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The First Party general support thread

Zero Suit Violet

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not bad some there id not be happy with but most of them are already in the game, kudo for anges btw
Haha, well, Bravely Default/Second are two of my favorite JRPG ever, a wonderful experience all around, so of course, with that, and the fact that a moveset made around the changing classes from Bravely would be absolutly unique and wonderful, she had to be in there haha

By curiosity, who do you dislike in there ? It's not like I could do "better", becuase those are just my personal favorite, but I'm still curious
 

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Pirahna Plant is more iconic than most of the roster, as well as almost all of the mooted newcomers.
And yet for some reason I doubt that you'd be saying "man this roster really needs a Pirahna Plant" if it was never added.
 

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IMO, I think the post Fighters Pass characters will have a good chance of being first party. The extension was done by popular demand, so there isn't much room for the planning and negotiation that the third party DLC requires.
 

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IMO, I think the post Fighters Pass characters will have a good chance of being first party. The extension was done by popular demand, so there isn't much room for the planning and negotiation that the third party DLC requires.
Doubt it. Nintendo's President put out a quote saying that their approach is to try to use Smash to bring outside gamers into Smash.

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And there's also Sakurai's quote about game worlds, meaning we're probably not getting any more reps from already represented franchises (even if it's just a Spirit)

Also, Sakurai's tweet says that the DLC Line-up was completed before release. Not just the Pass, but the whole game's DLC. Since they probably had to start getting legal rights during base game development, Sakurai probably had time to tell the spirit team "don't add these characters and franchises", which means spirits probably still deconfirm.

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Maybe if we get lucky, we could get Euden, Byleth or the Howard Twins, but it's more likely we get ALL 3rd parties from non-represented franchises. Even if we do get a Nintendo character, there's probably gonna only be 1 like how Corrin was the only Nintendo Newcomer in Smash 4 DLC, so if you don't like the Nintendo rep, too bad. But again, because of those quotes, we're probably only getting 3rd parties, so I wouldn't worry about that situation.
 

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Also, Sakurai's tweet says that the DLC Line-up was completed before release. Not just the Pass, but the whole game's DLC. Since they probably had to start getting legal rights during base game development, Sakurai probably had time to tell the spirit team "don't add these characters and franchises", which means spirits probably still deconfirm.
We don't even know if DLC after the Pass was planned by that point in time. Hell, we don't even know if the characters are even decided right now. This all seems like a stretch.
 

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Haha, well, Bravely Default/Second are two of my favorite JRPG ever, a wonderful experience all around, so of course, with that, and the fact that a moveset made around the changing classes from Bravely would be absolutly unique and wonderful, she had to be in there haha

By curiosity, who do you dislike in there ? It's not like I could do "better", becuase those are just my personal favorite, but I'm still curious
well im not fond of ashley, and i really dont think porky should be playable, i cant stand edlegard shes the worst, and i dont think we should have on of the mph hunters in the game and ive never really been sold on lip

that being said i think eldegard is the only one thatd actually annoy me if she got in the rest would mostly be varying degrees of indifference
 

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well im not fond of ashley, and i really dont think porky should be playable, i cant stand edlegard shes the worst, and i dont think we should have on of the mph hunters in the game and ive never really been sold on lip

that being said i think eldegard is the only one thatd actually annoy me if she got in the rest would mostly be varying degrees of indifference
Fair enough for Ashley and Edelguard, it lay on tastes after all, so I can't blame you for not liking something I like, but, I do wonder why Porky "Shouldn't" be playable, he make a good boss that's true, but he would also be pretty interesting as playable character, the image I took actually come from a moveset concept fanart for him, lemme link it
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I find this concept to be a pretty interesting way to put him into the game, inventive and creative, while still referencing what the character is all about, one of my favorite take on him
Rundas is from Metroid Prime 3, not Hunters BTW, he was a pretty amazing character in this game, don't appear a "lot" due to being one of the first bosses, but definitly memorable by his dialogue, boss fight, and theme
As for Lip she's also a favorite of mine in term of "Retro Rep", I find a puzzle based moveset to be pretty interesting, and with her item being in the game since pretty much the beginning, I would like for her to officially join one day haha
 
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We don't even know if DLC after the Pass was planned by that point in time. Hell, we don't even know if the characters are even decided right now. This all seems like a stretch.
Like I said before, if Sakurai's quote is anything to go by, then all of Ultimate's roster is already finalized, not just the Fighter Pass. I'm just expecting the worst, because all of the pieces add up to it looking really bad for Nintendo characters.
 

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Like I said before, if Sakurai's quote is anything to go by, then all of Ultimate's roster is already finalized, not just the Fighter Pass. I'm just expecting the worst, because all of the pieces add up to it looking really bad for Nintendo characters.
That's being overly literal to a fault.
 

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Fair enough for Ashley and Edelguard, it lay on tastes after all, so I can't blame you for not liking something I like, but, I do wonder why Porky "Shouldn't" be playable, he make a good boss that's true, but he would also be pretty interesting as playable character, the image I took actually come from a moveset concept fanart for him, lemme link it
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I find this concept to be a pretty interesting way to put him into the game, inventive and creative, while still referencing what the character is all about, one of my favorite take on him
Rundas is from Metroid Prime 3, not Hunters BTW, he was a pretty amazing character in this game, don't appear a "lot" due to being one of the first bosses, but definitly memorable by his dialogue, boss fight, and theme
As for Lip she's also a favorite of mine in term of "Retro Rep", I find a puzzle based moveset to be pretty interesting, and with her item being in the game since pretty much the beginning, I would like for her to officially join one day haha
well "shouldnt" perhaps was the wrong word, i suppose he almost the series villain so hes not undeserving id just rather have ninten or boney

ah my mistake, i couldnt get into the prime games, not a fan of first person

well lip is just taste as well, my choice would be the urban champion, who i think is a bit of niche choice
 

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well "shouldnt" perhaps was the wrong word, i suppose he almost the series villain so hes not undeserving id just rather have ninten or boney

ah my mistake, i couldnt get into the prime games, not a fan of first person

well lip is just taste as well, my choice would be the urban champion, who i think is a bit of niche choice
Oh that's understandable, tastes are what they are after all haha, but yeah indeed, Porky is a pretty iconic vilain of the series, so it would make sense

Haha, so am I, I'm not a big fan of FPS, but Prime have been the execption to me, really enjoyed the trilogy, one of the rare FPS I played through

Mhm indeed she is, Urban Champion is a nice choice as well though !
 

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Oh that's understandable, tastes are what they are after all haha, but yeah indeed, Porky is a pretty iconic vilain of the series, so it would make sense

Haha, so am I, I'm not a big fan of FPS, but Prime have been the execption to me, really enjoyed the trilogy, one of the rare FPS I played through

Mhm indeed she is, Urban Champion is a nice choice as well though !
well i played a bit of the first metroid prime but i couldnt stick with it
 

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And yet for some reason I doubt that you'd be saying "man this roster really needs a Pirahna Plant" if it was never added.
I wouldn't have said that for any newcomer besides Inkling so far. The roster doesn't "need" anybody at this point.
 

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PLEASE drop the argument about Piranha Plant. It's getting nowhere.

Anyway, I realize I never posted the first-party characters I personally want. Let's fix that:
  • :ultmario:: Captain Toad (not just any Toad), as he's actually a recurring main series character now and has spinoff presence as the cherry on top.
  • :ultlink:: Skull Kid, as THE Zelda one-shot that makes all other one-shots unnecessary.
  • :ultpikachu:: Any of the iconic Pokémon not from Gens 7 or 8. I'd say Garchomp, Gardevoir, and Zoroark have some merit.
  • :ultkirby:: Galacta Knight, a modern Kirby icon with actually interesting abilities and is recurring on top of that.
  • :ultdk:: Dixie Kong, I'd be happy if she's just a (semi)echo, but having Spinning Kong is imperative.
  • :ultolimar:: The other leaders as alts.
  • :ultmarth:: Lyn. To avoid being another Marth, she can be a Meta Knight ripoff (not an echo, but with original moves that make her play very similarly to Meta Knight).
  • :ultshulk:: Elma. At least she's a console gen old, but I expect both her and Rex/Pyra by next installment.
  • :ultfox:: Any character that doesn't have the stock Blaster, Dash, directional recovery, Reflector set.
 

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  • :ultfox:: Any character that doesn't have the stock Blaster, Dash, directional recovery, Reflector set.
When you think about it, Andross is overlooked. My want for the character is nitpicky tho since I'm opposed to his floaty head. I want lab coat Andross.


Not his other forms bs. I want pre Andross.
 

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Disagree on Andross, since his whole deal is him being a giant floating head.
A Fox In Space does make a STRONG argument for his monkey form though.
 

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Disagree on Andross, since his whole deal is him being a giant floating head.
A Fox In Space does make a STRONG argument for his monkey form though.
The floaty head could easily be his Final Smash. He's still Andross, just scaled to a more workable fighter.
 

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There are many that would make me happy. However, the ones I actively "want."

New series:

- Chibi Robo
- Isaac
- Twintelle
- Balloon Fighter
- Excite Biker

Old Series:

- Meowth
- Eevee
- Paper Mario
- Captain Toad
- Dixie Kong
- DK Jr
- Impa
 

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Quillions posts makes me think. If you could add one character from each first party franchise, who would they be?

:ultmario:: It should probably be one of the Toads, but I'd love King Boo
:ultdk:: Dixie of course
:ultlink:: Skull Kid with out a doubt. And add some Majora's Mask music already!
:ultsamus:: I honestly think the franchise is perfect for characters, but if I can't make Dark Samus unique, I'd probably add Sylux (or Kraid for lolz)
:ultyoshi:: I really really really want Baby Mario. But I know I'm kinda the only one, but Kamek would still be really cool
:ultkirby:: Bandana Dee, anyone else would be outrageous, and not in a good way
:ultfox:: I'll say Krystal, but if they can make Andross work, it would be excellent
:ultpikachu:: Right now, I'll say Gardevoir, popularity has stood the test of time and we don't have a Gen 3 Pokemon (and we have enough starters)
:ultness:: I'll say Ninten, there are some nice fan designs that differ him Ness and I like the novelty of having all 3 protagonist
:ultfalcon:: I'll give it to Goroh, he's in more games and it doesn't feel like he's only liked to replace Clonedorf (who I'm satisfied with as he is)
:ultgnw::ultrob::ulticeclimbers::ultduckhunt:: I'm grouping the old school oddballs and will say Excitebiker, I'm surprised it doesn't even have a stage yet
:ultmarth:: Tough to say, call me insane but maybe a trainer like character with the three house leaders (although maybe that's cheating)
:ultpit:: once upon a time I'd have said Hades, but these days I'll say Viridi, we need more plant based characters and Viridi would probably be incredible with that theming.
:ultwario:: Ashley
:ultolimar:: Louie, maybe with alts for other characters. Or just make Alph his own thing
:ultvillager:: Tom Nook
:ultwiifittrainer:: Balance Board lol. Or Ring Fit adventurer if you want to count that
:ultlittlemac:: Doc Louis
:ultshulk:: Gimme Rex and Pyra
:ultinkling:: Squid Sisters! Or Octolings I guess (maybe unique Octolings, with Marie as an Inkling echo and Callie as an Octoling Echo!)
 

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Too lazy to make a full list, but here's my additions to the original 12. Except I replaced Yoshi with Wario because let's be honest, Yoshi's supporting cast are Mario's characters and the egg icon is an artifact from the N64 game.

Super Mario Bros: Paper Mario
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda: Ganon
Metroid: Gamma/Omega Metroid
Wario: Captain Syrup
Kirby: Dark Matter
Pokemon: Gengar
MOTHER: Porky
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
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Ok then
Mario: Geno (if he doesn't count, Waluigi)
Zelda: Skull Kid
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
Metroid: Sylux
Yoshi: Shy Guy
Kirby: Bandana Dee
Star Fox: Krystal
Pokemon: Darkrai
Mother: Ninten/Porky
F-Zero: Black Shadow
NES Franchises: Mach Rider
Fire Emblem: Black Knight
Kid Icarus: Viridi
Wario: Ashley
Pikmin: Louie
Animal Crossing: Tom Nook
Wii Fit: Balance Board
Punch-Out!: Super Macho Man
Xenoblade: Mythra
Splatoon: Octolings
 

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Too lazy to make a full list, but here's my additions to the original 12. Except I replaced Yoshi with Wario because let's be honest, Yoshi's supporting cast are Mario's characters and the egg icon is an artifact from the N64 game.

Super Mario Bros: Paper Mario
Donkey Kong: Dixie Kong
The Legend of Zelda: Ganon
Metroid: Gamma/Omega Metroid
Wario: Captain Syrup
Kirby: Dark Matter
Pokemon: Gengar
MOTHER: Porky
F-Zero: Samurai Goroh
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"Artifact from the N64 game..."








Right........... :yoshi:
 

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"Artifact from the N64 game..."








Right........... :yoshi:
You know I meant Super Smash Bros 64, right?
Besides, my point still stands that compared to other spinoffs of Mario like Donkey Kong or Wario, Yoshi is significantly less unique when it comes to characters to pull for the game. Off the top of my head, the only worthwhile characters to add are...Kamek, a Shy Guy, Baby Mario, or Poochy, and all those characters should they be put in feel less like worthy additions to the roster and more feeble justifications as to why Yoshi has his own icon.
There's a reason why Sakurai decided to split the Mario segment of the Smash 4 roster by putting Yoshi smack-dab between Bowser and Rosalina.
 

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You know I meant Super Smash Bros 64, right?
Besides, my point still stands that compared to other spinoffs of Mario like Donkey Kong or Wario, Yoshi is significantly less unique when it comes to characters to pull for the game. Off the top of my head, the only worthwhile characters to add are...Kamek, a Shy Guy, Baby Mario, or Poochy, and all those characters should they be put in feel less like worthy additions to the roster and more feeble justifications as to why Yoshi has his own icon.
There's a reason why Sakurai decided to split the Mario segment of the Smash 4 roster by putting Yoshi smack-dab between Bowser and Rosalina.
That Smash 4 CSS argument never stales apparently. Nevermind that the stage select screen in both versions show the Yoshi stages separate from Mario and DK (even the Melee Yoshi's Island stage) AND the music is separate too. No, the CSS is the only evidence WE need (despite that particular CSS being......... not popular to say the least *coughclonescough*) :yoshi:
 

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PLEASE drop the argument about Piranha Plant. It's getting nowhere.

Anyway, I realize I never posted the first-party characters I personally want. Let's fix that:
  • :ultmario:: Captain Toad (not just any Toad), as he's actually a recurring main series character now and has spinoff presence as the cherry on top.
  • :ultlink:: Skull Kid, as THE Zelda one-shot that makes all other one-shots unnecessary.
  • :ultpikachu:: Any of the iconic Pokémon not from Gens 7 or 8. I'd say Garchomp, Gardevoir, and Zoroark have some merit.
  • :ultkirby:: Galacta Knight, a modern Kirby icon with actually interesting abilities and is recurring on top of that.
  • :ultdk:: Dixie Kong, I'd be happy if she's just a (semi)echo, but having Spinning Kong is imperative.
  • :ultolimar:: The other leaders as alts.
  • :ultmarth:: Lyn. To avoid being another Marth, she can be a Meta Knight ripoff (not an echo, but with original moves that make her play very similarly to Meta Knight).
  • :ultshulk:: Elma. At least she's a console gen old, but I expect both her and Rex/Pyra by next installment.
  • :ultfox:: Any character that doesn't have the stock Blaster, Dash, directional recovery, Reflector set.
bit harsh on toad, toadette, most zelda characters and the last two gens of pokemon
 

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64 series additions I'd like to see?

:ultmario:: Captain Toad(and Toadette as a double package)
:ultluigi:: King Boo(make Luigi rep his own successful franchise I say!)
:ultyoshi:: Kamek
:ultdk:: Dixie Kong
:ultlink:: Impa
:ultkirby:: Bandana Waddle Dee...or Gooey as the OG Kirby 2 player character
:ultsamus:: No preference. Anthony Higgins for the gag at this point.
:ultfox:: Should probably be Krystal, but Slippy with a moveset based around Starfox Guard sounds more appealing to me personally.
:ultpikachu:: Meowth(Team Rocket), Eevee, Blaziken or Gardevoir. Pretty iconic mons IMO.
:ultjigglypuff:: Pick another from that list
:ultfalcon:: Samurai Goroh
:ultness:: Porky
 

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I think with Woolly World and Crafted World, it's perfectly reasonable for Yoshi to have his own symbol.


I also think it would be perfectly reasonable to have the Mushroom emblem as well.



But I think it makes more sense to have his own symbol, he might be a Mario character but he's also the star of his own franchise and has been for a long time.
 

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64 series additions I'd like to see?

:ultmario:: Captain Toad(and Toadette as a double package)
:ultluigi:: King Boo(make Luigi rep his own successful franchise I say!)
:ultyoshi:: Kamek
:ultdk:: Dixie Kong
:ultlink:: Impa
:ultkirby:: Bandana Waddle Dee...or Gooey as the OG Kirby 2 player character
:ultsamus:: No preference. Anthony Higgins for the gag at this point.
:ultfox:: Should probably be Krystal, but Slippy with a moveset based around Starfox Guard sounds more appealing to me personally.
:ultpikachu:: Meowth(Team Rocket), Eevee, Blaziken or Gardevoir. Pretty iconic mons IMO.
:ultjigglypuff:: Pick another from that list
:ultfalcon:: Samurai Goroh
:ultness:: Porky

But those are only seventeen and not sixty four!
 

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Like I said before, if Sakurai's quote is anything to go by, then all of Ultimate's roster is already finalized, not just the Fighter Pass. I'm just expecting the worst, because all of the pieces add up to it looking really bad for Nintendo characters.
While I agree it isn't good for Nintendo characters (I mostly blame Sakurai for that), but that tweet is almost a year old at this point. The post fighter pass could be a relatively new venture.

And I still question the effectiveness of trying to bring more people in with very non-Nintendo third parties. Who's going to buy a system and a game just to use Cloud in one game?
 
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And I still question the effectiveness of trying to bring more people in with very non-Nintendo third parties. Who's going to buy a system and a game just to use Cloud in one game?
What I don't get is why people who are incredibly loyal to "they've gotta attract new demographics!" are also campaigning for a 3H rep. This isn't "FE is literally Hitler McSatanface", but rather "Smash is partially responsible for FE's huge growth in popularity therefore there should be a good overlap in their audiences".
 

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What I don't get is why people who are incredibly loyal to "they've gotta attract new demographics!" are also campaigning for a 3H rep. This isn't "FE is literally Hitler McSatanface", but rather "Smash is partially responsible for FE's huge growth in popularity therefore there should be a good overlap in their audiences".
It's called justifying what they want.

While I think the whip sword has potential, I don't want a TH rep. Give me any other Nintendo franchise, even another FE pick, just not TH.

The main issue is that Nintendo themselves seem to buy into it. I don't know if it's to justify Sakurai just wanting to bolster his record or they have data that supports it (it still seems highly unlikely any but the most die hard fans will make that much of an investment for one character). It doesn't even seem they get that much out of it seeing as P5 is still not coming to Switch.
 

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What I don't get is why people who are incredibly loyal to "they've gotta attract new demographics!" are also campaigning for a 3H rep. This isn't "FE is literally Hitler McSatanface", but rather "Smash is partially responsible for FE's huge growth in popularity therefore there should be a good overlap in their audiences".
Fire Emblem fanboys are almost cartoonishly greedy.
 

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Fire Emblem fanboys are almost cartoonishly greedy.
Pokémon fans are too with their desire to have Pokémon from the newest generation every game.

For both Fire Embem and Pokémon, I think they need to stop trying to draw on the newest characters all the time. They need to start looking at the backlog of characters that are both unique and still relevant after all this time.
 

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Pokémon fans are too with their desire to have Pokémon from the newest generation every game.

For both Fire Embem and Pokémon, I think they need to stop trying to draw on the newest characters all the time. They need to start looking at the backlog of characters that are both unique and still relevant after all this time.
Yup, I think Eevee, Meowth, Lyn, and Anna would be good classical picks for these series, but unfortunately none of them ever probably get in because it’s always going to be the newest character from these series that will be added.
 

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Yup, I think Eevee, Meowth, Lyn, and Anna would be good classical picks for these series, but unfortunately none of them ever probably get in because it’s always going to be the newest character from these series that will be added.
Could you imagine if Xenoblade got that treatment? The cast would be even more bloated. I'm glad they're not focusing on the "new kid" for Xenoblade as of yet, but I'll patiently wait for both Elma and Rex by next game.

Maybe if anything, we can have classic newcomers and new newcomers coexist, but in an alternating fashion for DLC and pairing them as base game. Like if we get a Gen 8 Pokémon, they should have Gardevoir following it. If we get Byleth, we get Lyn following them.
 

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Yup, I think Eevee, Meowth, Lyn, and Anna would be good classical picks for these series, but unfortunately none of them ever probably get in because it’s always going to be the newest character from these series that will be added.
Chrom did break that rule. I mean, exceptions abound: Bad deconfirmation last go around, coming from a ludicrously important and popular entry, and was an echo. Still, he broke it.
 
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Pokémon fans are too with their desire to have Pokémon from the newest generation every game.

For both Fire Embem and Pokémon, I think they need to stop trying to draw on the newest characters all the time. They need to start looking at the backlog of characters that are both unique and still relevant after all this time.
Tfw we will get a new shillmon with an ugly design every single Smash game instead of cool Pokemon like Gengar or Scizor.
 

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Pokémon fans are too with their desire to have Pokémon from the newest generation every game.

For both Fire Embem and Pokémon, I think they need to stop trying to draw on the newest characters all the time. They need to start looking at the backlog of characters that are both unique and still relevant after all this time.
Oh, absolutely. Sirfetch'd is cool but I'd rather have a second gen 7 rep that's not a model swap of a generic wrestler, among other things. And if Sakurai is so concerned about relevancy, shouldn't gen 5 NOT be off the table?
  • Pokemon Go just had its first wave of Unova Pokemon
  • Detective Pikachu included several of its Pokemon, including ignoring more iconic gen 1 counterparts
  • Pokemon Masters gave Rosa a huge boost, and in an official poll from this Valentine's Day asking who fans' favorite male and female characters were, both winners were from gen 5.
I shouldn't have to explain 1 not being off the table in terms of relevancy.
 
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Nelson340
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Eh, we've already got a Pokemon. Give us something a little more unique.
Yeah, a Pokemon that's more unique than a generic wrestler and didn't struggle to become a fan favorite.

Fire Emblem fans aren't stopping just because Fates controversy goes outside of Smash. Geno/Waluigi fans aren't stopping just because of Piranha Plant.
 
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