The Counter Game III: READ THE RULES BEFORE POSTING. Join the fun!

[kirbyraeg]

No reason to do that, just don't apply this stuff when scoring a Dream World Counter:

If you're using a Pokemon from the same tier as the Pokemon you are countering, you don't get any bonus points. However, if you use a Pokemon one tier lower than the Pokemon you're countering you get +1.
BL Pokemon countering OU: +1
UU Pokemon countering BL: +1
NU Pokemon countering UU: +1
UU Pokemon countering OU: +2
NU Pokemon countering BL: +2
NU Pokemon countering OU: +3

edit: the counter game used to be a lot more thorough...looking at the first page makes it seem like a whole different community.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

So Dream World abilities are go?

 

[xLeafybug =D]

I say we don't include Dream World abilties, as there are people here who don't fully understand them all, as they're waiting for the NA release (me).

 

[Wave⁂]

I think most everyone here understands Speed Boost.

Smuglord @ Life Orb
Modest / Perversity
252 SpAtk / 252 Speed / 4 HP
Leaf Storm
Hyper Beam
HP Fire
Substitute

 

[Terywj [태리]]

But Leafy's point is that not everyone understands Perversity.

 

[xLeafybug =D]

Exactly. There's no reason I could possibly have for knowing stuff from Gen V, and I shouldn't be penalized because I don't know.

 

[Wrath`]

What about dream World abilities we do know of, like Blaziken@Speed Boost or Politoed@ Drizzle?

 

[xLeafybug =D]

What would be the point in that? Without knowing/allowing all of them, it just gives certain Pokemon advantages that no other Pokemon gets.

I say we just scrap the whole Dream World thing until the NA B/W release. But apparently, that's just me.

 

[UltiMario]

How about we scrap it until all 5th Gen moves/abilities are fully understood in general?

 

[Wrath`]

What would be the point in that? Without knowing/allowing all of them, it just gives certain Pokemon advantages that no other Pokemon gets.

I say we just scrap the whole Dream World thing until the NA B/W release. But apparently, that's just me.

I saw a list of all the previous 493 pokemon's DW abilities, but yeah we should probably just wait until everything is translated or NA release.

 

[mood4food77]

so blaziken is discounted?

if so

Hippowdon @ Leftovers
Sand Stream / Careful
252 HP / 84 Def / 172 SpD
Earthquake
Stone Edge
Slack Off
Curse

 

[kirbyraeg]

so booooooooooring.

Vileplume @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Def
Modest/Chlorophyll

Sleep Powder
Substitute
Leech Seed
Sludge Bomb

 

[M.K]

Ariados @ Life Orb
Adamant // Insomnia
252 Attack/252 Speed / 6 Sp. defense
-Dig
-Poison Jab
-Bug Bite
-Sucker Punch

 

[kirbyraeg]

Ariados @ Life Orb
Adamant // Insomnia
252 Attack/252 Speed / 6 Sp. defense
-Dig
-Poison Jab
-Bug Bite
-Sucker Punch

Leech Seed on the switch-in, Sub-stall for 5 turns, then KO with Sludge Bomb.

Actually, I can 3hko with Sludge Bomb while you can't 2hko.

 

[TFS]

so booooooooooring.

Vileplume @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 SpAtk/4 Def
Modest/Chlorophyll

Sleep Powder
Substitute
Leech Seed
Sludge Bomb

Growlithe @ Lum Berry
Modest / Flash Fire
252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Spe
~Overheat
~Hidden Power: Ground
~Fire Blast
~Dragon Pulse

 

[Druggedfox]

Someone should pick blissey for the next counter xDDD

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Chansey @ Leftovers
Natural Cure / Bold
252 HP / 252 Def / 4 Sp Def
~ Wish
~ Protect
~ Seismic Toss
~ Toxic

 

[kirbyraeg]

Bellsprout @ Leftovers
252 Spe/252 SpAtk/4 Def

Substitute
Leech Seed
Sludge Bomb
Protect

 

[Terywj [태리]]

That's debatable, isn't it?

Also, when do we get to legitimately use Black / White stuff?

 

[kirbyraeg]

Yeah that counter doesn't work, lol, I think you have more PP.

I think we're waiting until we have full B/W data before we allow them.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

I think it's against the rules for me to counter my own Pokemon?

And alright, that sounds reasonable.

 

[UltiMario]

Toxicroak@Leftovers
Adamant/Dry Skin
4HP/252Atk/252Spe
Swords Dance
Cross Chop
Sucker Punch
Stone Edge

 

[kirbyraeg]

Claydol @ Leftovers
252 HP/252 Def/4 Spe
Bold / Levitate

Calm Mind
Shadow ball
Psychic
Rest

Pretty sure I can do whatever I want and beat you with psychic?

 

[IC3R]

What if he predicts the Psychic and hits you with a +6 Sucker Punch?

 

[xLeafybug =D]

What do you mean, +6 Sucker Punch?

If Claydol can survive a +2 Sucker Punch, Claydol is a legit counter. I'm too lazy to Calc it myself.

 

[IC3R]

Eh, whatever... haven't been here in a while.

I wanna use Shandera to counter Claydol, but that's illegal, and just plain unfair!
(Broken Poke is broken)

 

[Platypus]

I don't know how many times to repeat this: OU and BL do not give different "underdog" scores. Slowpoke gives NU points.
B/W and the fail-chain before Regice have been discounted.

Against Claydol:

Absol w/Chople Berry
Mild/Pressure
240 Atk./ 240 Sp. Atk./ 30 Speed
+ Thunder
+ Punishment
+ Zen Headbutt
+ Blizzard
I wish Attract wasn't banned.
-Weren't banned.
SCORE!
OU, BL+1 UU+2 NU+3 Counter Fail+5 Tier below defender+1 (NU, UU, BL/OU)
NJzFinest, Meta-Kirby - 6; B T, Sir Bedevere - 5; jigglyppuff8 - 4; ss118 - 3; TFS - 2; LASHING LEAF - 1
Cease Tick - 18
cheeseball341 - 28 +5!
Circa - 25
Druggedfox - 13
IceArrow - 30
kirbyraeg - 43 +5!
Melfice z - 32
Metal~Mario - 54
mood4food77 - 45
Moozle - 33
Pink Reaper - 21
Platypus - 67
PowerBomb - 18
Riddle - 36
RuNNing Riot - 36
Terywj - 86 +5! +5!!
The Real Gamer -31
The Wrath of Koarin - 16
UltiMario - 40
Wave+ - 27 +5!
WouW - 10
Wrath` - 14
xLeafybug =D - 30

 

[Circa]

Pinsir @ Life Orb
Adamant / Mold Breaker
4 HP / 252 Attack / 252 Spe
- X-Scissor
- Earthquake
- Stone Edge
- Focus Punch

Hm.

 

[Platypus]

Huzzah, a rule update! Waiting for Black and White, I be.
SHANDERA/FOCUS SASH/FLASH FIRE/MAX SPEED/MAX SP. ATK./4HP/Taunt/Nitro Charge/ Shadow Ball/ Overheat--Anti-Lead with Nitro Charge as Sash-breaker
Against Pinsir:
Dusclops w/Leftovers
Relaxed/Pressure
240 HP/ 30 Sp. Atk./ 240 Def.
+ Will-o-wisp
+ Calm Mind
+ Focus Blast
+ Protect
After you take out around half, you burn. You'll run out of Stone Edges before you can win.


SCORE!
OU, BL+1 UU+2 NU+3 Counter Fail+5 Tier below defender+1 (NU, UU, BL/OU)
NJzFinest, Meta-Kirby - 6; B T, Sir Bedevere - 5; jigglyppuff8 - 4; ss118 - 3; TFS - 2; LASHING LEAF - 1
Cease Tick - 18
cheeseball341 - 33
Circa - 29
Druggedfox - 13
IceArrow - 30
kirbyraeg - 48
Melfice z - 32
Metal~Mario - 54
mood4food77 - 45
Moozle - 33
Pink Reaper - 21
Platypus - 68
PowerBomb - 18
Riddle - 36
RuNNing Riot - 36
Terywj - 96
The Real Gamer -31
The Wrath of Koarin - 16
UltiMario - 40
Wave+ - 32
WouW - 10
Wrath` - 14
xLeafybug =D - 30

 

[mood4food77]

Drifblim @ Lum Berry
Unburdern / Timid
252 SpA / 252 Spe / 6 Def
Substitute
Shadow Ball
Thunderbolt
Hypnosis

 

[Circa]

Shiftry @ Leftovers
Modest / Early Bird
252 HP / 252 SAtk / 4 Spe (30 Atk, 30 SAtk, 30 Spe IV)
- Nasty Plot
- Energy Ball
- Dark Pulse
- HP Fire

EDIT: Edited to better work.

 

[mood4food77]

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Blaze / Naive
252 Spe / 176 SpA / 82 Atk
Superpower
Fire Blast
Brave Bird
Vacuum Wave

 

[kirbyraeg]

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
252 Def/252 SpDef/4 HP
Impish / Sticky Hold

Stockpile
Toxic
Recover
Earthquake

This can stockpile/recover in your face and finish you off with either EQ or Toxic.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Tropius @ White Herb
Solar Power / Modest
252 HP / 252 Sp Atk / 4 Spd
~ Leaf Storm
~ Air Slash
~ Leech Seed
~ Substitute

Hooray for coverage. Or lack of.

 

[Circa]

Jynx @ Leftovers
Timid / does it really matter?
4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spe
- Substitute
- Nasty Plot
- Lovely Kiss
- Blizzard

 

[Wrath`]

Houndoom@Charcoal
Timid/Early Bird
252SpA/252Spe/4SpD
~Flamethrower
~Dark Pulse
~Nasty Plot
~Thunder Fang(I think he gets this)

 

[mood4food77]

when can we use 5th gen shenanigans?

 

[asianaussie]

Charizard @ Life Orb
Jolly/Blaze
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Stone Edge
~ Earthquake
~ Flare Blitz

bring on the dragons

 

[Terywj [태리]]

when can we use 5th gen shenanigans?

Not until Black and White are released in America.

 

[UltiMario]

I vote for earlier than that

Seriously lol.

Also we need to open a Counter Game IV for it.