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Texas Power Rankings: So Incredibly Dead!

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Hylian

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I'm online way too much. The hard part is getting everyone else motivated.
This. The panel members just won't post their lists. It's really aggervating. I can't get them all to do it :(.
 

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It's just that everyone has different views of how the lists should be done. I posted something recently that might motivate them though <_<. It's just we are all taking it too seriously lol.

Edit: The list will be up by Saturday hopefully.
 

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He's not taking the top 3 spots, actually he might not even have a single spot in the top 3, but we will see when they post the list. I have a fairly good idea where a few people will be, but I am a bit surprised the list wasn't ready by around Lee's tourney. It's probably hard getting a hold of Dr. Drew though, don't know how often he checks stuff.
I'll try to make my bad puns more obvious next time ^^;;
 

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Lol, that would suck for me. I blow at dittos.

Wario Ditto Power Rankings
DMG - First
PhantomX- Last
Haha, but but I suck at ditto's too :(

Don't tell him! He's just trying to find out who's **** he has to suck for ranking points!
Dude IDK about you, but if I had to do that I would want something better than PR points, like a Klondike bar.
 

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Nice stuff, DMG got up there in a jiffy. I thought D4BA had been placing pretty high too, can some explain?
Uh, D4ba wasn't even on the list before and he jumped up >_>. If he keeps doing well he will go higher. Simple as that.
 

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I have a question about the voting. Was there a change in point values for the votes, since there the list got expanded to 15 people? Like, was a 1st place vote worth 15 points this time around instead of being worth 10 points? I'm just curious if you had to change the voting system somehow because of either having more panel members or more ranked members to judge.

Edit: I like the list. It seems pretty accurate IMO.
 

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I have a question about the voting. Was there a change in point values for the votes, since there the list got expanded to 15 people? Like, was a 1st place vote worth 15 points this time around instead of being worth 10 points? I'm just curious if you had to change the voting system somehow because of either having more panel members or more ranked members to judge.

Edit: I like the list. It seems pretty accurate IMO.
I think that DMG is so high on the list because he spot dodges all the time. :) *runs away*
 

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Cool list. I've only played 6 people from that list (Hylian, Sethlon [in doubles], DMG [in doubles], Lee Harris, Infinity, and DMK).

I really want to play 3000's Sonic. Oh, and 8/15 of them use MK...too good?
Whatever though. I still want to play some people on those list 'sides 3000. I've seen Santi and Dojo at two tournaments, and have yet to play either one. :(
 

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I have a few questions and I'd appreciate it if the board members would PM me answers so I can address my concerns with them personally and we can avoid any unnecessary arguing on this thread.

Why are people that I consistantly beat and/or people that I consistantly place higher than in major tournaments higher than I am on the rankings? That makes no sense. I'm 2-1 with Sethlon and I haven't lost to Hylian since the original list came out. I'm also even with Dojo down to the game right now.

Why aren't UTD Zac or Fogo on this list? I've never even heard of this Fliphop guy (no offense to him if he reads this, I just don't know who you are) and he's on there, and from what I understand Royr has only ever beaten Fogo once. Zac put Edrees into the loser's bracket of Hobo12 and placed inside the top 20 of that tournament.

Speaking of Royr: why is Royr still at the top of the list? DMG has placed better than him in both Hobo events and IIRC also beat Roy when they played. I'm not trying to talk down about Roy at all, he's an awesome guy and a great player but he just hasn't put up the kind of numbers you guys say he is able to AT ALL since FS4.

This list makes no mathematical sense to me. Again, I would really like to discuss this further wth members of the panel in private; if nothing else so I can put an argument for why I should be moved up into the spot I feel deserve by the next time you guys update this list.

To anyone on the power rankings I haven't played/haven't played in a long time: I'm challenging each of you to a serious set at Hobo12, best 3/5 with SBR rules. I've wanted to play all of you for a long time now and every time the chance comes up it doesn't happen. I'll see you guys at Hobo12.
 

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I think that DMG is so high on the list because he spot dodges all the time. :) *runs away*
I think you are correct in that assumption. DMG < Spotdodges haha.

Also, does Hylian really use MK that much? I've seen him use G&W almost exclusively lately. Same for Gness, he uses Kirby and Peach Moar I think, although he plays a ton of people I thought.

Edit: Saw Infinity's post. He brought up some interesting points. I am in no position obviously to even remotely answer them though.
 

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But Hylian still uses him, so bleh.
Who does Gness use, just out of curiosity.
If that's the case they can go ahead and say I play Diddy and Falco in tourney as well and Marth for this upcoming HOBO12. It's for main's not everybody you may have played a couple of times.

Gness uses Kirby exclusively in tourney and very well might I add.

I have a few questions and I'd appreciate it if the board members would PM me answers so I can address my concerns with them personally and we can avoid any unnecessary arguing on this thread.

Why are people that I consistantly beat and/or people that I consistantly place higher than in major tournaments higher than I am on the rankings? That makes no sense. I'm 2-1 with Sethlon and I haven't lost to Hylian since the original list came out. I'm also even with Dojo down to the game right now.

Why aren't UTD Zac or Fogo on this list? I've never even heard of this Fliphop guy (no offense to him if he reads this, I just don't know who you are) and he's on there, and from what I understand Royr has only ever beaten Fogo once. Zac put Edrees into the loser's bracket of Hobo12 and placed inside the top 20 of that tournament.

Speaking of Royr: why is Royr still at the top of the list? DMG has placed better than him in both Hobo events and IIRC also beat Roy when they played. I'm not trying to talk down about Roy at all, he's an awesome guy and a great player but he just hasn't put up the kind of numbers you guys say he is able to AT ALL since FS4.

This list makes no mathematical sense to me. Again, I would really like to discuss this further wth members of the panel in private; if nothing else so I can put an argument for why I should be moved up into the spot I feel deserve by the next time you guys update this list.

To anyone on the power rankings I haven't played/haven't played in a long time: I'm challenging each of you to a serious set at Hobo12, best 3/5 with SBR rules. I've wanted to play all of you for a long time now and every time the chance comes up it doesn't happen. I'll see you guys at Hobo12.
I'll go ahead and make this public. People do deserve to know.

We didn't go about this right IMO. We wasted alot of time and weren't active with this at all. We kept putting it off and off and didn't discuss as much as we should have. We decided to go ahead and throw this out there for now so something new could be out there from the ancient one we've had.

We're gonna throw an update after HOBO 12, (Hopefully we don't procrastinate to hell again...) and hopefully every month to two. Most of us had a private talk in an IM'd discussion and, as long as you keep this trend up, you will be higher up next time around I can promise you. Some things will be different.

I really hope we can do a much better job next time around.


I think you are correct in that assumption. DMG < Spotdodges haha.

Also, does Hylian really use MK that much? I've seen him use G&W almost exclusively lately. Same for Gness, he uses Kirby and Peach Moar I think, although he plays a ton of people I thought.

DMG = Spotdodges XD

Gness uses Kirby in tourney from what I've seen. But he can play a large variety of characters at a strong level.
 

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Gness uses Kirby exclusively in tourney and very well might I add.
Yes his Kirby is pretty good, I gotta see how different he plays from Shiken. Be careful Gness, I know a ton about Kirby's grab combos and how to escape them.

DMG = Spotdodges XD
Haha, too good sir. I also = epic win on Green Greens and Epic Fail on Frigate lol.
 

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I have a few questions and I'd appreciate it if the board members would PM me answers so I can address my concerns with them personally and we can avoid any unnecessary arguing on this thread.

Why are people that I consistantly beat and/or people that I consistantly place higher than in major tournaments higher than I am on the rankings? That makes no sense. I'm 2-1 with Sethlon and I haven't lost to Hylian since the original list came out. I'm also even with Dojo down to the game right now.

Why aren't UTD Zac or Fogo on this list? I've never even heard of this Fliphop guy (no offense to him if he reads this, I just don't know who you are) and he's on there, and from what I understand Royr has only ever beaten Fogo once. Zac put Edrees into the loser's bracket of Hobo12 and placed inside the top 20 of that tournament.

Speaking of Royr: why is Royr still at the top of the list? DMG has placed better than him in both Hobo events and IIRC also beat Roy when they played. I'm not trying to talk down about Roy at all, he's an awesome guy and a great player but he just hasn't put up the kind of numbers you guys say he is able to AT ALL since FS4.

This list makes no mathematical sense to me. Again, I would really like to discuss this further wth members of the panel in private; if nothing else so I can put an argument for why I should be moved up into the spot I feel deserve by the next time you guys update this list.

To anyone on the power rankings I haven't played/haven't played in a long time: I'm challenging each of you to a serious set at Hobo12, best 3/5 with SBR rules. I've wanted to play all of you for a long time now and every time the chance comes up it doesn't happen. I'll see you guys at Hobo12.
I completely support you. I hardly know who you guys are and wouldn't really care who is top or bottom. I would just like things to make sense you know? Is this List being voted on based on current results or so, or results since brawl cameout? Also very true, there are some names i have never really read in tournament results
 

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If that's the case they can go ahead and say I play Diddy and Falco in tourney as well and Marth for this upcoming HOBO12. It's for main's not everybody you may have played a couple of times.

Gness uses Kirby exclusively in tourney and very well might I add.
I don't know why they didn't then. You haven't played in HOBO 12 (unless you're from the future), so I don't see why they'd add them beforehand.

The fact of the matter is that you still played as them at one point during a certain tournament, and that should account for something, especially considering how close a character choice can make or break a match for a player (including the points they may have been awarded as well).

Of course, that entire thing is just me being nit-picky [and ignorant of the power ranking process, although I definately am interested in it...], and bashing Meta again, of course. MK = Lame, and it just sucks to see almost half of the top 15 ranked in Texas went MK at one point or another.

But whatever.

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Orly? Kirby. That's pretty awesome.
 

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I have a few questions and I'd appreciate it if the board members would PM me answers so I can address my concerns with them personally and we can avoid any unnecessary arguing on this thread.

Why are people that I consistantly beat and/or people that I consistantly place higher than in major tournaments higher than I am on the rankings? That makes no sense. I'm 2-1 with Sethlon and I haven't lost to Hylian since the original list came out. I'm also even with Dojo down to the game right now.

Why aren't UTD Zac or Fogo on this list? I've never even heard of this Fliphop guy (no offense to him if he reads this, I just don't know who you are) and he's on there, and from what I understand Royr has only ever beaten Fogo once. Zac put Edrees into the loser's bracket of Hobo12 and placed inside the top 20 of that tournament.

Speaking of Royr: why is Royr still at the top of the list? DMG has placed better than him in both Hobo events and IIRC also beat Roy when they played. I'm not trying to talk down about Roy at all, he's an awesome guy and a great player but he just hasn't put up the kind of numbers you guys say he is able to AT ALL since FS4.

This list makes no mathematical sense to me. Again, I would really like to discuss this further wth members of the panel in private; if nothing else so I can put an argument for why I should be moved up into the spot I feel deserve by the next time you guys update this list.

To anyone on the power rankings I haven't played/haven't played in a long time: I'm challenging each of you to a serious set at Hobo12, best 3/5 with SBR rules. I've wanted to play all of you for a long time now and every time the chance comes up it doesn't happen. I'll see you guys at Hobo12.
I've never ever been one to settle things in PM that can be settled in public. Settling things through PMs is part of the problem because it removes transparency from the process and then people end up not trusting each other.

On the topic of the list: you're right on several things. I think the list is way off. There have been a lot of issues with this latest one but a few people just wanted to get something up because the other one was so outdated. I personally would have liked to wait or just put a "Top 15" list at the moment with no ranking because all this **** is whack. For example, UTDZac should definitely be on there after his latest accomplishments.

Either way, it's all good and it'll be fixed soon. Up until this point I haven't really paid much attention or said much, but after this next tournament I'll work on getting it all figured out. Plus, things might be a bit whack because of the MK-ban tournaments. I know that we have several very talented MK players who use him almost exclusively in tournaments (Dojo & Infinity), and please don't take this as an insult to your skill, but you will do worse because of the MK ban for a while. Hell, if someone banned... well nvm I use everyone... but if someone banned G&W, Hylian would do worse for a while too.

If that's the case they can go ahead and say I play Diddy and Falco in tourney as well and Marth for this upcoming HOBO12. It's for main's not everybody you may have played a couple of times.

Gness uses Kirby exclusively in tourney and very well might I add.
I won't pretend like I know much about Gness, but does he ever switch to MK to win? If he does, then it is a big part of who he uses. For example, people told me Xyro shouldn't have put MK at all next to Azen's name in HOBO11 results because he mostly used Lucario. While this is true, he was losing 2-0 to Lee Martin and he had to switch to MK to win. If you were to really only use 1 character exclusively (like Sethlon or you), then you can be counted as having one main. If you need a character to win certain matchups, then that character goes on your info IMO.
 

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I won't pretend like I know much about Gness, but does he ever switch to MK to win? If he does, then it is a big part of who he uses. For example, people told me Xyro shouldn't have put MK at all next to Azen's name in HOBO11 results because he mostly used Lucario. While this is true, he was losing 2-0 to Lee Martin and he had to switch to MK to win. If you were to really only use 1 character exclusively (like Sethlon or you), then you can be counted as having one main. If you need a character to win certain matchups, then that character goes on your info IMO.
This is kinda what I was getting at earlier, if my post was too broken apart or whatever...
 

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Well then go ahead and have Falcon raise on the tier list because 2 of the 3 best players in Texas have used him in tourney once before. **** like that...

People have used alot of dif characters in tourney before. Hyli uses about 20 dif characters. Should we put them all up there? Of course not...

It should be a representation of that persons main not everybody they may have used a time or two in tourney.
 

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Well then go ahead and have Falcon raise on the tier list because 2 of the 3 best players in Texas have used him in tourney once before. **** like that...

People have used alot of dif characters in tourney before. Hyli uses about 20 dif characters. Should we put them all up there? Of course not...

It should be a representation of that persons main not everybody they may have used a time or two in tourney.
You're missing the point completely. No one ever switches to Falcon to win. Never has anyone ever once changed to Falcon for the advantage.

Now imagine this:
In HOBO11, in the loser's finals Lee Martin was winning 2-0 against Azen's Lucario. Let's assume that Azen continues to use Lucario and he loses (which he most likely would have). So the results would have looked like this:

3rd- Azen(Lucario)

But since he needed MK to win that match and he did indeed win, then he is shown as a MK user.

So instead of seeing:

3rd- Azen(Lucario)

We see:

2nd- Azen(Lucario/MK)
 

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Well then go ahead and have Falcon raise on the tier list because 2 of the 3 best players in Texas have used him in tourney once before. **** like that...

People have used alot of dif characters in tourney before. Hyli uses about 20 dif characters. Should we put them all up there? Of course not...

It should be a representation of that persons main not everybody they may have used a time or two in tourney.
No he's saying that if you CP with a different character probably for more than a set or two, then it's kinda hard to say that only one character was your main.

Ex: I almost always use Wario, however at Centex I used Snake only against you in Singles. I didn't use him against anyone else, but if I used him against let's say Infinity or Sethlon as well as using him against you, then we would add Snake to the people I used.

At least this is what I think Lee is talking about <_<
 

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Well then go ahead and have Falcon raise on the tier list because 2 of the 3 best players in Texas have used him in tourney once before. **** like that...
Dojo says the silliest thing.

Two players picking Falcon won't raise him on the tier list.

EDIT: What Lee said...

Ex: I almost always use Wario, however at Centex I used Snake only against you in Singles. I didn't use him against anyone else, but if I used him against let's say Infinity or Sethlon as well as using him against you, then we would add Snake to the people I used.
Unless it was something gamebreaking, I don't know, DMG, what would be put otherwise...

At least on the results of Centex, it should've said DMG (Wario/Snake)
 

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Ok so that being said. SoHyli has used him to an extent. It hasn't caused him to get any further in tourney. (Other than teams with Sethlon I suppose. Probably would've gotten just as far anyways.)


He tried MK against me in tourney and got 3 stocked. He also lost to Santi at that same tourney using MK. I don't remember him using MK at all during HOBO 10.

Stuff like that. I see where you're coming from but MK didn't get him anywhere further than his G&W has. I honestly just feel anti-MK's are going a little overboard with it all. He's too good and probably ban worthy but hasn't really dominated Texas as much as some people have made it out.


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People could misinterpret that Falcon is a big part of the success of Roy and I, us having used him in tourney, beating out the rest of Texas.

This is what I'm getting at. Hyli hasn't had the success he's had because of MK. He's gotten to that point because of his G&W and IC's.
 

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hmm the list seems a little off, imo.

one thing about santi, how is he at the 10th spot? now don't take this as the wrong impression, santi is very good and all, i just haven't heard of him placing at the top. maybe i missed some tourney, idk. again, don't take this as dissing his skills, i am just curious.

<3 to all. :)
 

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Ok so that being said. So Hyli has used him to an extent. It hasn't caused him to get any further in tourney. (Other than teams with Sethlon I suppose. Probably would've gotten just as far anyways.)


He tried MK against me in tourney and got 3 stocked. He also lost to Santi at that same tourney using MK. I don't remember him using MK at all during HOBO 10.

Stuff like that. I see where you're coming from but MK didn't get him anywhere further than his G&W has. I honestly just feel anti-MK's are going a little overboard with it all. He's too good and probably ban worthy but hasn't really dominated Texas as much as some people have made it out.
According to this list (I know it's faulty, but I'm using it just for the sake), he's covering 40-50% of the Top 15s as a Main, Secondary, or at least at one point.

I guess the scenario would be dependant. Using a hypothetical scenario, say Azen switched to someone, like Falcon =P

And by some unforseen circumstance, he beats Lee Martin with him.

Azen would go from supposedly 3rd - Azen (Lucario), to 2nd - Azen (Lucario/Falcon).
 
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