Suic
Smash Cadet
Ahh I see; well that makes sense. Until/If that happens, I suppose I'll use the ASL to keep both versions handy (since I kind of like the current aspect of the unedited stage).
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The Competitive Brawl Stage Hacking Hub: Dat Valentine's Day Status
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SuperGuzzi
Smash Journeyman
you have any idea for SMI+? and MK1-2 is alredy made, but there isn't ane MK1-1+ if yuo have any idea for those levels tellus
ValTroX
Smash Ace
there was an idea a while back Guzzi, lemme look in the thread to see if i can link it to ya
Edit: Here it is Guzzi
Edit: Here it is Guzzi
Edit Edit: I guess it should only have ledges on the lower platform, no floor and no annoying wallsI suggest you add this stage to your exception list, good sir.
*goes back to lurking*
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i don't come on for one night and you people suddenly get active again. >_>
it wasn't really an issue, it just would look weird to fly through the stage when you weren't actually touching the water.
i'm almost positive i know how to keep it (and concurrently edit it). if i'm right, i can get DP+ working (though legal is an entirely different matter).
but... but TF2...
MK 1-2 needs a lot of work. i actually think we need to add ledges to the stage. its just so easy to die there (plus the HUD gets in the way o f seeing the actual stage).
i was looking for that. most of it is just removing polygons/editing collisions. can probably get something up by tonight.
ValTroX
Smash Ace
FroHo, don't you think that layour will be WAY too campy? I was thinking that it could work better if you merge both platforms and include edges everywhere( on lower and upper)
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
we'll have to see. it could be a campy layout, but i'd rather see it in-game before i make a decision on it.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i've started work on SMI+. right now its early... i guess you could say beta, but its really not even that. layout is looking good, and collisions are (mostly) working. once i get it all working right its pretty much all removing polygons.
SuperGuzzi
Smash Journeyman
I'm waiting for that, but i have a question, why the codec don't work in Brawl+, and if i'm doing wrong something, the + version will have teh codecs call?
ValTroX
Smash Ace
Guzzi, I've notice some hitbox error on the left side of the box in GHZ+, try a Mario fireball from the left. I guess it doesn't matter much cause you are working on getting a spring there but I guess I should let you know 
Mattnumbers
Smash Master
Caaaaaaaallinnnnng to the niiiiiiiiiiiight
Epic Kovumon
Smash Journeyman
I can't seem to get Rumble Falls+ to work, is there a certain code I need?
Yes, I used the module, too.
Yes, I used the module, too.
ValTroX
Smash Ace
well, I use it with B+ latest codeset, it's works wonderfully.
Epic Kovumon
Smash Journeyman
I wanna use it with vBrawl.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
it works in vbrawl. just make sure you have the file patch code on. .rel goes in the module folder and the pac goes in the melee folder.
Epic Kovumon
Smash Journeyman
Oh yeah the module folder, I forgot about that. Thanks.
NAMQ_DrunkeNFeasT
Smash Journeyman
GHZ+ with a spring...
- hmmm dk will prolly do wonders with he's Side B there ^^ he can spam it and the hitbox appears, rack up damage heavenly
dk cancels upward momentum when jump with the spring, so yeah
- marth can counter and get he's inv. from it and even hit and also cancels the momentum
- mario can cape like crazy but it's not a problem
- peach also gets her inv from toad and the pollen hit and no lag at all
I can't remember of another character that might be a problem
the spring is for me a weird idea
but yet, can give a different aspect of a counterpick stage, with a new hazard
- hmmm dk will prolly do wonders with he's Side B there ^^ he can spam it and the hitbox appears, rack up damage heavenly
dk cancels upward momentum when jump with the spring, so yeah
- marth can counter and get he's inv. from it and even hit and also cancels the momentum
- mario can cape like crazy but it's not a problem
- peach also gets her inv from toad and the pollen hit and no lag at all
I can't remember of another character that might be a problem
the spring is for me a weird idea
but yet, can give a different aspect of a counterpick stage, with a new hazard
Cos.
Smash Journeyman
I wasn't quite sure if this would be the right topic to post in, so please forgive my ignorance, should I have made a mistake therein.
I had checked the brawl+ stage legality discussion, but hadn't found anywhere a list of pros and cons of the indiviudal stages. Actually, I suppose it would be nice to have a listing of all the stages in regard to what hazards, specialities, quirks and uniquenesses are found on the stage. Then would need to be listed how desirable, or not, these individiual features are. Then comes the part more relevant for this thread: What should be done about more severe grievences of the stage and what options are even given considering the momentary hacking status. Such a list would require time to make, but if everyone contributes a little (and we use a portion of the knowledge already provided... whereever it might be in the moment), we could have a nice list regarding Brawl+ and its respective stages. I suppose a second list would be good to discuss the bugs and advantages and disadvantages of the respectively hacked stages... but I guess that would fit into the stage legality discussion (I'm sorry if I'm seeming to have difficulties separating the two threads in full... they somehow coointeract in my mind :/ )
Anyhow, theory is all fun and good, but I start a simple example (most likely not good example :/ ):
Bridge of Eldin (original status):
Background info: The stage is taken from the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Eldin Bridge where Link fights King... etc...
Stage characteristics:
Death Boundary: Large
Stage Size: Large
Platforms:
Has no platforms, has no ledges*, has walk off edges.
* has ledges when the central section of the bridge is removed for a short time
Hazards:
King Bulbo rides and attacks players, commonly a bomb is thrown onto the stage and removes a large segement of the stage.
Negative effects on play and severity: (Hhm, here I'm assuming that game play should be kept quick, but more importantly, flowing)
Walk off edges (okay, I admit, I personally loath walk off edges... camping can be such a pain and it disturbs the game flow) - severe (needs to be changed as they are permanent), King Bulbo riding - none to minor (is easy to avoid, announced half an hour early, gives little damage and hardly combos, play can continue with hardly any problems), Bomb - minor to moderate (the bomb can admittably kill, making players take the time to avoid, as it's in the middle of the stage, but it's not surprising or hard to avoid), Level gap - moderate (the big gap in the middle is quite tedious, often players are on the opposite sides... not fun for fluid gameplay)
Stage appeal:
King Bulbo riding on the stage is win :D . That a section of the bridge is destroyed
is an interesting idea, would be nice to keep. Stage has a nice Zelda feel
Propositions for changes (my personal stage editing capabilities are non existant, so please correct, or bear with me on this point... and it's only an example ):
Walk off edges (even though I hate them) can remain if there is an istance which forces players often enough towards the center of the stage (the momentary Eldin+ does this... on one side of the stage). Is it possible to create two bombs (mainly for grapical and logical reasons), and is it possibily to temporarily remove two segements of the bridge, so the walk off is gone? (just need something grapical to make it look like something is holding the bridge up...) etc, etc...
Well, that was just an example of how the stages could be discussed and input could be given for the stage modders (sorry, if I'm not giving you credit, I'm aware a lot of work has been done )
That said I'm liking the stages presented here, even if I'm a Pal player (curses at only being at version 4.1...), but I've gotten all the stages here to work on pal Brawl+ (using riivolution and Pal Brawl+ codes). Maybe I can even be off some use in that way as I can help find some bugs, if they appear differently in Pal...
I'll leave it at that for now. Most people don't like reading long posts containing too much bla, bla...
I had checked the brawl+ stage legality discussion, but hadn't found anywhere a list of pros and cons of the indiviudal stages. Actually, I suppose it would be nice to have a listing of all the stages in regard to what hazards, specialities, quirks and uniquenesses are found on the stage. Then would need to be listed how desirable, or not, these individiual features are. Then comes the part more relevant for this thread: What should be done about more severe grievences of the stage and what options are even given considering the momentary hacking status. Such a list would require time to make, but if everyone contributes a little (and we use a portion of the knowledge already provided... whereever it might be in the moment), we could have a nice list regarding Brawl+ and its respective stages. I suppose a second list would be good to discuss the bugs and advantages and disadvantages of the respectively hacked stages... but I guess that would fit into the stage legality discussion (I'm sorry if I'm seeming to have difficulties separating the two threads in full... they somehow coointeract in my mind :/ )
Anyhow, theory is all fun and good, but I start a simple example (most likely not good example :/ ):
Bridge of Eldin (original status):
Background info: The stage is taken from the Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess Eldin Bridge where Link fights King... etc...
Stage characteristics:
Death Boundary: Large
Stage Size: Large
Platforms:
Has no platforms, has no ledges*, has walk off edges.
* has ledges when the central section of the bridge is removed for a short time
Hazards:
King Bulbo rides and attacks players, commonly a bomb is thrown onto the stage and removes a large segement of the stage.
Negative effects on play and severity: (Hhm, here I'm assuming that game play should be kept quick, but more importantly, flowing)
Walk off edges (okay, I admit, I personally loath walk off edges... camping can be such a pain and it disturbs the game flow) - severe (needs to be changed as they are permanent), King Bulbo riding - none to minor (is easy to avoid, announced half an hour early, gives little damage and hardly combos, play can continue with hardly any problems), Bomb - minor to moderate (the bomb can admittably kill, making players take the time to avoid, as it's in the middle of the stage, but it's not surprising or hard to avoid), Level gap - moderate (the big gap in the middle is quite tedious, often players are on the opposite sides... not fun for fluid gameplay)
Stage appeal:
King Bulbo riding on the stage is win :D . That a section of the bridge is destroyed
is an interesting idea, would be nice to keep. Stage has a nice Zelda feel
Propositions for changes (my personal stage editing capabilities are non existant, so please correct, or bear with me on this point... and it's only an example
):Walk off edges (even though I hate them) can remain if there is an istance which forces players often enough towards the center of the stage (the momentary Eldin+ does this... on one side of the stage). Is it possible to create two bombs (mainly for grapical and logical reasons), and is it possibily to temporarily remove two segements of the bridge, so the walk off is gone? (just need something grapical to make it look like something is holding the bridge up...) etc, etc...
Well, that was just an example of how the stages could be discussed and input could be given for the stage modders (sorry, if I'm not giving you credit, I'm aware a lot of work has been done
)That said I'm liking the stages presented here, even if I'm a Pal player (curses at only being at version 4.1...), but I've gotten all the stages here to work on pal Brawl+ (using riivolution and Pal Brawl+ codes). Maybe I can even be off some use in that way as I can help find some bugs, if they appear differently in Pal...
I'll leave it at that for now. Most people don't like reading long posts containing too much bla, bla...
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
that stuff needs to be kept in the legality topic as it pertains to what makes each stage legal/nonlegal. the only part of that which would be relevant here is the propositions for each stage.
as for your question regarding BoE, no, it is not possible to have 2 destructible blocks (at least not with the time i have).
as for your question regarding BoE, no, it is not possible to have 2 destructible blocks (at least not with the time i have).
![[TSON]](/data/avatars/l/114/114196.jpg?1360761019){kind=avatar}
[TSON]
Hella.
nobody touch mario bros
i call dibs
kthxbai
(also minor, can you get rid of the walls underneath pictoplus, so it looks normal when you fall under it while holding towards the stage)
i call dibs
kthxbai
(also minor, can you get rid of the walls underneath pictoplus, so it looks normal when you fall under it while holding towards the stage)
RPGsFTW
Smash Ace
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Oooh. What do you have in mind? I'm interested.
Kati
Smash Lord
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Is there a plan for Green greens as of yet? I think someone already spoke about this, but I think making dreamland 64 wouldn't be a bad idea. I don't know about you guys, but the size of the stage, especially the platform height, and the wind really made dreamland 64 a stand out in melee for me.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i'm taking a look at it today/this next week. it should be possible, though i'll need some guidance removing the blocks/apples (i'd really like to not have to use a freeze code for this stage).
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
Personally, I don't think the blocks should be all gone, but just limited to a maximum of two rows, like how it was previously planned. But the bomb blocks needs to all go, though... And I don't find the apples that big of a deal, but that's me.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
.rels let us have two versions. we can have DL64 and GG+ (whenever someone gets around to it).
ValTroX
Smash Ace
That sounds great FroHo and I agree with PC's idea on 2 rows of blocks, no bombs, but I do think apples are a bother.
Also PC, I don't know if I should post this here but I'll do it since it's the best way to contact you: On your common5, the SSEJungle on the other stages tab loads 75m for some reason(and there's no need to have 2 jungles on SSS anyway)
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
That's how it's supposed to work. The game is limiting the number of icons we can have, so we can't have a different icon for each and every stage. What YEROC (so I'm not even the one that coded it; I just made the common5 to fit what was desired) did was make it so the main stage gets the icons, while the stages on the other page simple uses the same icon due to icon amount limitations. Yeroc did this so that anyone weird enough to watch to play on Flatzone 2, 75m, and Hyrule Temple (both versions) can, since before, those stages were purely inaccessible.
EDIT: So...
SSE: Jungle icon gets you SSE: Jungle on the main page and 75m on the other page.
WWR icon gets you WWR on the main page and Flatzone 2 on the other page.
Temple icon gets you (the shrunken) Temple+ on the main page and regular Temple on the other page.
EDIT: So...
SSE: Jungle icon gets you SSE: Jungle on the main page and 75m on the other page.
WWR icon gets you WWR on the main page and Flatzone 2 on the other page.
Temple icon gets you (the shrunken) Temple+ on the main page and regular Temple on the other page.
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i believe i've learned how to successfully move the custom stage pieces into place, so i'll try to get a working version of SMI+ up later (hopefully tonight).
i'm also taking another crack at spear pillar. i have a plan, and i'm going to get it to work.
i'm also taking another crack at spear pillar. i have a plan, and i'm going to get it to work.
Shadic
Alakadoof?
You didn't know that? Bug me on AIM if you're still having issues.
[TSON]
Hella.
I was either thinking:
Only enemies on the bottom, one dotted platform in the middle, adjust camera and boundaries (and make less enemies spawn if possible)
or
No enemies, one dotted platform in the middle, adjust camera and boundaries (think walkoff yoshi's island basically, and without the tilting platform/ghosts)
I kind of want the enemies there though because they'd keep it from being a traditional/annoying walkoff
what do you guys think?
or should i just do no walkoff at all?
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
i've known how to do it for a while, but it was refusing to work on SMI (i made ****ing summit+. i think i know how to move things in bbox >_>).
anyway, i have a version of spear pillar that i'm currently getting people to test (i'm at work right now, so no wii).
ValTroX
Smash Ace
Great FroHo, let us know if we can help
RPGsFTW
Smash Ace
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TSON, by dotted platform, do you mean broken apart into multiple platforms in the same line?
(Ex: - - - *dotted/broken* rather than --- *connected*)
Maybe make a crappy Paint picture so I can understand your concept a little better.
About the enemies at all though, would they even really be useful? Couldn't we hit them and just abuse their absurd throw power?
(Ex: - - - *dotted/broken* rather than --- *connected*)
Maybe make a crappy Paint picture so I can understand your concept a little better.
About the enemies at all though, would they even really be useful? Couldn't we hit them and just abuse their absurd throw power?
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
just gonna drop this here...
the final version will have the platforms moved down/frozen.
the final version will have the platforms moved down/frozen.
Perfect Chaos
Smash Master
Looks good. amazing! And having the platforms moved down but still in motion would totally be better than being frozen in place, so let's hope you can do that. Also, the hazards are probably gone (I'm assuming), but do the Pokémon still show up in the background? (I sure hope they still do.)
FrozenHobo
Smash Hero
yes to everything, but the hazards are still there (**** palkia). it wouldn't be so bad if palkia would just not swap the camera... if i can fix that through editing the animation then we'll be able to leave it unfrozen, otherwise code time.