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The Fox Video & Critique Thread - READ OP.
- Thread starter KillerJawz
- Start date
JNB328522
Smash Apprentice
since these are snake vid I want to ask is nair to uptilt behind snake the best way to deal with the snake's crawl
TKD
Smash Lord
You can move around and not commit. Because of the space between both characters, he always has to act at some point. So just bait actions and only get inside if the opponent's shy or you find it to be appropriate.
4Biddin
Smash Journeyman
TKD
Smash Lord
edited post out
crifer
Smash Lord
I highly doubt it's a 50/50 match-up. Tlako still made a couple of mistakes in my opinion. He never used bair to interrupt TKD's shine stalling even though Snakes bair is pretty safe in full air.
Conviction
Human Nature
wtf is this guys XD Trust me it is 50/50.
Conviction
Human Nature
Oh holy cow he went there.Yeah let's trust one of the most biased poster on the boards...
Had to it -.-
But seriously, every post of yours glorifies Fox or [insert legit Fox player]. It's hard to take stuff you say at face value. Especially things like "trust me".
Good you didn't take it personally though.
But seriously, every post of yours glorifies Fox or [insert legit Fox player]. It's hard to take stuff you say at face value. Especially things like "trust me".
Good you didn't take it personally though.
Conviction
Human Nature
Eh people are gonna call me what they like. I just have to prove myself until yea I will have to agree with you on this. Just wish I could go OoS.Had to it -.-
But seriously, every post of yours glorifies Fox or [insert legit Fox player]. It's hard to take stuff you say at face value. Especially things like "trust me".
Good you didn't take it personally though.
4Biddin
Smash Journeyman
Its def 50/50yeah its not 50/50. snake has too much going for him atm
Snake
-Nade game can be by laser neturalized
-Fox is fast enough to take advantage of uncooked nades
-Gets out camped
-Fresh Usmash factors out snakes broken DI
Fox
-Gets owned in CQC
-Snakes Utilt gets earlier kills
-Fox has to be very evasive
-Easily baits snake in the air
Based off these pro's and con's it comes down to 50/50 it can go either way.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Well, either way, you didn't really make your case here...
If you feel like we need a re-working of the matchup that's fine. I believe it's 50/50, but I haven't played any real world-class Snakes either.
crifer
Smash Lord
TKD
Smash Lord
/\ Each set was from a different event
Snake has to air jump to reach an opponent quickly. His initial hop start-up is so big that you can watch Snake prepare his air-jump by initiating a hop from the ground (be it full or short). Fox is able to punish the aerials because of his great falling speed. And it's not cool for Snake to perform an aerial just to be fast-fall air-dodged and usmash KOed during cool-down. And umm Snake's aerials aren't really "safe" in most match-ups.
Oh and Snake has to give his back to the opponent before performing bair. Obvious much?
Snake has to air jump to reach an opponent quickly. His initial hop start-up is so big that you can watch Snake prepare his air-jump by initiating a hop from the ground (be it full or short). Fox is able to punish the aerials because of his great falling speed. And it's not cool for Snake to perform an aerial just to be fast-fall air-dodged and usmash KOed during cool-down. And umm Snake's aerials aren't really "safe" in most match-ups.
Oh and Snake has to give his back to the opponent before performing bair. Obvious much?
Conviction
Human Nature
wtf...got any frame data behind that? (idk if my joke meter has broken)
TKD
Smash Lord
fox has grab release sideb against everything
Conviction
Human Nature
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I must be really tired if I have to think about this one.
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I must be really tired if I have to think about this one.
Lightning93
Smash Champion
^Make it look at least convincing.
For example take the text below this post:
For example take the text below this post:
Toronto Joe
Smash Master
even if it worked why in gods name would you want to do that lmao
Lightning93
Smash Champion
Lol. This thread is a mess... NKB! Where are yooouu?
Zephil
Smash Ace
Here some videos of last week against Olimar and G&W. I seriously need help in both matchups.
VS Olimar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYY9dS_wYH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUBJ8CZ58D4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRdyUTUrrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-yU0Dm2Ajw
VS G&W
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NsO2cyiG9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C64deVQQsfs
VS Olimar
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYY9dS_wYH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUBJ8CZ58D4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGRdyUTUrrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-yU0Dm2Ajw
VS G&W
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NsO2cyiG9I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C64deVQQsfs
luke_atyeo
Smash Hero
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heres some vids of my fox in the losers final of a tourney I went to on the weekend, you guys have never heard of me since I'm from australia but I'm going to be posting more and more and make a bit of a name for myself if I can, first things first though I need some critqueing please, be as harsh and brutal as you want <3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqj_CxDWeJE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NlKEQ4bcYw
only had 2 since I used snake in the other matches, also it might only be against a link, but scabes link is amazing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqj_CxDWeJE&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NlKEQ4bcYw
only had 2 since I used snake in the other matches, also it might only be against a link, but scabes link is amazing.
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
Greetings, Fox boards. I almost never hang around here, but I thought it'd be a good opportunity to pass by this time. I've been a Falco main since the beginning, but ever since March, I picked up Fox to play doubles because he's a much more useful character than Falco in that aspect (being faster, more powerful and having a better recovery). This sunday, we had a mini tournament in Portugal, and I lost winners finals as Falco to NatP's GaW. When I got to grand finals, I thought it'd be an interesting experience to pick Fox in singles to see if I somehow do any better (although NatP picked DK to have a mid-tier only GF's with me xD).
Only those two rounds are worth watching. It's my first time playing Fox in a singles' tournament, and I know my Fox is a bit of a mess. I just want to know what I can do to improve my Fox game, because I'm really considering using him more in singles in the future. =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eykCW2olgG0 --> King Funk (Fox) vs NatP (DK) GF's 2&3
EDIT: don't ask me why I fell for the stupid trap at the end of round 2. xD
I wondered though, do you think it would have been possible for me to DI to the left and tech on the wall from DK's d-smash?
Only those two rounds are worth watching. It's my first time playing Fox in a singles' tournament, and I know my Fox is a bit of a mess. I just want to know what I can do to improve my Fox game, because I'm really considering using him more in singles in the future. =)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eykCW2olgG0 --> King Funk (Fox) vs NatP (DK) GF's 2&3
EDIT: don't ask me why I fell for the stupid trap at the end of round 2. xD
I wondered though, do you think it would have been possible for me to DI to the left and tech on the wall from DK's d-smash?
ok... king funk i did a really long critique... then navigated away form the page by accident... ill do it again later... sorry but im really pissed off right now
im going to do a video critique now... it's just easier. ill post it within the next hour
im going to do a video critique now... it's just easier. ill post it within the next hour
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
KillerJawz
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Guys I have added a rules section to the OP which I will paste here as well:
When posting a video, or a group of videos, I would like you to follow a certain format
If you wish to post a video(s) asking for a critique, please do the following:
Say that the video is a critique
Say if you wish for the video to be added to the original post
If you wish to post a video(s) for the original post please do the following:
Say that the video is for the original post
Say that the video is NOT to be critiqued
State who your opponent is, what character they played AND DATE THE VIDEO (if they are in a set, simply date the first one)
Many thanks.
When posting a video, or a group of videos, I would like you to follow a certain format
If you wish to post a video(s) asking for a critique, please do the following:
Say that the video is a critique
Say if you wish for the video to be added to the original post
If you wish to post a video(s) for the original post please do the following:
Say that the video is for the original post
Say that the video is NOT to be critiqued
State who your opponent is, what character they played AND DATE THE VIDEO (if they are in a set, simply date the first one)
Many thanks.
i changed my mind again, im jut gonna re-write it
0:17 You did stuff like this a lot throughout. You jumped back onstage nearly into DK and started fire fox... there is pretty much no reason to ever use firefox above the stage, you should really only ever use it for recovering from below. Your best bet would have been to air dodge because DK gets a lot of lag from Fair that you could have easily punished.
0:57-1:04 you used illusion to try and get over DK, theres way to much lag on illusion for that to work well, plus you illusion OVER him you should have atleast gone through him. as a result you were punished and thrown offstage. Then... this looked like an accident (looked like you missed the ledge) but for future reference NEVER and i repeat NEVER use illusion or firefox to recover to the middle of the stage you WILL be punished and at high percents you WILL be killed it's the single-handedly most predictable thing to do, recovering from the ledge gives you more time and more options.
1:12 you followed up from Dthrow... im sure many fox mains will disagree with me on this but for your own sake don't follow up from Dthrow especially if you have done so earlier in the match. everyone knows Dthrow is fox's best throw and everyone knows that you will try to combo out of it. the DK had learned from you doing so earlier and as a result he knew you were coming. Personally i will only follow up if im playing super aggressive and if im playing a certain match-up. what i recommend doing and what i do most of the time is to either use full hop lasers (with proper timing you can land all 4) or a shield grab (this can be used for a psuedo chaingrab, if you know your opponent will attack you... used a shield grab and dthrow again if they attack again you got yourself another throw, trust me it works)
1:58 you were punished and killed for what i stated above.
2:25 i know you said don't ask about this but seriously, he was a wall infinite and he's in position and waiting for you, You have a wall infinite and your in a terrible position and are extremely predictable at that state. You should have never considered going down there, you mindset was probably to punish the lag of the Taunt but DK was waiting and knew exactly what you were planning. NEVER fall into traps.
Second Match
4:04... Bair where you at son?
4:15 you got lucky don't ever use firefox above stage you will get punished, you best bet was to just fall and maybe illusion to the far platform.
4:24 that was great predicting seriously sucked that you messed up the Usmash
4:30 was awesome... nice kill
4:36 WOAH WOAH WOAH slow down there champion... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AVIjWu_2No nuff said watch it and learn. (im just referring to the fact you could have illusioned more than once.
second stock overall was really good, only you started getting stupidly predictable with that Usmash so watch out for that.
5:55 you did it again DON'T use firefox above stage!
overall
Not bad you can get pretty sloppy here and there but you have good spacing and you pulled off some nice combos, stop using fire fox above stage for crying out loud.
More short hopped auto cancelled fair would really help you and work on your SHDLs some more, just work on getting that second laser silent trust me it's easier that it may seem.
0:17 You did stuff like this a lot throughout. You jumped back onstage nearly into DK and started fire fox... there is pretty much no reason to ever use firefox above the stage, you should really only ever use it for recovering from below. Your best bet would have been to air dodge because DK gets a lot of lag from Fair that you could have easily punished.
0:57-1:04 you used illusion to try and get over DK, theres way to much lag on illusion for that to work well, plus you illusion OVER him you should have atleast gone through him. as a result you were punished and thrown offstage. Then... this looked like an accident (looked like you missed the ledge) but for future reference NEVER and i repeat NEVER use illusion or firefox to recover to the middle of the stage you WILL be punished and at high percents you WILL be killed it's the single-handedly most predictable thing to do, recovering from the ledge gives you more time and more options.
1:12 you followed up from Dthrow... im sure many fox mains will disagree with me on this but for your own sake don't follow up from Dthrow especially if you have done so earlier in the match. everyone knows Dthrow is fox's best throw and everyone knows that you will try to combo out of it. the DK had learned from you doing so earlier and as a result he knew you were coming. Personally i will only follow up if im playing super aggressive and if im playing a certain match-up. what i recommend doing and what i do most of the time is to either use full hop lasers (with proper timing you can land all 4) or a shield grab (this can be used for a psuedo chaingrab, if you know your opponent will attack you... used a shield grab and dthrow again if they attack again you got yourself another throw, trust me it works)
1:58 you were punished and killed for what i stated above.
2:25 i know you said don't ask about this but seriously, he was a wall infinite and he's in position and waiting for you, You have a wall infinite and your in a terrible position and are extremely predictable at that state. You should have never considered going down there, you mindset was probably to punish the lag of the Taunt but DK was waiting and knew exactly what you were planning. NEVER fall into traps.
Second Match
4:04... Bair where you at son?
4:15 you got lucky don't ever use firefox above stage you will get punished, you best bet was to just fall and maybe illusion to the far platform.
4:24 that was great predicting seriously sucked that you messed up the Usmash
4:30 was awesome... nice kill
4:36 WOAH WOAH WOAH slow down there champion... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AVIjWu_2No nuff said watch it and learn. (im just referring to the fact you could have illusioned more than once.
second stock overall was really good, only you started getting stupidly predictable with that Usmash so watch out for that.
5:55 you did it again DON'T use firefox above stage!
overall
Not bad you can get pretty sloppy here and there but you have good spacing and you pulled off some nice combos, stop using fire fox above stage for crying out loud.
More short hopped auto cancelled fair would really help you and work on your SHDLs some more, just work on getting that second laser silent trust me it's easier that it may seem.
King Funk
Int. Croc. Alligator
Thank you very much. This helped a lot. ^^
For now there are also the other matches from Grand Finals (which I actually ended up winning 3-1 3-0). I won't bother you with that, although there was one really nice moment in the sets.
But I'll definitely try and get more videos of my Fox on other matchups.
Thanks again. =)
For now there are also the other matches from Grand Finals (which I actually ended up winning 3-1 3-0). I won't bother you with that, although there was one really nice moment in the sets.
But I'll definitely try and get more videos of my Fox on other matchups.
Thanks again. =)
crifer
Smash Lord
@ king funk:
use less dair and way more fair, especially against DK.
fair ***** big characters. (I know what I´m talking about, I main DK, too.).
Camp more patient and wait for his approach and punish it.
DK should bair a lot which you can beat on reaction, because either he has to turn around or your aerials come out faster.
use less dair and way more fair, especially against DK.
fair ***** big characters. (I know what I´m talking about, I main DK, too.).
Camp more patient and wait for his approach and punish it.
DK should bair a lot which you can beat on reaction, because either he has to turn around or your aerials come out faster.
luke_atyeo
Smash Hero
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how about me guys?luke, im critiquing the second video because it's on a stage you'll be playing on more often.
Note ill giving giving more general tips as im not adept in the link match up
0:10- 0:35 you were trying to approach him... don't, if he's camping you camp harder, you should be more mobile using short hopped lasers and full hopped wouldn't be so bad either.
later on in the match you began playing much more aggressively, that's exactly what you should do. just keep in mind that if lasers won't work, not letting your opponent regain stage control is what you should begin doing.
actually being honest i didn't see any other major mistakes or things you did wrong... ill watch it a few more times to be sure i didn't miss anything
2:57 you used Utilt at high percents out of Dair... ehhh im kinda iffy about that, you would have had more success with a JJC>shine/Dair combo. Pretty much stop using Utilt after 70% and start using it again around 170% when it kills (if you're desperate)
4:02 i have no clue what that was but i like it.
Overall i think you played the match fairly well as i couldn't exactly point out any fatal errors however there are some elements of Fox that need improvement. Your laser game is fairly weak, i noticed that second laser was either too high or didn't come out about 60% of the time. You need more Short hopped auto canceled Fair, and Short hopped Dair
i like that you string two Dthrows together with a shield grab and that funky Jab>Ftilt pressure you do.
i seriously can't tell if you played the match really well or i did a terrible critique
Note ill giving giving more general tips as im not adept in the link match up
0:10- 0:35 you were trying to approach him... don't, if he's camping you camp harder, you should be more mobile using short hopped lasers and full hopped wouldn't be so bad either.
later on in the match you began playing much more aggressively, that's exactly what you should do. just keep in mind that if lasers won't work, not letting your opponent regain stage control is what you should begin doing.
actually being honest i didn't see any other major mistakes or things you did wrong... ill watch it a few more times to be sure i didn't miss anything
2:57 you used Utilt at high percents out of Dair... ehhh im kinda iffy about that, you would have had more success with a JJC>shine/Dair combo. Pretty much stop using Utilt after 70% and start using it again around 170% when it kills (if you're desperate)
4:02 i have no clue what that was but i like it.
Overall i think you played the match fairly well as i couldn't exactly point out any fatal errors however there are some elements of Fox that need improvement. Your laser game is fairly weak, i noticed that second laser was either too high or didn't come out about 60% of the time. You need more Short hopped auto canceled Fair, and Short hopped Dair
i like that you string two Dthrows together with a shield grab and that funky Jab>Ftilt pressure you do.
i seriously can't tell if you played the match really well or i did a terrible critique
luke_atyeo
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hmm well thanks anyways dude cririquing can be pretty hard, I'm pretty bad at it lol.
I think you nailed the laser part, my laser game is pretty bad.
so I'm doing the second laser too high? do I want to be silent lasering for the second hit ideally?
I wouldnt say I player REALLY well, but I am a top player in aus (yeah... we're bad) and probably the best fox. (read: only fox)
I use utilt at higher percents to try chain into an uair since I try not to rely on usmash too much, but I agree that its not really a good idea.
as for the dthrows, I knew he expected a fair followup, and would zair me out of it so I just kept regrabbing until he caught on, which he didnt.
as for the stage, I picked fd because I knew I could outcamp him, but I picked picto earlier in the set because I prefer that for camping since its bigger and the ledges dont screw you over as much for recovering, but would you say that fd is a much better choice then picto for fox?
anyways, thanks for the time man.
I think you nailed the laser part, my laser game is pretty bad.
so I'm doing the second laser too high? do I want to be silent lasering for the second hit ideally?
I wouldnt say I player REALLY well, but I am a top player in aus (yeah... we're bad) and probably the best fox. (read: only fox)
I use utilt at higher percents to try chain into an uair since I try not to rely on usmash too much, but I agree that its not really a good idea.
as for the dthrows, I knew he expected a fair followup, and would zair me out of it so I just kept regrabbing until he caught on, which he didnt.
as for the stage, I picked fd because I knew I could outcamp him, but I picked picto earlier in the set because I prefer that for camping since its bigger and the ledges dont screw you over as much for recovering, but would you say that fd is a much better choice then picto for fox?
anyways, thanks for the time man.
NeverKnowsBest
Monochrome Like A Panda
Hey KJ, thanks for taking over this thread. I essentially got way to lazy to do anything with it
=3
KJ da bess!
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KJ da bess!
KillerJawz
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It's no problem, when I saw that the thread had not been updated for almost a year I had to step in.
If at any point you wish to reclaim ownership simply ask and we'll update it together.
If at any point you wish to reclaim ownership simply ask and we'll update it together.