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yeah i figured that out a couple days ago too. it works with nair as well. pretty cool. i was labbing for a while a ledge drop -> dj air dodge onto stage, you can cancel the landing frames on the air dodge from that as well. that timing is REALLY strict, you must buffer the air dodge and jump right after you ledge drop. prob only 1 frame window.
I'd honestly just F/Bthrow them offstage after a pummel or two against a Mario if I had a grab at that percent. Uair true combos without DI but I don't think it will with DI away so, in terms of damage, you're better off just not using Dthrow. You could also go for a Dthrow and bait out an airdodge or second jump by threatening with a Uair but it's up to you. Personally, I would just prioritize stage control at that high of a percent and go for your kill some other way.
The thing with Link sounds like it would work but you would probably have to start hitting him with flamethrower on the way down from your SH to hit him during lag. Also, watch out for custom boomerangs at locals (if you all use them) because there's a custom boomerang that has a hitbox on the way back as well.
That all makes sense, thanks. Speaking of that height, I've also noticed that if you FB into the top of taller characters, you can act out of it before you hit the ground on hit or block.
matchup was very winnable for and now that I realize just how many situations OOS up-b works in, I feel the same way. It's 55:45 Sheik's favor at best. with Zard in bracket tonight, but the player was definitely better than me so I'm not very salty. It reinforced my opinion that wins that MU. I got scooped into the textbook upair-upair-upari-upb combo on Town & City while at 20% and still lived because Zard is so heavy. Lost the game last stock last hit. Empty-hopping is really good against MK because of how ftilt and dtilt outspace him.
Dtilt's hitlag change...any chance that is a result of the move getting a 2 frame buff since 1.0.0?
Well, whether it's actually proof of a 2 frame buff or not, having 2 frames safer on shield is a pretty big thing in the current meta. Say you ran up to someone and dtilted and they shielded. Maybe having 2 frames safer on shield allows you to catch their "punish" with a jab, Zard's fastest move
This might be a dumb suggestion but can you space your Fly far enough from the ledge to make it awkward or impossible for him to get around you for the bair? Fly ledgesnaps from surprisingly far, or sometimes I'll intentionally just miss the ledge snap which puts some hitboxes above the height of the ledge, potentially catching them off guard.
I do try that, I'm not sure on the specific frames but it seems like he's able to hit me at the start and the end of the animation. So if I go for a max range fly to snap he's able to catch me right before I grab the ledge. If I try and do it quickly he will hit me before I get the super armor. What you suggested did work for me once, I managed to stage spike him as he ran off but I chalked it up to more of a mistake on his part. Luckily it's really just Marth that has been happening with, my friend tried it with Metaknight but it wasn't working out to well for him.
Ledge trump Bair is a thing. High risk high reward but it's still a thing. I've gotten it to work in tournament. Definitely doesn't feel guaranteed though. Covering the regrab is usually optimal unless you are desperate or want to style, as others have said.
You get super armor for the very beginning of Fly. He should only be able to hit you shortly after you start rising to the very end. If you mix up when you use Fly (sometimes max height, sometimes min height) it should make it a lot harder for him to stage spike you. If he walks off before you use Fly, try to Fly into him from as close as possible because the armor will protect you. That's how you punish him when he mistimes the walk off. If he doesn't do off stage counters, you can also recover low with Flare Blitz.
Personally, I think ZSS is probably the worst we have in general (like Steeler said). RosaLuma MU is bad if you cover our roll ins and avoid grabs. Sheik MU is bad for obvious reasons. Dedede is a pain. Luigi MU is pretty bad if and only if you get grabs on Zard.
