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Lack of priority is a huge obstacle to tackle. we also are close combat based. even so, running away is severely under used.Hah. If you play similarily to Wario, you'll kick arse.
I honestly believe that Falcon has HUGE potential with this bait-and-punish strategy. He just needs someone to prove it. :V
Eh, the lack of priority is overrated, really. Yes, I'm saying this weakness is overrated. There's quite a few characters that suffer from little priority and still fare well. I think it's more the fact he lacks priority and has pretty awkward and telegraphed hitboxes that are rather hard to hit with because they are either stupidly angled or tiny.Lack of priority is a huge obstacle to tackle. we also are close combat based. even so, running away is severely under used.
Yes, it is. I'd love to see DMG play Falcon like he plays his Wario. That would be really awesome.incorporated into falcons metagame by TKONTK and then reinvented by me, running away is just ****ing awesome.
Don't underestimate Falcon Kick, it's actually pretty good for punishing whiffed aerials (by the way I Falcon Kicked at Meta Knight using UAir and it seemingly pierced through, tho I didn't test to prove that - you might want to check that out if you haven't already).Falcons got the second fastest running speed, and out runs quite a lot of characters by far, he also has a fk which is only good for escapes, and then raptor boosto which is awesome for re entry
Have been visiting these boards since they existed. I just hardly post, haha. Might be staying here more than for lurking, though, you guys aren't so low on the list, right in between Bowser and Fox, so yea. Might even join in on organizing the stuff you guys have here. :3So are you visiting Club Falcon?
Stay as long as you like, we have never really had a broomer here...
Welcome, we can initiate you if you want...
Crappy priority and lack of range can make almost every attack a bad one. Falcons hurtbox and hitbox are ridiculously close and that makes most of his moves not disjointed at all...Eh, the lack of priority is overrated, really. Yes, I'm saying this weakness is overrated. There's quite a few characters that suffer from little priority and still fare well. I think it's more the fact he lacks priority and has pretty awkward and telegraphed hitboxes that are rather hard to hit with because they are either stupidly angled or tiny.
Yes, it is. I'd love to see DMG play Falcon like he plays his Wario. That would be really awesome.
Don't underestimate Falcon Kick, it's actually pretty good for punishing whiffed aerials (by the way I Falcon Kicked at Meta Knight using UAir and it seemingly pierced through, tho I didn't test to prove that - you might want to check that out if you haven't already).
I also think Falcon Dive is a severely underrated move and should be incorporated more - frigging grabbing your enemy all over the place is awesome. Especially if you're able to gimp them with it, heh.
Have been visiting these boards since they existed. I just hardly post, haha. Might be staying here more than for lurking, though, you guys aren't so low on the list, right in between Bowser and Fox, so yea. Might even join in on organizing the stuff you guys have here. :3
I've seen some uses for it, actually. Near the start of the hitbox, the knockback is decent, and the startup delay can mess with your opponents.no falcon kick is pretty bad
even if you hit your punished
if the spotdodge/ airdodge it then they get to edgeguard you
dont use either of the moves in that circumstance, use a shff nair > jab or something other than ****ing kick
Manliness.why use the first hitbox of fk when you could jab jab grab throw and do more damage, and put the opponent in a disadvatageous position to yourself
It does fairly well, priority-wise, against projectiles, stall-n-fall has a mindgame application, and it can be used at ledge (Use it to fly out and hit them)ace whys it good
tell me
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I was talking about normal falcon kick there if you didn't notice >_> my badzit is when you take the same/more from getting punished for it
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we srsly need to play offline but i have travel and parent johns ffffuuu i hate playing people on wifi to show them how much something sucks
It doesn't suck that much... it's application is good. I try hitting with the start of it, because that has the least chance of getting punished. I wouldn't recommend opening up a game with it, nor approaching with it, but be spontaneous in its uses. Falcon Kick has more potential than what little credit P-3 gives it. It's better than Raptor Boost, and out prioritizes Raptor Boost.I was talking about normal falcon kick there if you didn't notice >_> my badz
and uhh, falcon kick can suck, but its not that sucky. you overate its...rate of suck...?wat
Thats what I meant when I saidIt doesn't suck that much... it's application is good. I try hitting with the start of it, because that has the least chance of getting punished. I wouldn't recommend opening up a game with it, nor approaching with it, but be spontaneous in its uses. Falcon Kick has more potential than what little credit P-3 gives it. It's better than Raptor Boost, and out prioritizes Raptor Boost.
It can be bad, but its useful in some situations for the most part.falcon kick can suck, but its not that sucky. you overate its...rate of suck...?wat
no.It doesn't suck that much... it's application is good. I try hitting with the start of it, because that has the least chance of getting punished. I wouldn't recommend opening up a game with it, nor approaching with it, but be spontaneous in its uses. Falcon Kick has more potential than what little credit P-3 gives it. It's better than Raptor Boost, and out prioritizes Raptor Boost.
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Flame really does use falcon kick well thoughim saying
why fk
when you can jab > grab > pummel > throw
more damage, better position for you to be in
You are Falcon, there is no better position to be in, when you're constantly at a disadvantage in most to all of your fights.im saying
why fk
when you can jab > grab > pummel > throw
more damage, better position for you to be in
I am so sick of this BS about how you can jab or grab instead of Falcon Kick. Those options get old, and you would get ***** after taking one stock from the opponent, if you manage, because that's all the figure you're going to use, since those are your "better" options.these ridiculous discussions once ripped the boards in half
fk suck going into the opponent
use it only in the air to **** up tornado
and use it only against a projectile user when you are running away. you shouldn't even hit with it if you use it properly, all you do is use its priority to avoid any projectile that might try and stop you or something
there is no reason to fk when you can jab or grab
rapto boosto >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fk
okayYou are Falcon, there is no better position to be in, when you're constantly at a disadvantage in most to all of your fights.
I am so sick of this BS about how you can jab or grab instead of Falcon Kick. Those options get old, and you would get ***** after taking one stock from the opponent, if you manage, because that's all the figure you're going to use, since those are your "better" options.
Eff jab or grab. I'm going to Falcon Kick you in the nuts, and there's little to nothing you're going to do about it. My jab cancels into grabs will come as I go along, but I'm not relying on them for the entire match because you think that Falcon Kick isn't worth it. Every percent of damage counts toward something.
Do either of you use Falcon Kick toward higher percentages? Like 60%+?
If not, than you belittle Falcon Kick way too much.
I'm sorry, I just can't agree with you. If I go to college, we need to meet up at a local tourney for the south, and we'll play locally, and I'll show you how it's done.okay
jab and grab gets old
you could
sh ac dair, shff nair, dtilt, sh behind and bair, empty sh to jab, etc
fk is not that good at all sorry bro
and no i never use fk
are you saying fK > rb priority wise? yes
as a move wise? hell no
raptor boost has really good shield slide, noone can shield grab it except for like.. dededeI'm sorry, I just can't agree with you. If I go to college, we need to meet up at a local tourney for the south, and we'll play locally, and I'll show you how it's done.
I refuse to accept anything about how Falcon Kick is the last resort/never used option. Red8 said it. My sig is proof. Falcon Kick is good.
Move wise it's better too, because if you if connect with a shield doing a Raptor Boost, you're stuck with lag, in front of your opponent, and with no means of escape. If you miss, you fall with tons of lag.
Falcon Kick, you will end up behind your opponent, some distance away, lag tough to punish due to distance, and you have a means of escape, and it can be canceled on edge.
I think the winning move is clear.
Raptor Boost is fairly easy to power shield, and then bam, you get grabbed, and why would is that you always say "grab" or "jab" as a retaliatory option for almost everything? I'm pretty sure the slide isn't far enough for an OoS not to hit and punish more effectively than a grab.raptor boost has really good shield slide, noone can shield grab it except for like.. dedede
most chars will try to dash grab, and you can jab them out of it
fk when you hit a shield theres enough time for them to walk over and fsmash you
yeah but offline even if they dont expect it they can usually still punish itThen again.
FK is a good out of the blue move.
It really isn't ever expected. You guys are only thinking about the down side of it. Sure they can just block it, and then grab, or tilt after. But that doesn't happen if its used at a good time, where you KNOW they don't expect it.