrated (I do, that's why I know) SHFair is a good way to catch them. It has less lag than dash attack and gets you into the air. Once you grab them, throw them away from diddy or drop them on the end of the stage (straight up if you can keep track of them)

banana -> AS
banana -> F-smash
If you're willing to try. It's avoidable even if they get hit with the banana, but you might get it in once or twice O.o

There's some aerial ASC cancel tech that works with projectiles items. Don't remember where to find it though.

 

[Alus]

I wouldn't know to well because I prefer not to try to trifle with diddy's projectile, but it seems to me that AS could work well if the banana hit just at the right distance [not right in front of lucario, but close enough to tech chase with AS.]

And F-smash seems to never work, but that is a estimate.

 

[HyperEnergy]

So yeah, did you guys know you can glidetoss in the air?

Catch bananas with an air dodge then use the c-stick to throw it again almost immediately. It's the fastest way to throw an item after catching it and thus is difficult to react to.

I use it all the time against Snake and Diddy. And I've seen ADHD do this as well.

 

[D. Disciple]

Yeah I knew this for awhile, Kel has a video of him doing it.

 

[Aurasmash14]

Yay thread is active again ^_^. On the subject of updating the OP., I just havent found time to update the thread. If someone could help, that would be cool. if not, still ok. it just might take longer lol.