sliceblader
Smash Cadet
I have a 1080i Insignia Hdtv i play Melee on my wii with Component cables and Progressive scan turned on which makes no lag but if i turn off progressive scan or dont use my component cables it lags
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The End of All Smash Brawl HDTV Lag Debates
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S2026
Smash Rookie
I plan to snag component cables with it. So I guess I'm good thanks. Gonna go pick up my 32 inch HD after dinner 
thespoiler
Smash Cadet
I think this TV nonsense is bugging you guys too much. I have a 55 inch LCD-Projection TV that is about 3 years old. It has bad lag compared to my newer big screen. BUT, my brother plays Halo on it all the time. My brother plays Halo professionally, and practices on that TV day and night.
My brother participates in every major tournament for Halo. His team was in the top 10 best teams in MLG.
My point is, the lag isn't enough to throw you off. If it bothers you that much, than hook your Wii up to another TV.
My brother participates in every major tournament for Halo. His team was in the top 10 best teams in MLG.
My point is, the lag isn't enough to throw you off. If it bothers you that much, than hook your Wii up to another TV.
S2026
Smash Rookie
I mainly use my TV for gaming. So I want it work with my consoles.
Corporate Goon
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I'm reposting this from the fifth page because people continue to bring up issues I addressed already:
Hi,
Kudos, ChiboSempai, for trying to help people out and for investing the time in writing that post. However, there are some inaccuracies in what you wrote. I'll go through and point them out - feel free to edit the changes in to your original post if you like. I'll include some of my own comments on the issue at the end.
More importantly, there are many, many HDTVs that are 1080i native resolution. Almost all CRT HDTVs, both front- and rear-projection, are 1080i native. Some plasma TVs are also 1080i native resolution. There are no LCD TVs that have an interlaced native resolution, however - all LCD TVs are 480p, 720p, or 1080p.
This needs a bit of a primer on how interlaced and progressive scan TVs work.
CRT TVs work by "painting" the screen with an electron gun. The gun moves from the top of the screen to the bottom, left to right, firing electrons at the phosphors in your television to make them light. An NTSC CRT TV refreshes (paints the screen) 60 times in a second (60Hz). An interlaced TV works by drawing all the even lines on a screen (240 lines), then drawing all the odd lines (another 240 lines). Each field has 240 lines, but the actual frame of the image still has 480 lines - NTSC broadcasts run at 29.98fps, divided into two fields to work with 60Hz interlaced TVs. A progressive scan TV will take those two interlaced fields and 'deinterlace' them to make a single image with 480 lines - a progressive scan image. Progressive scan CRT TVs can draw every line in every pass, but don't have to. A fixed pixel display like an LCD TV does not refresh like a conventional CRT TV - there's no gun painting pixels, the pixels are there and on all the time, so the image must be a "progressive" image - LCD TVs can't display interlaced signals (if you force an LCD to display one you actually see two images side by side).
Anyway, back to the topic at hand - 1080i is a 1920x1080 resolution image at 30fps. Each of those frames is divided into two fields - 540 odd lines and 540 even lines - which are displayed at 60Hz. You're still seeing a 1920x1080 image, and if you're using a 1080p LCD TV with a good deinterlacer, you're going to see pretty much the exact same picture as you would see if you were looking at a 1080p source. I've never run into a situation where a 1080i/p TV looked better with a 720p signal than with a 1080i signal, as long as the original source was at least 1080i.
And XBox 360 or PS3 can each render games at whatever resolution you set the console to. You should ALWAYS set your console to match the resolution of your TV. It doesn't make sense to set your 360 to output a 1080i signal and then have your TV scale it down - this can introduce lag, and will definitely introduce image artifacts. The PS3 and the XBox 360 have very similar graphics hardware to what you'd find in a computer - like a computer, they can render graphics at whatever resolution they're told, provided they have enough video memory. The hardware scaler in the XBox 360 is there for content that is a fixed resolution - cut scenes, DVDs, menus, HD-DVDs, and the like. The PS3 doesn't have this, which caused a bit of a problem when it was first released because it had trouble playing bluray movies at certain resolutions (can't quite recall which ones). That was rectified with a software patch - the PS3 does its scaling in software, but that doesn't cause any performance issues because of the way the Cell processor works. It's easy to dedicate one of the 7 SPEs to scaling video; its pretty much what it was designed for.
The Wii can only output in 480i or 480p. If you can set it to 480p, set it to 480p. More on this later.
Don't confuse upconversion with deinterlacing - deinterlacing isn't upconversion. Deinterlacing can introduce appreciable lag - upconversion generally doesn't, if the scaler is good.
All TVs have hardware scalers. They wouldn't be able to scale video otherwise. A TV doesn't have a general-purpose CPU like the PS3 does - there's no chip in a TV that would scale video if not for a hardware scaler (I have a projector in my basement that proudly proclaims "Faroujda Scaler" on the chassis).
Also, this is not the source of most noticable lag.
The most noticable lag on LCD and Plasma TVs comes from deinterlacing a signal. Even the best deinterlacer will be 1/2 frame behind the game you're playing, because the deinterlacer has to wait for the at second field (the other half of the frame) before it can create a progressive image. Good deinterlacers generally will work on at least 3 fields at once. If the image you're seeing is 3 fields (1.5 frames) behind the image being generated by the console, this is at least 5ms of lag. 5ms of lag is completely unnoticable when you're watching TV or a movie, but when you're playing a game like Smash Bros or Guitar Hero where you're timing button presses down to a fraction of a second, it makes a significant difference.
Scaing the image can also introduce lag; however, most new LCD and plasma TVs have very good scalers that can scale the image in a millisecond or less. Some older LCD TVs have poor or slow scalers that will introduce some lag, but most LCD TVs will have no appreciable lag if they're receiving a progressive image, regardless of the resolution.
A good projection TV will usually have LESS lag than an LCD TV. Rear Projection sets are often CRT or DLP, which are less susceptible to lag than LCD TVs, or they're LCD TVs with a true 1280x720 resolution instead of the 1366x768 resolution of flatpanel displays. Every signal sent to a 720p flatpanel has to be scaled, a 720p LCD rear projector (or front projector) does not have to scale a 720p image.
As for picture quality of a rear projection set, depends on the set. Sony's top of the line XSRD LCD Rear Projection set looks better than any LCD flatpanel they make. I've also seen horrible rear projection sets. They're not any different than any other kind of TV in this regard (though you can usually get similar picture quality to a flatpanel for about half the price in a rear projection).
Ignore advertising BS about lag. The only major name-brand LCD that I've run into that has any serious issues with response time or lag are Sony XBR4s. They're embarrassingly bad.
Some extra notes for people who have LCD TVs or are looking to buy LCD TVs, and want to reduce lag:
A lot of new LCD TV models advertise 120Hz Processing. If you're playing games, TURN THIS OFF. If you have a high end Sony TV that advertises "Motion Flow", TURN IT OFF. This can smooth out your video and reduce issues with response time, but it will introduce lag into your games. Turn off all video processing (noise reduction, colour enhancement, everything) when you're playing games - the more processing the set is doing to the image, the more likely it will introduce lag into your game. As I've said several times, any current LCD set up properly should not lag in any appreciable way.
What do I have? I have a Panasonic PTAE900 720p Front Projector. I'm an avid Smash Brothers and Guitar Hero player (probably the two games most sensitive to lag). Both games will lag on my set if they're running at 480i. Both games are lag-free at 480p.
Kudos again to ChiboSempai for writing the original post - I hope this clears up any additional questions people might have had and clarifies a few of the mistakes in the original post. Thanks!
-Goon
Hi,
Kudos, ChiboSempai, for trying to help people out and for investing the time in writing that post. However, there are some inaccuracies in what you wrote. I'll go through and point them out - feel free to edit the changes in to your original post if you like. I'll include some of my own comments on the issue at the end.
This is nitpicky, but actually isn't true. CRT screens can display a variety of resolutions. Most CRT TVs will only properly display 480i content, but CRT HDTVs and CRT computer monitors can all display a variety of resolutions without resorting to any sort of scaling at all.
Mostly true, for North America. Note that PAL TVs' standard resolutions are different - a PAL TV has 525 lines of visible resolution that refresh at 50Hz, rather than 60Hz. PAL SDTVs are 525i, EDTVs are 525p.
More importantly, there are many, many HDTVs that are 1080i native resolution. Almost all CRT HDTVs, both front- and rear-projection, are 1080i native. Some plasma TVs are also 1080i native resolution. There are no LCD TVs that have an interlaced native resolution, however - all LCD TVs are 480p, 720p, or 1080p.
Right
Sorry, but this is completely wrong. 1080i is not a "fake" resolution, and 720p is definitely not higher resolution than 1080i. People get very confused when talking about interlaced resolutions, confusing frames and fields.
This needs a bit of a primer on how interlaced and progressive scan TVs work.
CRT TVs work by "painting" the screen with an electron gun. The gun moves from the top of the screen to the bottom, left to right, firing electrons at the phosphors in your television to make them light. An NTSC CRT TV refreshes (paints the screen) 60 times in a second (60Hz). An interlaced TV works by drawing all the even lines on a screen (240 lines), then drawing all the odd lines (another 240 lines). Each field has 240 lines, but the actual frame of the image still has 480 lines - NTSC broadcasts run at 29.98fps, divided into two fields to work with 60Hz interlaced TVs. A progressive scan TV will take those two interlaced fields and 'deinterlace' them to make a single image with 480 lines - a progressive scan image. Progressive scan CRT TVs can draw every line in every pass, but don't have to. A fixed pixel display like an LCD TV does not refresh like a conventional CRT TV - there's no gun painting pixels, the pixels are there and on all the time, so the image must be a "progressive" image - LCD TVs can't display interlaced signals (if you force an LCD to display one you actually see two images side by side).
Anyway, back to the topic at hand - 1080i is a 1920x1080 resolution image at 30fps. Each of those frames is divided into two fields - 540 odd lines and 540 even lines - which are displayed at 60Hz. You're still seeing a 1920x1080 image, and if you're using a 1080p LCD TV with a good deinterlacer, you're going to see pretty much the exact same picture as you would see if you were looking at a 1080p source. I've never run into a situation where a 1080i/p TV looked better with a 720p signal than with a 1080i signal, as long as the original source was at least 1080i.
This doesn't make any sense - I tried writing a response three times and couldn't figure out what you're trying to say here, so I'll just talk about how video game consoles work and what the scaler in these devices actually does.
And XBox 360 or PS3 can each render games at whatever resolution you set the console to. You should ALWAYS set your console to match the resolution of your TV. It doesn't make sense to set your 360 to output a 1080i signal and then have your TV scale it down - this can introduce lag, and will definitely introduce image artifacts. The PS3 and the XBox 360 have very similar graphics hardware to what you'd find in a computer - like a computer, they can render graphics at whatever resolution they're told, provided they have enough video memory. The hardware scaler in the XBox 360 is there for content that is a fixed resolution - cut scenes, DVDs, menus, HD-DVDs, and the like. The PS3 doesn't have this, which caused a bit of a problem when it was first released because it had trouble playing bluray movies at certain resolutions (can't quite recall which ones). That was rectified with a software patch - the PS3 does its scaling in software, but that doesn't cause any performance issues because of the way the Cell processor works. It's easy to dedicate one of the 7 SPEs to scaling video; its pretty much what it was designed for.
The Wii can only output in 480i or 480p. If you can set it to 480p, set it to 480p. More on this later.
This isn't true. Rescaling video, up or down, will cause lag. Whether the lag is appreciable depends on two factors - how many times it's being scaled, and how fast the scalers doing the work are.
Again, scaling video always causes lag. If you have a 480p set, you're likely not going to notice the difference between downconverting a 720p signal or a 1080i signal or a 1080p signal - the difference will be in the area of fractions of miliseconds.
Don't confuse upconversion with deinterlacing - deinterlacing isn't upconversion. Deinterlacing can introduce appreciable lag - upconversion generally doesn't, if the scaler is good.
This isn't true. The Wii can output both 480i and 480p "natively". There is no scaling going on. This is similar to the way your computer can output a variety of resolutions.
Yes, all HD LCD and Plasma TVs will have to upconvert a 480p signal. HOWEVER!
All TVs have hardware scalers. They wouldn't be able to scale video otherwise. A TV doesn't have a general-purpose CPU like the PS3 does - there's no chip in a TV that would scale video if not for a hardware scaler (I have a projector in my basement that proudly proclaims "Faroujda Scaler" on the chassis).
Also, this is not the source of most noticable lag.
The most noticable lag on LCD and Plasma TVs comes from deinterlacing a signal. Even the best deinterlacer will be 1/2 frame behind the game you're playing, because the deinterlacer has to wait for the at second field (the other half of the frame) before it can create a progressive image. Good deinterlacers generally will work on at least 3 fields at once. If the image you're seeing is 3 fields (1.5 frames) behind the image being generated by the console, this is at least 5ms of lag. 5ms of lag is completely unnoticable when you're watching TV or a movie, but when you're playing a game like Smash Bros or Guitar Hero where you're timing button presses down to a fraction of a second, it makes a significant difference.
Scaing the image can also introduce lag; however, most new LCD and plasma TVs have very good scalers that can scale the image in a millisecond or less. Some older LCD TVs have poor or slow scalers that will introduce some lag, but most LCD TVs will have no appreciable lag if they're receiving a progressive image, regardless of the resolution.
No, if you set your wii to 480i, it is generating images internally at 480i. No scaling is going on.
This is misworded - see above.
True.
Game mode TVs are nothing but a marketing gimick. I sell the Aquos line of TVs and I can tell you that a properly set up D43. D62, D64, D82, or any other current Sharp will have no appreciable difference in lag compared to the GP1. However, the GP1 is a very good set - its also generally only slightly more expensive than the equivalent non-gaming 1080p set and it has an extra set of inputs on the side, so its still worth looking at. As I said before, most modern, name-brand LCDs have fast enough scalers that you should not notice lag from a progressive signal.
HDTVs will never be lag free. Most are already free of appreciable lag. They can't get a lot better than that.
This isn't true. If you have an EDTV (480p TV) you absolutely must get component cables or you will likely experience lag. If you have an SDTV with component connections, you'll get a sharper picture and better colour with component cables, so I still recommend it, but there'll be no difference in lag (there shouldn't be any to begin with).
Completely untrue. You do realize that projection TVs are "sending it across an empty area" at the speed of light, right? (sorry, don't mean to sound like an *******, but !) It takes hundreds, maybe thousands of times longer for the nerves in your eye to transmit what they're seeing to your brain than it does for light to cross the 1-2 foot space inside your television (and if this is really a concern, sit a foot closer to your TV to compensate. Problem solved!).
A good projection TV will usually have LESS lag than an LCD TV. Rear Projection sets are often CRT or DLP, which are less susceptible to lag than LCD TVs, or they're LCD TVs with a true 1280x720 resolution instead of the 1366x768 resolution of flatpanel displays. Every signal sent to a 720p flatpanel has to be scaled, a 720p LCD rear projector (or front projector) does not have to scale a 720p image.
As for picture quality of a rear projection set, depends on the set. Sony's top of the line XSRD LCD Rear Projection set looks better than any LCD flatpanel they make. I've also seen horrible rear projection sets. They're not any different than any other kind of TV in this regard (though you can usually get similar picture quality to a flatpanel for about half the price in a rear projection).
True. They have other image quality issues though, so I really wouldn't recommend a CRT these days given the price and quality of LCD and Plasma sets.
They do make 480p plasmas, but that's just an interesting aside.
This is actually lag (most correctly - latency); ghosting is just a common term for it. Its a different kind of lag than we've been talking about, though, so this is just me being anal.
Plasmas do not refresh in the same way as LCDs, and do not suffer from latency. What you're talking about here is the response time of the pixels in the set lagging behind the changing image - the pixels can't change their colour fast enough to keep up with Captain Falcon.
Dear god I hope it doesn't look like this. If it does, you've got one hell of a bad TV! No new LCDs will look like this.
Plasmas don't do this - I don't know what you've been looking at. Plasmas have trouble with gradients, burn-in, and noise. They don't have trouble with ghosting, streaking, lag, response time, black levels, or any other LCD-specific problems.
SDTVs or EDTVs will be closest to lag-free with a Wii. If you have an EDTV, for the love of god, DON'T SET IT TO 1080i! You're making your equipment work harder for at best no gain in picture quality, and at worse, degraded picture quality and in the case of a ****ty scaler, increased lag.
Ignore advertising BS about lag. The only major name-brand LCD that I've run into that has any serious issues with response time or lag are Sony XBR4s. They're embarrassingly bad.
I would really recommend if it is indeed a 480p set and not a 1080i set (what's the model?) that you set your XBox to 480p, for reasons listed above.
Some extra notes for people who have LCD TVs or are looking to buy LCD TVs, and want to reduce lag:
A lot of new LCD TV models advertise 120Hz Processing. If you're playing games, TURN THIS OFF. If you have a high end Sony TV that advertises "Motion Flow", TURN IT OFF. This can smooth out your video and reduce issues with response time, but it will introduce lag into your games. Turn off all video processing (noise reduction, colour enhancement, everything) when you're playing games - the more processing the set is doing to the image, the more likely it will introduce lag into your game. As I've said several times, any current LCD set up properly should not lag in any appreciable way.
What do I have? I have a Panasonic PTAE900 720p Front Projector. I'm an avid Smash Brothers and Guitar Hero player (probably the two games most sensitive to lag). Both games will lag on my set if they're running at 480i. Both games are lag-free at 480p.
Kudos again to ChiboSempai for writing the original post - I hope this clears up any additional questions people might have had and clarifies a few of the mistakes in the original post. Thanks!
-Goon
Corporate Goon knows what he's talking about! Listen to him instead of the original poster.
I just got the 52" Olevia 252TFHD LCD 1080p HDTV. I tested Super Mario Galaxy and apparently the scaler in it is good enough for gaming! No noticeable lag whatsoever, I couldn't be more happy.
Since there's no lag playing Mario Galaxy, it's safe to say I won't see any in Brawl either, right?
I just got the 52" Olevia 252TFHD LCD 1080p HDTV. I tested Super Mario Galaxy and apparently the scaler in it is good enough for gaming! No noticeable lag whatsoever, I couldn't be more happy.
Since there's no lag playing Mario Galaxy, it's safe to say I won't see any in Brawl either, right?
Qinopio
Smash Journeyman
Just reporting that the lag on my Toshiba 32" REGZA with component cables and game mode on is not noticeable to me when I play Brawl, and I'm fairly picky about these things. I think I can notice a tiny bit of additional pointer lag, but I can't say for sure, nor have I specifically measured the lag with timecodes.
Testament27
Smash Journeyman
ok fellas, now that EVERYONE HAS READ ALL THE MAJOR POSTS ON THIS THREAD,
Can we reccomend some models that would be good for the various setups?
for example, lets say we compile a list of the best lag free / low lag tvs for people with just wiis and people with 360s or ps3s and wiis.
Can we reccomend some models that would be good for the various setups?
for example, lets say we compile a list of the best lag free / low lag tvs for people with just wiis and people with 360s or ps3s and wiis.
Fizz-sama
Smash Ace
Alright, so I'm a major noob when it comes to anything TVs, and I would read through all of this(and I probably will later tonight) but I gotta' get ready for work.
ANYHOW.
While working last night I saw a deal I couldn't pass up, so I went ahead and bout a Magnavox 32MF337B. It's resolution can go up to 1080i, and mentions 480i/p and 720p as well. Kinda' flies over my head, but ok. I played some Melee and everything seemed fine, but when I played Marth there was an issue with his second fair not coming out with his double fair. It seemed like just a slight bit of lag, but it wasn't TOO bad.
Now, my only concern is, if I get a component cable for the Wii when Brawl is out, that SHOULD take care of everything, correct?
(Sorry for my ignorance.)
ANYHOW.
While working last night I saw a deal I couldn't pass up, so I went ahead and bout a Magnavox 32MF337B. It's resolution can go up to 1080i, and mentions 480i/p and 720p as well. Kinda' flies over my head, but ok. I played some Melee and everything seemed fine, but when I played Marth there was an issue with his second fair not coming out with his double fair. It seemed like just a slight bit of lag, but it wasn't TOO bad.
Now, my only concern is, if I get a component cable for the Wii when Brawl is out, that SHOULD take care of everything, correct?
(Sorry for my ignorance.)
Doomgaze
Smash Apprentice
Basically, a component cable helps reduce lag because the TV doesn't have to change the signal from Interlaced to Progressive scan. How much each TV lags is dependant on the scaling hardware in the TV and you won't know unless you try it out.
If it's as you say, that the lag is very minimal, I believe getting the component cable will decrease the lag further.
Fizz-sama
Smash Ace
Awesome, thanks a bunch. Might as well go out and buy one then.
Doomgaze
Smash Apprentice
Also the picture quality is much better. Just don't forget to change the Wii settings.
ok this post will sound like I am not listening well to the OP but, does my Gericom GTX 32 TUM LCD TV/Computer screen i recently bought lagg alot? And if it does how can i improve it then? I would thank you guys alot if someone replyed the question about this cuz i am not good about TV's
the op is an idiot as i has stated in one of the post. he doesnt even know what he is talking about. just get some component cables off of monoprice for 5-8 dollar. you will be fine. if you're one of them person who goes OMG I HAVE LAG from maybe 0-15ms then just play on a tube
let me restate what i said:
Idiots, P means Progressive. MEANING IT DISPLAYS ALL 720 LINES. As for 720i, it means INTERLACE. It displays half of the720 LINES on every other line and Blend it with the rest of the other line. EXAMPLE, HALF OF 720 IS 360 LINES. IT displays 360 LINES AND BLENDS IT IN WITH THE REST OF THE 360 LINES.
1080i fake resolution? ROFL this guy is a real idiot. 1080i has a better resolution than 720p in stationary shots. it shows greater details. In the USA, 720p is used by ABC, Fox Broadcasting Company and ESPN because the smoother image is desirable for fast-action sports telecasts, whereas 1080i is used by CBS, NBC, HBO, Showtime and Discovery HD due to the crisper picture particularly in non-moving shots
i dont know where he got his information. double 720 is 1440. ROFL that was funny. i think we should disregard this topic because if he started out with a false statement, the rest is also false. something so commonly known and he doesnt know. tsk tsk.
let me restate what i said:
By reading the first few lines, this guys doesnt know what he's talking about. i didnt bother reading past the 2nd paragraph. by reading this it made everyone here dumber.
Idiots, P means Progressive. MEANING IT DISPLAYS ALL 720 LINES. As for 720i, it means INTERLACE. It displays half of the720 LINES on every other line and Blend it with the rest of the other line. EXAMPLE, HALF OF 720 IS 360 LINES. IT displays 360 LINES AND BLENDS IT IN WITH THE REST OF THE 360 LINES.
1080i fake resolution? ROFL this guy is a real idiot. 1080i has a better resolution than 720p in stationary shots. it shows greater details. In the USA, 720p is used by ABC, Fox Broadcasting Company and ESPN because the smoother image is desirable for fast-action sports telecasts, whereas 1080i is used by CBS, NBC, HBO, Showtime and Discovery HD due to the crisper picture particularly in non-moving shots
i dont know where he got his information. double 720 is 1440. ROFL that was funny. i think we should disregard this topic because if he started out with a false statement, the rest is also false. something so commonly known and he doesnt know. tsk tsk.
darkjedi187
Smash Cadet
Great info.
hey corporate goon i was wondering if you could comment on any potential lag I would have with brawl on my tv
it is a Mitsubishi WD-57831 and more info about it can be found here
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/j/i/18326/TelevisionDetails/WD57831.html?cid=384
i didn't think I would have any problems but i wasn't sure....
it is a Mitsubishi WD-57831 and more info about it can be found here
http://www.mitsubishi-tv.com/j/i/18326/TelevisionDetails/WD57831.html?cid=384
i didn't think I would have any problems but i wasn't sure....
FartKnocker
Smash Apprentice
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42" Insignia LCD HDTV. Been playing for 2 days. No lag.
I The Nemesis I
Smash Cadet
Awesome thread. Thanks for the info.
well... i cant explain this but i got a new lcd tv and the reaction time is terrible :/. My old tv (not THAT old) takes like 1/10 of a second (extemly fast) while on the lcd tv it takes like a half second before it reacts.... + terrible ghosting-.-
Tofu Beast
Smash Ace
bump!!!!!!!!!
Northbound
Smash Rookie
Thanks for the info, it was very helpful and informative. I had actually bought a 32 inch hdtv aquos sharp when brawl first came out without realizeing that hdtv's lag. I found a gaming mode on my tv and put it to use but it was still unplayable (although bettter). With certain games it doesn't seem so bad and i hardly notice the lag at all. As far as my 360, i don't notice any lag either, granted i've only tested it for a couple minutes. So far, seems like both melee and brawl played on my wii are just unplayable (especially online).
Will19
Smash Apprentice
BUMP!
So, how about playing on a computer LCD-screen?
So, how about playing on a computer LCD-screen?
SRTM
Smash Ace
i recently got an LG 42" 1080p, 240hz tv, with component cables,
and the game runs perfectly.
and the game runs perfectly.
CT Chia
Smash Obsessed
That's quite a TV
I just bought a LG 32" 1080p 60hz and I use component cables and it's practically lag free
TV technology has really improved quite a bit from a while ago. Get a great brand, most have a game mode, use component cables, and you should be fine enough.
I just bought a LG 32" 1080p 60hz and I use component cables and it's practically lag free
TV technology has really improved quite a bit from a while ago. Get a great brand, most have a game mode, use component cables, and you should be fine enough.
Will19
Smash Apprentice
Anyone? -.-
Will19
Smash Apprentice
Please don't fail me, Smashboards. D:
Don’t know but I remember seeing a youtube video that some guy had played SSBB in real HD 720P with all these anti aliasing enhancement.
Matter of fact I was able to find the links to the video
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3173489
http://www.casttv.com/video/676199/super-smash-brothers-brawl-on-dolphin-emulator-hd-video
so to really get the best enhancement I’ll probably invest in an powerful multi core PC
hope this helped
Matter of fact I was able to find the links to the video
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3173489
http://www.casttv.com/video/676199/super-smash-brothers-brawl-on-dolphin-emulator-hd-video
so to really get the best enhancement I’ll probably invest in an powerful multi core PC
hope this helped
Will19
Smash Apprentice
Looks nice in 720p, lol.
But i'm thinking about plugin my Wii straight into a computer screen with some kind of adapter. Bad or good idea?
But i'm thinking about plugin my Wii straight into a computer screen with some kind of adapter. Bad or good idea?
MetalMusicMan
Sleepwalk our lives away.
The only thing that really matters is the response time of your monitor. You will want to shoot for 5ms or less ideally, but 8ms can be okay if you don't mind a -little- lag.
The adapter that you want is a VDIGI adapter, from Wii to VGA. I use one now and it works fantastically.
Only $40 from the VDIGI website: http://www.vdigi.com/index.php?page...ufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
The adapter that you want is a VDIGI adapter, from Wii to VGA. I use one now and it works fantastically.
Only $40 from the VDIGI website: http://www.vdigi.com/index.php?page...ufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
Will19
Smash Apprentice
Thanks, I'll order one of those right away. :D
6Mizu
Smash Champion
This is very good, NEEDS Sticky. I'm almost 16 and I live w/ my parents.....and eventually we're gonna be gettin a new TV I'll be sure to recommend HDTV.
Forget recommend, I'll be sure to get it.
Forget recommend, I'll be sure to get it.
Kuraudo
4Aerith
HMMM... I wonder...
I have a Samsung 52" 1080p LCD TV; 120 htz. I have HD Component Cables (the official ones for the Wii) and it does have a Game Mode. If anyone else who has the same kind of TV as me, could tell me how the lag is, let me know please?
It doesn't even have to be a 52", just the exact same brand and whatnot. Just so I know. I tried it, and I don't know if it's perfect or if I'm just settling for a vague hint of lag or not...
I have a Samsung 52" 1080p LCD TV; 120 htz. I have HD Component Cables (the official ones for the Wii) and it does have a Game Mode. If anyone else who has the same kind of TV as me, could tell me how the lag is, let me know please?
It doesn't even have to be a 52", just the exact same brand and whatnot. Just so I know. I tried it, and I don't know if it's perfect or if I'm just settling for a vague hint of lag or not...
Kuraudo
4Aerith
I'm sorry, Mods if I get infracted for a Double Post.
But seriously, I gotta bump this.
Someone help me out here. I set up my Wii and everything, Game Mode on, HD Component Cables, etc.etc.etc.
But I've still got latency with the Wii, tested out Brawl and my ATs were thrown off. Someone help? I played on a guy's Plasma TV that had zero lag and yet my LCD gives me grief?
But seriously, I gotta bump this.
Someone help me out here. I set up my Wii and everything, Game Mode on, HD Component Cables, etc.etc.etc.
But I've still got latency with the Wii, tested out Brawl and my ATs were thrown off. Someone help? I played on a guy's Plasma TV that had zero lag and yet my LCD gives me grief?
Kuraudo
4Aerith
So... STICKY GUYS?
Help????????
Help????????
basvhout
Smash Apprentice
ok so I got an 1080p TV BRAND NEW... and I just cant fix the lag of brawl? that's the conclusion? :<
really nice post btw
really nice post btw
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