I don't think Mewtwo is the worst character in the game. A pro level Mewtwo can compete with the best - I point to Taj's Mewtwo defeating King's Jigglypuff in NCT2. I don't think the likes of a pro Bowser, Pichu, and Kirby can achieve anything of the same calibre.
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The 2006-2008 Tier list
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NJ'zFinest
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^ ignore that post
Yea, but isn't it just Taj's Mew2 who can do that? I mean, we have to consider the majority.
Eggm
Smash Hero
Check TAj's 1v1 vids i posted of him playing forward, it will further chaotics point which I agree with completely, as far as your point that hes the only good mewtwo.. the only god level pichu is chu, so its basically the same.. and ... Taj has vids on youtube where i'm pretty sure he beats gimpyfish who if i'm not mistaken the best or close to the best bowser right? I don't think mewtwo deserves lowest char either from knowing taj IRL and seeing him play in many matches even if he is the only good mewtwo player. I was also at NCt 2 and saw him play under pressure against kings jiggs which is amazing and 3 stock him in the 2nd round. I think it should at least be considered more than it is, and i'm pretty sure a few other peopl ecan play a decent m2, mow?
highandmightyjoe
Smash Ace
You can't base the strength of a character off of the best player with that character. Gimpy has a good Bowser, Neo has a really good Roy, etc. That doesn't make them good characters. If you look up vids of the best player with any character you will think that character deserves top tier, or at least high. But the tier list reflects how good the characers are when compared without player skill involved. If two equally skilled players faced each other, so that the outcome was solely determined by the characters they choose, who would win.
mcc
Smash Ace
wow O_o
i have trouble against jiggs with mewtwo
yeah, i don't think mewtwo should be at the bottom. i think kirby should
highandmightyjoe
Smash Ace
My biggest problem with Mewtwo is why he's bad. Its kind of sad that he isn't very good since he is such a cool character. But anyway he had better be good in Brawl. What I have always seen as his problem(and if you disagree then please tell me your thoughts) is that he is basically a bad character with good moves. To people who play other fighting games that may seem like an odd concept, but in Smash there are so many other factors and Mewtwo is bad at all of them. He has bad weight, fall speed, size, etc. He has a good movelist though(in my opinion of course). I just wish he where good enough to make use of it.
JUST A PIECE OF MEAT!!
Smash Ace
no more spams for me then.
JUST A PIECE OF MEAT!!
Smash Ace
stop spaming.................
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
I hate you Lambchops.
Eggm
Smash Hero
I think kirby should be bottom also.
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Kirby should be the only character in the bottom.
Naota-Kun
Smash Journeyman
You're not cool. (Japanese accent) Goku not cool.
MASAHIROx
Smash Lord
when are they gonna move mario down!?
Lucky_Sharmz19
Smash Ace
Why do you want Mario lower in the Tier List?
JUST A PIECE OF MEAT!!
Smash Ace
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controlfreak7
Smash Ace
Lol I sense a bias arguement about to happen. Mario should in fact be higher, but I can't wait to see someone give you points against mario, see how you try to dodge them. >.>
Lucky_Sharmz19
Smash Ace
I always wondered why Mario wasn't next to Doc in the tier list. Their abilities are so similar that there shouldn't even be anyone between them.
mcc
Smash Ace
docs pills are much better 
and his fair isn't a useless meteor
and his fair isn't a useless meteor
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
True True
Mario's fair can be spaced quite nicely though.docs pills are much better
and his fair isn't a useless meteor
ToP CaT
Smash Lord
these list are just fuel for arguements, zelda pwnz all
end of story...
end of story...
cb_marth
Smash Ace
Well I agree with you on the lists being fueled for arguments, yet the whole Zelda thing I must disagree, now if you would have said Sheik I could maybe see where your going with it but Zelda? Please explain
highandmightyjoe
Smash Ace
I mained Mario for quite a while and I believe he is at about the right place on the tier list. He definatley deserves middle tier, though maybe a little lower in it. I would put him as the lowest ranked in mid tier, because Ganon being there just seems wrong. Mario basically has trouble finishing the job. He has a ton of combo starter, and even more combo filler. He is a combo machine, plus he has a projectile, not a good one but at least its there. The obvious problem though is that he can't get KO's. He just builds up all that damage and can't do anything with it. He is almost entirely realiant on edge-guarding for kills, thankfully he is good at that. One of his other problems though is his terrible range. He has pathetic range on his normal attacks, and his grab range is just depressing, especially considering how much he relies on his great combo starting grabs.
So pretty much Mario gets locked into a war of attrition. For him to KO he needs to do more damage than the opponent does to him. Other characters can KO opponents at lower percents so they don't need to stick in for the long haul like Mario does. His range makes this an even bigger problem, since your opponent will often have more opportunities to hit you than you do to hit them.
But still he isn't all bad. The cape makes him above average by itself, and once you implement things like SHABAWD into your game, and learn to edgeguard well, he can become quite good. Still though his weaknesses are pretty big, and I couldn't see him moving any higher in the tiers.
So pretty much Mario gets locked into a war of attrition. For him to KO he needs to do more damage than the opponent does to him. Other characters can KO opponents at lower percents so they don't need to stick in for the long haul like Mario does. His range makes this an even bigger problem, since your opponent will often have more opportunities to hit you than you do to hit them.
But still he isn't all bad. The cape makes him above average by itself, and once you implement things like SHABAWD into your game, and learn to edgeguard well, he can become quite good. Still though his weaknesses are pretty big, and I couldn't see him moving any higher in the tiers.
Lucky_Sharmz19
Smash Ace
But, you do agree that Mario should be right under Doc in the tier list, right?
And a good combo starter.mcc said:
Metal Reeper
Smash Champion
that tier list looks like the popularity contest between the characters...think about it.. Link lower tier? year right...
Sighrax
Smash Lord
Metal Reeper has a GREAT point you guys, have you seen how ridiculous Link's UP+B is? Seriously.
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Link's broken.
Lucky_Sharmz19
Smash Ace
Link is fine where he is. If you are saying that the tier list is just popularity contest, stop posting here. Seriously, people will start making gigantic persuasive posts that will drown your shallow, horribly bad grammar ridden posts.Metal Reaper said:
Lucky_Sharmz19
Smash Ace
Why should Roy be higher up?
NJ'zFinest
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Don't mind him Lucky Sharmz. Looking at his posts, you can see that he's just another Roy fan boy.
FIRE FTW?
FIRE FTW?
cb_marth
Smash Ace
Roy higher up? Why?
JUST A PIECE OF MEAT!!
Smash Ace
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StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Yes I agree.
I'm a Roy fanbody too you know.
Roy is to Marth as Falco is to Fox.
One is good, but the other is better.
Like Falco, Roy is more of the offensive and not so much defensive as Marth.
Roy players are constantly in motion. Much like Falco players. Roy is a better fighter than Marth, but Marth is better due to his ability to tip and his jump which has more air time. This allows you to distance yourself from the enemy and attack hard.
Roy needs to stay close, which is dangerous. plus Roy is more of a fast faller.
I am not backing up the posts that say "Roy should be higher". I'm stating why he should, since they aren't man enough to say why.
Roy is to Marth as Falco is to Fox.
One is good, but the other is better.
Like Falco, Roy is more of the offensive and not so much defensive as Marth.
Roy players are constantly in motion. Much like Falco players. Roy is a better fighter than Marth, but Marth is better due to his ability to tip and his jump which has more air time. This allows you to distance yourself from the enemy and attack hard.
Roy needs to stay close, which is dangerous. plus Roy is more of a fast faller.
I am not backing up the posts that say "Roy should be higher". I'm stating why he should, since they aren't man enough to say why.
Lucky_Sharmz19
Smash Ace
Cmon, im dying to hear reasons why Mario should be lower and Roy should be higher? Cmon! Throw anything at me and i gurentee you that i will counter it with what i know no matter what.(except Zen)
NJ'zFinest
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Falco and Fox are close, Falco>Fox
but..
Marth>>>>>Roy
Roy isn't good; he's barely decent. How can you call a character that has horrible priority, knockback, lacking in decent setups and combos, etc. a good fighter?
if it was apopularity contest, then it wuold be alot different.
link is far from broken.
StripesOrBars
Smash Master
Roy is too high on the list of you ask me.
highandmightyjoe
Smash Ace
I would agree Roy is too high already. I would place him right above Pichu really. He has almost nothing going for him. I can't even fathom what the developers where thinking when they made him.
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