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The Big MI Discussion Topic
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Pimp Daddy Supreme
gio 2.0
singles at 7? looks like nothing's changed on the brawl end
I'm leaning towards singles only right now, too. Doubles is a time sink at locals, everyone knows it. We can expand the singles tourney to include a play-in, like Dan suggested awhile ago, and I think that would benefit way more people than just running another same old doubles event.
Consider this tourney schedule:
12pm Melee Singles Pools
-- Melee Singles Play-In
3pm Melee Singles Bracket
6pm Brawl Singles Pools
-- Brawl Singles Play-In
9pm Brawl Singles Bracket
For people who forgot about what the Play-In means:
With an example 32-player turnout, you do eight pools of four and have the 3rd and 4th seeds (16 players total) play against each other for the last eight spots in a 24-player bracket. This gives more playing time to the lower seeds who usually tend to go two-and-out in bracket, and additionally gives them more playing time vs opponents of a similar skill level.
A less obvious example is something like a 20-player turnout. In that case you do the same thing except with four pools of five, making the 3rd/4th/5th seeds (12 players total) play against each other for the last four spots in a 12-player bracket.
Consider this tourney schedule:
12pm Melee Singles Pools
-- Melee Singles Play-In
3pm Melee Singles Bracket
6pm Brawl Singles Pools
-- Brawl Singles Play-In
9pm Brawl Singles Bracket
For people who forgot about what the Play-In means:
With an example 32-player turnout, you do eight pools of four and have the 3rd and 4th seeds (16 players total) play against each other for the last eight spots in a 24-player bracket. This gives more playing time to the lower seeds who usually tend to go two-and-out in bracket, and additionally gives them more playing time vs opponents of a similar skill level.
A less obvious example is something like a 20-player turnout. In that case you do the same thing except with four pools of five, making the 3rd/4th/5th seeds (12 players total) play against each other for the last four spots in a 12-player bracket.
Soloist
Smash Ace
Early singles is a good idea.
I haven't been to a tourney in forever, but I hated waiting for doubles to finish, it felt like it lasted an eternity. lol
I haven't been to a tourney in forever, but I hated waiting for doubles to finish, it felt like it lasted an eternity. lol
Soloist
Smash Ace
I mean, yeah that works too.
What's The Point
Smash Master
I prefer doubles but singles only is probably better for locals. 5 new Brawl people did leave after they got eliminated in doubles.
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
Plus people are more free (lol no pun intended) during the day so more people would proly enter because no "I've got nighttime plans johns"
fZk
Smash Lord
Seriously man....Can my f*cking ballsack get ANY bigger???
The answer is yes.
Hopefully is cancer.
DRDN
Smash Master
Why was everyone arguing that taking MK from a single tourney was so bad because we wouldn't be able to face MKs out of state but were so quick to throw out dubs which is at ALMOST EVERY Tournament including all regionals and nationals?
Its more difficult to focus on(I'm sure someone can easily break this logic but that sounds more difficult to play/master) and If we all took more time and cared about dubs we could stroll through OOS tourneys and show MW has a handle on something the coasts are killing us at singles why not go for better dubs strats and whatnot?
I'm mostly talking for brawl I don't know much about the melee scene
Its more difficult to focus on(I'm sure someone can easily break this logic but that sounds more difficult to play/master) and If we all took more time and cared about dubs we could stroll through OOS tourneys and show MW has a handle on something the coasts are killing us at singles why not go for better dubs strats and whatnot?
I'm mostly talking for brawl I don't know much about the melee scene
SCOTU
Smash Hero
brawl singles @ 7 sounds like a surefire way to end late. +1 for drop doubles
DRDN
Smash Master
Isn't that still 2 hours before it normally starts?
Haven't been to a tourney I didn't host in too long
Haven't been to a tourney I didn't host in too long
Pimp Daddy Supreme
gio 2.0
yo let's do triples only
OMG Rise Against and The Foo Fighters was soooo legit. The one bad part was getting hit on by a drunk and high 40 year old lady who could barely formulate a complete sentance. It was annoying cuz she kept intruding on my personal space during all the good songs
Rizk18
Smash Lord
Pimp Daddy Supreme
gio 2.0
don't wanna beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee your monkey wreeeeeeeench
nah nah nah
nah nah nah
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
yooo Brawl singles usually starts before 7 lol
Um I have the obvious concern that brawl wont be able to get 8 set ups. Most brawl tournyes run with 4-5 setups, which is actually enough. There's no real harm in trying it out though. I'm a big fan of trying new things.
Um I have the obvious concern that brawl wont be able to get 8 set ups. Most brawl tournyes run with 4-5 setups, which is actually enough. There's no real harm in trying it out though. I'm a big fan of trying new things.
What's The Point
Smash Master
Brawl starting at 6, and bracket at 9, seems late. Brawl ending at 11, a favorable time based on how the scheduling works, is not very good. Everything should be done by 10 ideally. Overlapping at the end of melee bracket would not be much of a problem, if at all.
Doubles last is definitely the way to go. I think the idea is that TOs think that people would prefer to come later, if they are only doing singles, since a lot of people only do singles, but judging from our reactions MI specifically would be down with coming early (which means like noon, rofl) and being able to choose to leave and have their night. /2cents
I'm mister fix it, it feels good! Fixin' all the ladies in the neighborhood.
What's The Point
Smash Master
Except like 14 people showed up at 9 PM for 64. I think people would rather come earlier and leave earlier, but that 64 tournament has me questioning that. Given, most left once they were out, and two guys left after an hour while still in the tournament.
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
It was also a game day, so its quite possible that they stopped by for 64 after watching the game or something.
DRDN
Smash Master
So far I've noticed everyone say they want to leave earlier but everyone shows up late as hell. Maybe its because their used to TOs waiting and if thatts the case let's see some ****ty tourneys where all the people who don't make it in POSTED time just aren't in it .
What's The Point
Smash Master
The game ended long before 9, and casuals are what we want.
DRDN
Smash Master
I disagree with there last part
Roller
Smash Legend
I personally have no problem with staying at a tourney 'til 2am. I'm usually up past then anyway, and I clear my day for a tourney. BUT since other people need to drive to Alpena and ****. I say either switch Brawl singles and doubles around, or drop brawl doubles entirely, and start singles when dubs is set to start there.
The problem brawl has is that our game has too many gimmicks, and when new people see us abuse these in friendlies or in doubles, they know they wont do well in singles. So they leave. It ha happened consistently. I actually think they might stay if we reversed the order though. Say I chaingrab them in singles bracket. They would see doubles as a way to compete in which I can't really do that, so maybe they will have a chance.
Also. Will would slow down both those schedules and cause Brawl to start at least an hour later.
The problem brawl has is that our game has too many gimmicks, and when new people see us abuse these in friendlies or in doubles, they know they wont do well in singles. So they leave. It ha happened consistently. I actually think they might stay if we reversed the order though. Say I chaingrab them in singles bracket. They would see doubles as a way to compete in which I can't really do that, so maybe they will have a chance.
Also. Will would slow down both those schedules and cause Brawl to start at least an hour later.
Roller
Smash Legend
That would actually work...
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
Lol roller you're the one that cg'd all the noobs
In my first real Brawl tournament, I repeatedly lost to some guy in friendlies, then 2-0'd him in bracket. I never saw him again...
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Ankoku the sandmaster
KittyMW
Smash Apprentice
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=310428&page=4 Im just posting this everywhere so you MI people see it lol
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
So jelly of Ankoku's new Custom Title..then again this is nothing new.
Also when Kyle and I get a new venue we may adopt that schedule. Singles first would be better in this case. Though if we can at least 2 or 3 new people to come to a future event I consider that a success.
Also Roller no more Anubis ****** new kids lmao.
For me tournaments have become extremely stagnant as of late. Part of it is the venue and seeing the same people over and over. so I need to do what I did before and just advertise to a new crowd. I know EXACTLY where to go to get new people..iits just I need to keep these kids around. All the Southfield kids like to play but think they're the ****. Theres like a good crowd of 15 of them. So I'm gonna start there.
Also 5 dollar tournies = great way for new people to come out.
We need to start doing those more.
Also when Kyle and I get a new venue we may adopt that schedule. Singles first would be better in this case. Though if we can at least 2 or 3 new people to come to a future event I consider that a success.
Also Roller no more Anubis ****** new kids lmao.
For me tournaments have become extremely stagnant as of late. Part of it is the venue and seeing the same people over and over. so I need to do what I did before and just advertise to a new crowd. I know EXACTLY where to go to get new people..iits just I need to keep these kids around. All the Southfield kids like to play but think they're the ****. Theres like a good crowd of 15 of them. So I'm gonna start there.
Also 5 dollar tournies = great way for new people to come out.
We need to start doing those more.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
Rizk'in 2 will be in about a month guys just a heads up. I have yet to confirm the date.
ZTD | TECHnology
Developing New TECHnology
^ My pen*s is ****ing huge.
Assuming Melee and Brawl get their usual turnouts (~30 and ~20 respectively) I think this is the best outline of a schedule:
12pm Melee Singles Pools
-- Melee Singles Play-In
3pm Melee Singles Bracket
5pm Dinner break, transition setups from Melee to Brawl
6pm Brawl Singles Pools
-- Brawl Singles Play-In
8pm Brawl Singles Bracket
Nobody should be worried about an 8pm starting time for Brawl Singles Bracket. You gotta remember that after the Play-In, there is a much smaller bracket to be ran, and also there are zero other events going on at the same time, so if we're talking about a 12-player bracket then there's no way it could take more than two hours to complete.
Kevin does bring up a good point though -- an overlap at the end of Melee Singles Bracket would be no problem. At that point usually a lot of Melee people have left and we just need two setups to finish up the bracket. So if you're really that worried about ending late, then yeah Brawl Singles Pools could be moved to 5pm. But I think a 24-player Melee Singles Bracket needs a little more time.
12pm Melee Singles Pools
-- Melee Singles Play-In
3pm Melee Singles Bracket
5pm Dinner break, transition setups from Melee to Brawl
6pm Brawl Singles Pools
-- Brawl Singles Play-In
8pm Brawl Singles Bracket
Nobody should be worried about an 8pm starting time for Brawl Singles Bracket. You gotta remember that after the Play-In, there is a much smaller bracket to be ran, and also there are zero other events going on at the same time, so if we're talking about a 12-player bracket then there's no way it could take more than two hours to complete.
Kevin does bring up a good point though -- an overlap at the end of Melee Singles Bracket would be no problem. At that point usually a lot of Melee people have left and we just need two setups to finish up the bracket. So if you're really that worried about ending late, then yeah Brawl Singles Pools could be moved to 5pm. But I think a 24-player Melee Singles Bracket needs a little more time.
Plus this way lain can oversleep past noon and not have to complain about not being entered into Brawl singles three hours after starting : j
Sailor Princess Twenty-Two.
Smash Master
Can someone explain the play-in system a bit more for me. I can't say I totally understand it.
Rizk18
Smash Lord
God ****ing damn it Tech you keep stealing meh lines-__-
My ballsack is enormous, someone should smack Roller in the face with it.
My ballsack is enormous, someone should smack Roller in the face with it.
Hot_ArmS
Smash Hero
he'll just grab it and never let go until he's about to smash