The First Party general support thread

[YoshiandToad]

Is this the part where I mention we never got a Three Houses Spirit Event, or does that not matter?

By all means you can. Any discussion is welcome.

We also didn't get a Luigi's Mansion 3 or Pokemon Mystery Dungeon DX event yet whilst we're adding to the first party games that oddly haven't recieved one. That said, we did get an Age of Calamity one a few months after the game released, so I'm not ready to rule out us getting a Mario 3D World + Bowser's Fury event later down the line.

 

[fogbadge]

Maybe attention or marketing would be a better term in this case then?

Admittedly I don't know much about Dragalia Lost aside from it's pulling decent numbers considering it didn't really have a big name franchise attached to it, easily trouncing Dr. Mario World and Super Mario Run. Last I checked it was still behind Heroes, Animal Crossing Pocket Camp and Mario Kart Tour(in that order) but Euden's done surprisingly well.

I am surprised we haven't at least seen a spirit event for it if nothing else.

Is this the part where I mention we never got a Three Houses Spirit Event, or does that not matter?

Thing is there’s barely any content from mobile games in smash. Just one song. Not even anything from Pokemon go and TPC were pushing it hard

 

[Otoad64]

Is this the part where I mention we never got a Three Houses Spirit Event, or does that not matter?

that's cause of

 

[Perkilator]

that's cause of

And, if Euden got in, the lack of Spirit Event would be because of that.

 

[Otoad64]

And, if Euden got in, the lack of Spirit Event would be because of that.

oh, I think I must've misunderstood the post

 

[Starlight Liger]

I don't think Porky has anywhere near the same level of fan demand that made Banjo stand out to Nintendo.

Of course, but Banjo and Kazooie were third party characters that were owned by Microsoft. They didn't have to add them in but they did because the Banjo and Kazooie brand still had value.

Porky would make for an interesting fighter.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Porky would make for an interesting fighter.

Nintendo isn't picking characters because of whether or not they would be interesting fighters.

 

[Starlight Liger]

Nintendo isn't picking characters because of whether or not they would be interesting fighters.

I'm obviously aware of that, I don't get the point you're trying to make.

 

[Dinoman96]

Do keep in mind that Banjo-Kazooie were more than likely byproducts of the five year negotiations to get Steve/Minecraft in Smash, which was probably always the real prize in Nintendo's eyes. They just also decided to get Banjo out of it, due to excessive fan demand and also Phil Spencer himself gunning for it.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm obviously aware of that, I don't get the point you're trying to make.

Well I don't know what point you're trying to make. Banjo was able to get in because of overwhelming fan demand combined with being owned a company that still reminds us plenty of their existence. Porky has neither.

 

[Mamboo07]

If I made a 6th Smash game, here's who I would add in as newcomers:

Spoiler: First Party Newcomers

Mario

• Waluigi
• King Boo
• Geno/Mallow
• Midbus (Bowser Echo)

Donkey Kong

• Dixie Kong
• Cranky Kong
• Tiny/Lanky/Chunky (Like a 2nd Pokemon Trainer)
• Kritter
• Lord Fredrik (K. Rool Echo)

Legend of Zelda

• Skull Kid
• Minda & Wolf Link
• Impa (Age of Calamity incarnation)
• Ganon (The blue pig incarnation)

Metroid

• Kraid (the small fake version)
• Mother Brain
• Sylux

Yoshi

• Poochy
• Kamek

Kirby

• Bandana Dee
• Adeleine & Ribbon
• Gooey
• Galacta Knight
• Dark Matter
• King D-Mind (Dedede Echo)

Star Fox

• Krystal
• Andross
• General Scales

Pokemon

• Sceptile (Gen 3 rep)
• Genesect (Gen 5 rep)
• Toxtricity (Gen 8 rep)
• Raichu (Pikachu Echo)

Earthbound

• Porky
• Gigue

F-ZERO

• Black Shadow
• Blood Falcon (Captain Falcon Echo)

Fire Emblem

• Hector
• Lyn
• Black Knight (Ike Echo)

Kid Icarus

• Hades
• Medusa (Palutena Echo)

Wario

• Captain Syrup
• The Shake King

Pikmin

• Titan Dweevil
• Plasm Wraith

Animal Crossing

• Tom Nook

Wii Fit

• Wii Balance Board

Punch-Out!

• Dr. Louis

Mii Fighters

• Mage (Magic attacks)
• Hammer (Wields a hammer like Dedede)
• Gamer (Fights with Nintendo consoles)
• Athlete (Uses sports equipment)

Xenoblade

• Elma

Splatoon

• DJ Octavio
• Octoling

ARMS

• Helix

 

[Starlight Liger]

Do keep in mind that Banjo-Kazooie were more than likely byproducts of the five year negotiations to get Steve/Minecraft in Smash, which was probably always the real prize in Nintendo's eyes. They just also decided to get Banjo out of it, due to excessive fan demand and also Phil Spencer himself gunning for it.

True, there was also the Smash character ballot that worked in Banjo and Kazooie's favour.

Well I don't know what point you're trying to make. Banjo was able to get in because of overwhelming fan demand combined with being owned a company that still reminds us plenty of their existence. Porky has neither.

Porky is an Earthbound character and Nintendo still clearly profits from the Earthbound brand. You're acting as if Earthbound character no longer have any monetary value.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Porky is an Earthbound character and Nintendo still clearly profits from the Earthbound brand. You're acting as if Earthbound character no longer have any monetary value.

But if they're going for a more niche Nintendo pick, why not go for someone whose demand wasn't a fad from when we thought Nintendo was going to put in any first-party without a spirit?

 

[Dinoman96]

But if they're going for a more niche Nintendo pick, why not go for someone whose demand wasn't a fad from when we thought Nintendo was going to put in any first-party without a spirit?

RIP Sylux, Adeleine, and Poochy

 

[Among Waddle Dees]

RIP Sylux, Adeleine, and Poochy

Pretty certain demand for Adeleine was at an all time high more than once, though.

Granted, the other times were mostly for her home franchise, but that's not the point.

 

[Otoad64]

Nintendo isn't picking characters because of whether or not they would be interesting fighters.

they're just saying they would be interesting, they never said it had anything to do with Porky's chances

 

[Deleted member]

At this point I have the feeling that, if we're going to get any more 1st-party characters in Ultimate, it's gonna be with an Echo Fighters Pass.

These 4 are my picks for an Echo Fighters Pass. #SmashBros #SmashBrosUltimate #NintendoSwitch pic.twitter.com/edGysFwhFl

— Pre-order Metroid Prime 4: Beyond (@FinalSmashGamer) March 7, 2021

 

[Starlight Liger]

At this point I have the feeling that, if we're going to get any more 1st-party characters in Ultimate, it's gonna be with an Echo Fighters Pass.

These 4 are my picks for an Echo Fighters Pass. #SmashBros #SmashBrosUltimate #NintendoSwitch pic.twitter.com/edGysFwhFl

— Pre-order Metroid Prime 4: Beyond (@FinalSmashGamer) March 7, 2021

Unless the echo fighters are going to be cheaper than the usual fighter's pass, I don't see this happening.

 

[Oracle Link]

I made a Thought Experiment once what if Dragonball was made during Nes Times as a popular Nintendo Franchise

But i was Dumb and put it in Ultimate Disscusion (although i think Ignoranca Had a part in it because he said goku will never be in smash which i didnt even suggest in this Thread) Hmm i dont know if this would be an Interesting Theme

Also on a more related note if Bandana dee gets in should he have a regular Waddle Dee/Doo alt or not?

 

[Otoad64]

I made a Thought Experiment once what if Dragonball was made during Nes Times as a popular Nintendo Franchise

But i was Dumb and put it in Ultimate Disscusion (although i think Ignoranca Had a part in it because he said goku will never be in smash which i didnt even suggest in this Thread) Hmm i dont know if this would be an Interesting Theme

Also on a more related note if Bandana dee gets in should he have a regular Waddle Dee/Doo alt or not?

he shouldn't imo

 

[fogbadge]

I made a Thought Experiment once what if Dragonball was made during Nes Times as a popular Nintendo Franchise

But i was Dumb and put it in Ultimate Disscusion (although i think Ignoranca Had a part in it because he said goku will never be in smash which i didnt even suggest in this Thread) Hmm i dont know if this would be an Interesting Theme

Also on a more related note if Bandana dee gets in should he have a regular Waddle Dee/Doo alt or not?

well a waddle doo wouldnt really make sense

 

[Oracle Link]

well a waddle doo wouldnt really make sense

he shouldn't imo

Yeah i guess it dimminishes his unique Status but lets be honest we already got dark link and koopalings in so its just a way to add more chars
im also only speaking of 6 Banda slots and 1 Wd slot and 1 Doo Slot
I do hope you would like him to have a Beam wand and a Parasol tho (the Beam wand is why i wanted to add a doo)
How about Shadow/mirror/paralell skins for dedede kirby and BWD they would be nice right?

 

[fogbadge]

Yeah i guess it dimminishes his unique Status but lets be honest we already got dark link and koopalings in so its just a way to add more chars
im also only speaking of 6 Banda slots and 1 Wd slot and 1 Doo Slot
I do hope you would like him to have a Beam wand and a Parasol tho (the Beam wand is why i wanted to add a doo)
How about Shadow/mirror/paralell skins for dedede kirby and BWD they would be nice right?

Well dark link was never really a character so it’s not the same. I just don’t think it’d feel right to have a waddle do without a beam attack.

 

[Oracle Link]

Maybe you overlooked it!
I do hope you would like him (BWD) to have a Beam wand and a Parasol too (the Beam wand is why i wanted to add a doo)

 

[fogbadge]

Maybe you overlooked it!
I do hope you would like him (BWD) to have a Beam wand and a Parasol too (the Beam wand is why i wanted to add a doo)

but giving bandana dee a beam wand doesnt make any sense.

 

[DynoStretch]

I think if we're going to get a first party at this point it's gonna be a Pokemon, given the anniversary and the three new games coming out this year (Snap, D/P, and Legends). You know Nintendo would want to promote the games with a new Smash rep.

Who it would be is a good question, I suppose it depends on if Nintendo has a specific choice or if they'll just leave it to Sakurai to choose. Hoping on the latter since I imagine he'd come up with a really fun but recognizable choice.

My personal favorite choice is Dracovish from Sword/Shield. It's pretty popular among the fandom, it has a very unique design and it's battle style would focus around kicking and biting.

Garchomp is another hugely popular Pokemon in the fandom, and with D/P's remakes on the horizon it would be a nice promotion.

I'm just hoping it isn't anything safe like a Galar starter or Urshifu. I can't see Cinderace's fireball-kicking to be anything but awkward to use, and I can't see Urshifu as anything but Bear-Ryu or Bear-Ken.

 

[silenthunder]

Ayumi Tachibana got some votes in my poll recently despite not being on the top 33 initially shown that I can fit.

 

[RileyXY1]

I think if we're going to get a first party at this point it's gonna be a Pokemon, given the anniversary and the three new games coming out this year (Snap, D/P, and Legends). You know Nintendo would want to promote the games with a new Smash rep.

Who it would be is a good question, I suppose it depends on if Nintendo has a specific choice or if they'll just leave it to Sakurai to choose. Hoping on the latter since I imagine he'd come up with a really fun but recognizable choice.

My personal favorite choice is Dracovish from Sword/Shield. It's pretty popular among the fandom, it has a very unique design and it's battle style would focus around kicking and biting.

Garchomp is another hugely popular Pokemon in the fandom, and with D/P's remakes on the horizon it would be a nice promotion.

I'm just hoping it isn't anything safe like a Galar starter or Urshifu. I can't see Cinderace's fireball-kicking to be anything but awkward to use, and I can't see Urshifu as anything but Bear-Ryu or Bear-Ken.

The Pokemon tournament completely killed those chances.

 

[Otoad64]

The Pokemon tournament completely killed those chances.

I don't think they did tbh

 

[RileyXY1]

I don't think they did tbh

Well, if there was going to be a Pokemon character they would be released earlier in the pass so that they could be usable during the Pokemon tournament.

 

[Otoad64]

Well, if there was going to be a Pokemon character they would be released earlier in the pass so that they could be usable during the Pokemon tournament.

haven't there been multiple Pokemon tournaments? They could do another one

 

[RileyXY1]

haven't there been multiple Pokemon tournaments? They could do another one

There's only been one. And doing another would be weird as they never repeated tournament or Spirit Event themes before.

 

[Dinoman96]

There's only been one. And doing another would be weird as they never repeated tournament or Spirit Event themes before.

Technically, there's been two. The one they did for the anniversary recently, and the one they did for Sword/Shield's release back in 2019.

 

[Otoad64]

Technically, there's been two. The one they did for the anniversary recently, and the one they did for Sword/Shield's release back in 2019.

and they could do another for Legends: Arceus or BDSP

 

[YoshiandToad]

Technically, there's been two. The one they did for the anniversary recently, and the one they did for Sword/Shield's release back in 2019.

Jigglypuff, Squirtle and Ivysaur were cut. Rude.

 

[Otoad64]

Jigglypuff, Squirtle and Ivysaur were cut. Rude.

technically Mewtwo, Incineroar, and Greninja shouldn't be there either if it's SWSH themed

 

[Doc Monocle]

How does everyone keep up with it all? Anyway, I do not see why the events of Pokémon should interfere with Smash Bros. since they could be treated as ignorant of each others' existence.

 

[Minik]

I think for a pokemon now they'd do a tourney based on something else about the pokemon e.g. Decidueye could be all characters who have wings or wing moves

 

[fogbadge]

technically Mewtwo, Incineroar, and Greninja shouldn't be there either if it's SWSH themed

two of them are programmed in

 

[Otoad64]

two of them are programmed in

still, before Pokemon Home the only way to obtain them was through hacking