The Current State of the Poké Center

[Mewter]

Well, for what it's worth, the sub-forum was pretty dead and was going through a drought before the social thread was made, and it increased activity in the Poke Center.

I'm not sure about now, but that's what it did in the past. It doesn't serve any real function other than to connect the Pokemon Center group of forummers.

 

[Wave⁂]

Spire, as an honest question, do you think the Snorlax Room will be re-opened?

 

[Spire]

The original? No. The new one? No. A future social thread? Most likely, but if anyone tries to bring the future to the present without my consent, you will be punished.

 

[UltiMario]

Thank you Spire, I've been waiting for a post like that one to come. Maybe by the end you'll see why.

Now I will ask you this: why do you need a social thread so badly that you break the level of respect that we uphold here and within this thread for eachother and for the Poké Center?

I'm not sure what the right expression to use here would be, so I'll give it to you straight.
The Global Rules aren't just a guide for members to follow when posting, it's also a guide for moderators when moderating. You have a job to do, and we have rules to follow. Some weren't following the rules, so you should've done your job, correct? But you didn't. Instead of just punishing those who caused the incidents to make sure they don't happen again, like you are supposed to, you punish the entire forum for select incidents. It's a combination of bad decisions that has caused this mess, and you seem to want to pin all of it on us for what has happened here, while it's also you that could've made the better call.

Is it simply to defy Firus and myself?

What about Chi--- wait... right... not here...
Anywhoo, pretty much the last paragraph. We want to put together the pieces of our mistakes, if it means that tensions will emerge in doing so, so be it. Moderators are trusted by the community, but you can't make the right decision EVERY time, mistakes are inevitable, so pointing them out and fixing them is exactly what I'm doing here.

Is it because you absolutely need to socialize with the people here in a thread not dedicated to Pokémon specifically?

It'd be nice to be able to talk with my friends in a casual discussion, and see interesting input from several people without having to worry about a given timeframe for them to see it, and make a nice place for newbies to pop on in and say hi without cluttering the Poke Center, don't you think? The point of a forum is to socialize. The point of a social thread is to do so freely.

Are you trying to prove something? And also, can you not simply wait until we decide when a social thread is appropriate?

As I said, even as a moderator, it doesn't mean you can always make the right call. From Smashboards I always see extreme leniency or extreme harshness, no happy medium. I want to accomplish something of the sort for everyone to be happy.

I see that you don't like my impatience or persistence either. Well, I'll just give you this little saying, and you go think about it. Maybe you'll see along my path, maybe not.

The timid never reach the land of Truth.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'd like to point out that I no longer have a thread to say "hey look new smogcast"

Not that I need to say it.

 

[Fuelbi]

We also don't have a thread where new people looking to start posting in here can introduce themselves >_>

 

[Terywj [태리]]

UltiMario, I understand how irritated you may be by the situation but there is absolutely no reason for you to fall so low as to create a new social thread, almost directly after Spire said we wouldn't be getting one.

Put it behind yourself, and just continue interacting in the PokeCenter. Do your part, as we will do ours and we will be getting a new social thread in the future.

 

[UltiMario]

Terywj, I would request that you re-read the last sentence of my previous post as a response to that.

Also...

Can't bring the future to the present, eh Spire?

Then you simply drag the future closer, if you pull hard enough, and long enough, it'll land right in front of you.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Terywj, I would request that you re-read the last sentence of my previous post as a response to that.

Also...

Can't bring the future to the present, eh Spire?

Then you simply drag the future closer, if you pull hard enough, and long enough, it'll land right in front of you.

I understand that, but there was not many supportive reasons for you to just disobey the rule set by Spire to just create a new social thread. He said when we earn it we'll earn it, so you could've continued discussion in here instead of making a completely new thread. That's ignoring the problem.

I hope I'm not sounding offensive on the matter, I'm just trying to state things.

 

[Riddle]

Just let this die, guys. Its not getting us a new thread

 

[UltiMario]

The new thread wasn't even a bad thing either. It clearly showed our potential with social threads (as the Snorlax room even did for most of the posts), the only impact it can have in the long run to the community as a whole is positive.

Also, I'll still stand that by global rules, that thread is as perfect and open as could be, it's Spire that closed it, not the rule breaking that closed it.

Also, pessimistic, much, Riddle?

All it takes is for one to find the breaking point, and I'm on its trail.

 

[Riddle]

Ulti, give it a rest. I don't care if you disagree with the system. Complaining isn't going to help. Play nice and maybe we'll get a new social thread.

 

[kirbyraeg]

I'll summarize my opinions thusly:

1: Mods are uptight
2: Members are whiny
3: Laissez-faire is good
4: Smashboards is only one small step above internet sites like 4chan and is basically a smaller GameFAQs so there is no reason to err on the side of over-enforcing unnecessary rules

/thread

 

[UltiMario]

Riddle, I don't wish to pursue an unjust path. These new rules have only caused more problems than we started with, and I'll make sure that gets fixed before it has a chance to really begin.

 

[Spire]

I'll set up this metaphor...

The Poké Center is like a school. Each thread is a classroom. The Snorlax Room was 'the commons' and a bunch of students chose to break a lot of school rules there, and in the fray, a lot of tables and what not were broken. That area is now under construction and until the students of the school can prove that they've matured, the level of strictness will not falter.

Also UltiMario, if I had been infracting you guys like I should have, you would have easily been banned two times by now, if not more. I avoid infracting a lot because I hate banning people, so I try and find another way around the issue; the "other white meat" of modding so to speak. Sometimes instead of infracting, I personally PM people about the issue at hand, but that still doesn't always work. Do you see the position I'm in? As a Super Mod, it's my job to not only help coordinate other mods, but to watch over the entire website and to keep it in order. The infractions are created to punish those who break the rules for the sustenance of order. I've pointed it out many times now that there has been much disarray in the Poké Center, yet like I previously said, instead of infracting you guys to hell, I tried warning you in personal ways, namely by posting in the threads themselves. That never worked, especially in The Snorlax Room. This is why it was closed. I wanted to get a message across to you guys without having to ban you. I appreciate the time and effort that you guys spend helping keep the Poké Center alive, but not all of that time is spent as efficiently as possible, rather quite the contrary with all of the spam.

I'll say this one last time: keep the spam—meaning weak content one-liners and such—out of here. There is no minimum rule, I will not permit it. So long as you can do this, you can be sure that you won't be receiving infractions within this room. Flaming and trolling of course is outright prohibited, but spam is my main concern. It's just clutter and that leads to nothing but having to clean up which is a waste of our time. Firus and I are human too, we go to school, we have jobs, and we have a lot of responsibilities both on and off Smashboards, yet we devote a lot of time to maintaining this place for you guys. The least you could do is comply by the global rules and if you have it in you, abide by our needs. If not, I won't hesitate to infract and/or ban you if your actions prove distasteful enough.

Thank you.

 

[UltiMario]

Except in a school, it actually takes time to repair damage, while on the internet, it takes a split second, with a single click of a button. That metaphor doesn't work because time exists. You need to use something that can be fixed in a split second, just like closing or opening a thread.

Also, if you were irritated at, for example, me for something, don't they have that handy-dandy warning thing for infractions? I never got such a thing, which I would truely expect to get if there was a reason to ban me two times over (off the top of my head, I can't actually think of a reason for it other than 10char dodges... and I normally have a good reason for those.... banned two times over for that? hmmm). There are warning systems in place for a reason, if you actually used the actual warnings, it could've made things go smoother.

Spire, you're even admitting you're not doing your job right, so here's my suggestion:
Start today. Do it right. Use actual warnings if you want to warn people, use actual infractions if you want to punish people. Does everyone ***** when you give them infractions? Normally not. Does everyone ***** about making rules that aren't global rules? Mostly. People don't stop because they don't get infractions or warnings. So do the thing that's better for the life of the community. I don't want this to end like the Disco Room.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Spire, closing the Snorlax Room was the wrong thing to do for a few reasons.

First, it's actually to (snor)lax of a punishment towards the people you say were braking the rules. A mass handout of infractions and a warning post in the thread would have been superior since now, with no common thread to socialize in other threads will become more cluttered and off topic and the apparent "spammers" havent really been punished for it.

Second, you've punished absolutely everyone when only a small group was at fault. To put it in terms of a school, you've suspended everyone because two kids brought alcohol to school.

This needs to be said, to you and to Firus, stop being *****es. The poke center's moderation has always been improper, there's never been a mod who would willingly give out infractions as necessary. You're mods, it's your **** job, dont look for the easy way out.

 

[UltiMario]

Thank you very much, Pink Reaper.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[Fuelbi]

Spire, closing the Snorlax Room was the wrong thing to do for a few reasons.

First, it's actually to (snor)lax of a punishment towards the people you say were braking the rules. A mass handout of infractions and a warning post in the thread would have been superior since now, with no common thread to socialize in other threads will become more cluttered and off topic and the apparent "spammers" havent really been punished for it.

Second, you've punished absolutely everyone when only a small group was at fault. To put it in terms of a school, you've suspended everyone because two kids brought alcohol to school.

This needs to be said, to you and to Firus, stop being *****es. The poke center's moderation has always been improper, there's never been a mod who would willingly give out infractions as necessary. You're mods, it's your **** job, dont look for the easy way out.

PR pretty much put what I'm unable to say and put it better than I would've

 

[Firus]

I can't even reply to half of this thread because I just can't comprehend why chaos has ensued here because a social thread got closed, and why we're honestly comparing the locking of a social thread to the complete insanity that's taking place in the Disco Room right now. I'm not even in there anymore and I know all hell is breaking loose, and the only hell here is that everyone seems to have decided that Spire has it in for all of the regulars here, for some reason.

PR and roacherman, you're right, we haven't had decent moderation that actually was active and/or enforced the rules properly in forever. And for that matter, everyone seemed happy with that. I know everyone wanted actual moderation back in '08, but everyone loved Umbreon as a mod and he never dealt out a single infraction in the PC.

Then Spire posted the announcement saying he was going to crack down on spam and everyone flipped out because he's apparently applying a double standard.

I can't figure out what you guys want anymore. Either we're being too lax or we're not being lax enough, make up your minds.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I can't figure out what you guys want anymore. Either we're being too lax or we're not being lax enough, make up your minds.

That's where the lines show between the two "sides" which are apparent. Which way I vouch this direction continues I cannot affirm to.

 

[Firus]

I thought that at first too, but UltiMario was the one that started the whole thing and then he seconded PR's post which said that we aren't being harsh enough (by the way, I've been a mod for a week now, I'm not ENTIRELY sure how it can be said that I'm not being hard enough).

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I can't figure out what you guys want anymore. Either we're being too lax or we're not being lax enough, make up your minds.

That's where the lines show between the two "sides" which are apparent. Which way I vouch this direction continues I cannot affirm to.

50-Mukking-2 again. Again.

 

[rockem7]

(by the way, I've been a mod for a week now, I'm not ENTIRELY sure how it can be said that I'm not being hard enough).

That's what I've been thinking. In all honesty, I kind of think this talk about leniency (even though Spire admits to it, it's not completely his fault) has a lot to do with Chill never being here. If we're to have three moderators (which I think is a good idea), lets get a third one who actually frequents the PokeCenter.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I've been told by Spire that Chill hasn't had a computer for the longest time. If that's true, then why did he volunteer to be selected to be reModded to the PokeCenter if he's not going to show up. Furthermore, while not having done anything he made a farewell post in the Snorlax Room roughly a week ago. He's still been on the forums through his iPhone or something just not visiting here. I don't think that's good Moderation, if any at all.

 

[rockem7]

I've been told by Spire that Chill hasn't had a computer for the longest time. If that's true, then why did he volunteer to be selected to be reModded to the PokeCenter if he's not going to show up. Furthermore, while not having done anything he made a farewell post in the Snorlax Room roughly a week ago. He's still been on the forums through his iPhone or something just not visiting here. I don't think that's good Moderation, if any at all.

On the topic of Chill, we even sent a message to Forum Support about it, yet nothing has happened. So we're not complaining aimlessly without trying to do anything about it.

Also, just a question, has anyone really used the Report button on what they thought was spam? If not, then truly, a complaint on leniency is kind of says "I'm lazy and want the Mods to do everything." Yes, it is their job and they were chosen to do it, but they can't be everywhere at once, and reporting things makes their job easier. Truly it's just about having a sense of empathy.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Firus that statement was less of a "Stop being like this" and more of a "DONT become like this" towards you.

And personally I dont want to be grouped with the people who think the loss of the SR is some overly drastic measure. Action needed to be taken, it was just that Spire took the WRONG action. It wasnt a punishment in any way shape or form and at the end of the day it's more detrimental to the PC than it is anything else.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Firus that statement was less of a "Stop being like this" and more of a "DONT become like this" towards you.

And personally I dont want to be grouped with the people who think the loss of the SR is some overly drastic measure. Action needed to be taken, it was just that Spire took the WRONG action. It wasnt a punishment in any way shape or form and at the end of the day it's more detrimental to the PC than it is anything else.

I'm with him, I think being melo-dramatic is just funny, and it's fun to read this thread honestly.
Everything he said applies for me.


As for Chill, I haven't seen him since I graduated which was in... May25ish of this year? So yeah, I agree with that too. Is there a way to report that now, cause I would as well Rockem.

On a third note, I assumed only mods could "report" >_> Learn something new every day.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'm still not sure what closing the Snorlax Room is trying to accomplish. No one has explained this to me.

 

[Wave⁂]

Okay, totally refreshed to see if it was posted, and this happened.

 

[UltiMario]

I thought that at first too, but UltiMario was the one that started the whole thing and then he seconded PR's post which said that we aren't being harsh enough (by the way, I've been a mod for a week now, I'm not ENTIRELY sure how it can be said that I'm not being hard enough).

I'd rather have to be infracted for doing something wrong rather than taking away our privileges to even post to make sure it doesn't happen.

You punish the people that need to be punished, you don't punish the people that don't need to be punished. You guys have to learn that you have to infract to punish the troublemakers rather than letting the troublemakers free and everyone else gets the REAL punishment, punishment for nothing.

You guys are mods. Do your job right, or don't do it at all, there's plenty of other people in the PC that can certainly fill the role.

The whole point of this thread is that the mods aren't doing their jobs right, you don't punish the whole room for a few posts. PR is telling you to do your ****ing jobs right, of course I agree with him. At least I've been LISTENING to some of your arguments and seeing points to moderation being a bit more tight, but you guys don't back down from these ridiculous moderating claims one bit.

Also, you guys are always hitting too lax or too harsh because not a single moderator has seemed to give a **** about ANYONE'S OPINION that is not a moderator ever. EVER. These are what allow there to be perfect mediums, but if you reject EVERY SINGLE NON-MODERATOR OPINION, then it never happens. Let us socialize, and there are global rules there for a reasons. If the moderation team is too lazy to actually moderate, and instead just bans socializing so they don't actually have to bother moderating, then you don't deserve the title.

 

[Wave⁂]

I'd rather have to be infracted for doing something wrong rather than taking away our privileges to even post to make sure it doesn't happen.

I call false dichotomy

Actually, I call false dichotomy on this entire thread and this entire issue

 

[rockem7]

Is there a way to report that now, cause I would as well Rockem.

On a third note, I assumed only mods could "report" >_> Learn something new every day.

To the top part, send something with your opinion on it to Forum Support, and maybe they'll respond to you. They didn't respond to Riddle, who had a very well thought out message.

And by report, I meant clicking the report button at the top of a post. It sends some sort of notification to a moderator (I believe).

And Wave, the closing of the Snorlax Room was Spire's way of saying we spam too much, and hopefully we won't spam as much after this experience. Or at least that's what I've interpreted.

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

I call false dichotomy

Actually, I call false dichotomy on this entire thread and this entire issue

Can you give me a link so I can learn what means?

To the top part, send something with your opinion on it to Forum Support, and maybe they'll respond to you. They didn't respond to Riddle, who had a very well thought out message.

And by report, I meant clicking the report button at the top of a post. It sends some sort of notification to a moderator (I believe).

And Wave, the closing of the Snorlax Room was Spire's way of saying we spam too much, and hopefully we won't spam as much after this experience. Or at least that's what I've interpreted.

The red Triangle? >_> By the little things like the Mushroom premium and such?

Also the thread is to resolve this issue, I think...

 

[Terywj [태리]]

As for Chill, I haven't seen him since I graduated which was in... May 25ish of this year? So yeah, I agree with that too. Is there a way to report that now, cause I would as well Rockem.

Chill has never been around since April. We really need to do something about without a full board of Moderators it only adds fuel to these revolutionaries' flames.

 

[Wave⁂]

Can you give me a link so I can learn what means?

Video game morality. Either you shoot the children and feed their corpses to sharks, or you can give the children a cardboard box full of kittens.

And Wave, the closing of the Snorlax Room was Spire's way of saying we spam too much, and hopefully we won't spam as much after this experience. Or at least that's what I've interpreted.

How the **** will that fix anything? Where is this logic? Closing a thread of spam does not shut down our alleged spam needs. I suppose completely quitting heroin all at once is a good thing. No such thing as cold turkey.

Also, more evidence that this was a bad idea:
stupid **** like this happened

 

[Ryu Shimazu]

Chill has never been around since April. We really need to do something about without a full board of Moderators it only adds fuel to these revolutionaries' flames.

Your second sentence doesn't make sense to me. We really need to do something about... without a board full of Moderators it only adds fuel to these revolutionaries' flames/....

Are you missing a direct object or something? Like it?

Not trying to be a Grammar Nazi, just confused.


Back on topic we should, three mods with some precise discipline, a social thread would be fine. Also off topic a tad, but what is the disco room and what is going on? I'm curious D=

@ Wave: I just read that means you act like you have two options when there are actually more than 2.

Like: "America. Love it or leave it"

 

[Riddle]

We need an orderly way of making sure everyones ideas are heard mod and non-mod. Lets stop flaming people and mods and have an intelligent calm discussion about this.

 

[Fuelbi]

Also off topic a tad, but what is the disco room and what is going on? I'm curious D=

The DR is a premium only room that used to be spam central until it got boring :/

 

[M.K]

Shimazu, it's basic. Chill needs to leave so that lil ol' Tery can get his wish and become a moderator like he has always wanted. It's simple as that, and he's trying to avoid directly saying it.
Lolololololol, the day that happens is the day you'll never see me in this board again.