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Texas Power Rankings: So Incredibly Dead!
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Fogo is the panelist from Dallas.
Also, take this to PM's you two. We all don't need to see you argue.
Edit: And I'm serious. Melee you should edit your post deleting that and PM it to infinity and infinity don't respond in this thread please.
Thanks.
Also, take this to PM's you two. We all don't need to see you argue.
Edit: And I'm serious. Melee you should edit your post deleting that and PM it to infinity and infinity don't respond in this thread please.
Thanks.
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
Edit - Was already replying when you posted, Hylian. Sorry.
Fogo
Smash Shinigami
Yeah i was just about to say that.
I'm the dallas representative, and if we feel like we need someone to fill vacant spots in our panel, we'll find someone to do it.
Daimonster
Smash Journeyman
I respect very few players on the Panelists from a Fighter's perspective. How many of these players can look at a fight and accurately describe the match that is going on? Using terms such as x player is zoning with fireballs looking to bait a jumping cross up while y player blocks the fireball and continues poking x player with his "insert character safe move here." We all see it take place...either in our own games or in other players games. However, how comfortable would you feel letting a panelist commentate some of the finals matches at a large tournament?
Are these players capable of analyzing their own game and see their opponents strategy and why it works? If not, then why are these players the judges whom declare who has skill and who does not?
I've come from a LONG background of heavy fighter, RTS and FPS games. I've seen them all from a competitive standpoint. What I have not seen, is the reasons for why certain players are on the top area of the Power Rankings. No, "so and so placed high...must obviously be near the middle or better of the power rankings" is not a valid excuse. From what I've seen, there is little to no discussion as to why players A-Z are even on the power rankings other than "so and so beat so and so."
For the longest time, I have regarded the power rankings and panelist to be a joke. I believe the panelist needs a severe revision especially if you guys let players like LeeHarris (who does not play the game competitively) and DMG on the list. Are you kidding me? I could walk up to them and ask "what flaws do you think Dojo has in his game" and they could respond with "probably doesn't use tornado enough." What kinda explanation is that? Despite the game being young, I only see a few players on the panelists that deserve to be on there BECAUSE of their knowledge of the game. (with no intention of **** riding) Hylian has been the only player on the panelist that has shown me his understanding of the game. I have no idea how this kid does so well with very limited exposure to other players. That's what we need, players on the panelist that have been exposed to many different playstyle and have an enormous amount of knowledge for the game.
Hylian and Melee1 are very good examples of players that deserve to be on Texas panelists. Hylian for always reading and trying to learn new things about the game. Melee1 for also experimenting and finding out new stuff in addition to his online success towards playing numerous of different players all around the USA.
Are these players capable of analyzing their own game and see their opponents strategy and why it works? If not, then why are these players the judges whom declare who has skill and who does not?
I've come from a LONG background of heavy fighter, RTS and FPS games. I've seen them all from a competitive standpoint. What I have not seen, is the reasons for why certain players are on the top area of the Power Rankings. No, "so and so placed high...must obviously be near the middle or better of the power rankings" is not a valid excuse. From what I've seen, there is little to no discussion as to why players A-Z are even on the power rankings other than "so and so beat so and so."
For the longest time, I have regarded the power rankings and panelist to be a joke. I believe the panelist needs a severe revision especially if you guys let players like LeeHarris (who does not play the game competitively) and DMG on the list. Are you kidding me? I could walk up to them and ask "what flaws do you think Dojo has in his game" and they could respond with "probably doesn't use tornado enough." What kinda explanation is that? Despite the game being young, I only see a few players on the panelists that deserve to be on there BECAUSE of their knowledge of the game. (with no intention of **** riding) Hylian has been the only player on the panelist that has shown me his understanding of the game. I have no idea how this kid does so well with very limited exposure to other players. That's what we need, players on the panelist that have been exposed to many different playstyle and have an enormous amount of knowledge for the game.
Hylian and Melee1 are very good examples of players that deserve to be on Texas panelists. Hylian for always reading and trying to learn new things about the game. Melee1 for also experimenting and finding out new stuff in addition to his online success towards playing numerous of different players all around the USA.
This is turning into the Houston thread of rage XD
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
DMG isn't on the panel, dude.
outRAGEous
Smash Journeyman
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did somebody say rage
I see what you mean and I would agree with you for the most part aside from the fact that the PR are not actually that important to me so I don't put as much effort into them as other things. You have some of your facts wrong though if I interpreted your post right such as DMG being a panelist when he's not. LeeHarris is also currently not a panelist.
The only active panelist right now are Myself, Fogo, Dojo, Sethlon. There is also DMK but he hasn't been active and stiltz who also hasn't been active. If you really want me to I'll look into reforming the Panel and care a little bit more but honestly it's just really hard to rank players outside of the top 3. Tournament placings are often inconsistent and it's hard for some to accurately rank other without a lot of experience against them.
If you want I can think about it for awhile and send you a top 10 list made just by myself and you can compare it to how you think it should be and give input. Really I don't feel like making this too serious this early. Right now is like the testing grounds for who is going to be dominating or even still in the scene a year from now. Then is when I want to put more effort into this.
There is a lot happening on smashboards that consuming my time right now but I will try to get some more fitting panelist and accurate rankings up when I can.
Give me some breathing room ya know?
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Fogo
Smash Shinigami
@Damien: you haven't had in depth talks about the game with half of our panel, you should ask people these things before you accuse them of not knowing them. Lee harris, ok i see where you get that one, but i know for a fact that at least sethlon and I have a lot of knowledge on this game/fighters in general and i have no idea why you would think other wise.
Q_Q
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Also, this is so true.
Dojo
Smash Champion
I'm just the noob who plays MK. :D
CY
Smash Ace
edited for justice.
Daimonster
Smash Journeyman
My typo: Dmg /=/ DMK...was it really that hard to figure out guys?
Hylian: I see your standpoint and do not care so much about a top 10 list from a player who thinks the PR isn't very important. It's all good bout trying to save face. I respect your opinions and conclusions more so recently than ever before. However, something still needs to be addressed. That is, the leaders involved. To put it bluntly, we need better leaders.
edit to fogo: I was targeting Leeharris and DMK. Whoever put these guys on the panelist need to question to themselves about who is really involved. I've attempted to have deeper discussions with Sethlon about several topics, but he is always in this state of euphoria during a tournament. It's actually quite amusing.
Hylian: I see your standpoint and do not care so much about a top 10 list from a player who thinks the PR isn't very important. It's all good bout trying to save face. I respect your opinions and conclusions more so recently than ever before. However, something still needs to be addressed. That is, the leaders involved. To put it bluntly, we need better leaders.
edit to fogo: I was targeting Leeharris and DMK. Whoever put these guys on the panelist need to question to themselves about who is really involved. I've attempted to have deeper discussions with Sethlon about several topics, but he is always in this state of euphoria during a tournament. It's actually quite amusing.
CY
Smash Ace
Daimonster
Smash Journeyman
Oh really? CY, you remind me of something that hasn't been done in awhile. I think my post count needs a boost. /me off to troll the houston thread
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
Wow, the South is really intense...should I be fearful?
Naw, everyones all talk.
Come tournament time and everyones like a fluffy teddy bear.
Also Damien, I didn't say that the PR's were not important. I know fully well how much they can affect a community which is the reason we even have them in the first place. I just don't believe that with the state of mind most texas smashers are in currently in reguarding the game and how it should be played that it won't make as much of a difference compared to most of us being unified in thought instead. After I take care of some SBR stuff I plan on putting some effort into this. I did put quite a bit of effort when first starting this. I even made an entire forum dedicated to the PRings. Hopefully by then most of the qualms people have with each other will have blown over and we can focus on improving our state as a whole rather then segregate it further.
Come tournament time and everyones like a fluffy teddy bear
.Also Damien, I didn't say that the PR's were not important. I know fully well how much they can affect a community which is the reason we even have them in the first place. I just don't believe that with the state of mind most texas smashers are in currently in reguarding the game and how it should be played that it won't make as much of a difference compared to most of us being unified in thought instead. After I take care of some SBR stuff I plan on putting some effort into this. I did put quite a bit of effort when first starting this. I even made an entire forum dedicated to the PRings. Hopefully by then most of the qualms people have with each other will have blown over and we can focus on improving our state as a whole rather then segregate it further.
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
I can't agree with you more dude.
And we're playing like a million games next time we're in the same building, focker.
Magik0722
Smash Champion
Wait, so the panelists are one person per area of texas?
No, you and Santi got us kicked out of that restaurant at HOBO 12 >: (
UltimateRazer
Smash Champion
Bobby...we need to play again. Like badly lol.
[insert sickness john] our whole set!
Infinitysmash
Smash Champion
k, now someone has to tell the story. I could see them doing some **** like that though...
Woah Woah Woah wtf are you talking about? Lol. Better not be referring to IHOP, there was no fuc**** way I was supposed to know that was a full bar that needed ID's.
Also yes Razer, we will play soon, Under rocks of course. Knowing you, you'll blow them up anyways.
But in all seriousness, I think I would be a suitable candidate for the panel. I could replace Lee Harris and someone else could be added, maybe from Dallas or something. Does DMK still play Brawl, I haven't seen him since Centex I think.
When Hylian is in the same building as me, I go to sleep.
That goes for Sethlon too, and both of them at the same time. I'm pretty sure they can attest to that claim, as well as Phantom X.
Apparently.
Can't wait
. We will MM and then keep playing and just tell people we are MMing when they want to play one of us .Apparetly you also didn't sleep very much the night before(read: 30 minutes). You are not me espy
. Only I'm allowed to not sleep and still do well at tournaments (See: Hobo11 where I did not sleep the night before[with only two hours of sleep the night before THAT] and was the 3rd highest placing Texan then drove home because LeeHarris was too tired even though I hadn't sleept)So yeah. You also got a good amount of friendlies with me
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The initial reason DMK was on as a panelist was because he had traveled to the most tournaments...when the first PR list went up me or stiltz hadn't played the people out side of Houston very much at all.
I agree that we should change up the panelists. Lee has quit, stiltz has pretty much quit, DMK hasn't been traveling or placing much...
Lawl @ d4ba, I am kinda euphoric at tournies, aren't I? I got the dthrow -> dair thing to work against hylian's ICs last weekend...dunno if he could've punished it if he saw it coming or not.
I agree that we should change up the panelists. Lee has quit, stiltz has pretty much quit, DMK hasn't been traveling or placing much...
Lawl @ d4ba, I am kinda euphoric at tournies, aren't I? I got the dthrow -> dair thing to work against hylian's ICs last weekend...dunno if he could've punished it if he saw it coming or not.
It worked because Nana ended up behind you >_< so I lost control of her and couldn't punish you. If she would of been in front I could of blizzarded you.
It was actually only 10 minutes to be completely accurate, but I refuse to go over that again.Apparetly you also didn't sleep very much the night before(read: 30 minutes). You are not me espy
I also made the mistake of chugging a sugary drink, only to get a sugar crash.
You can keep the "no sleep but still wins" trophy, I'd rather not. Granted, I can play well even without sleep, I prefer to have it to be at tip-top shape during the tournament.
Oh, and I can't just jump around aimlessly throw out attacks during a match, because I don't play GaW, Meta Knight, or Wario.[/sarcasm]
Whatever...I'll be breaking into that list eventually...hopefully...
...someday? Like, when I stop getting my arse kicked by top tiers?
;_;
Xyro77
Unity Ruleset Committee Member
i should be considered.........but of course i never am
Yes you would be a great panelist.
Daimonster
Smash Journeyman
You would probably be considered a biased panelist if becoming one actually happened. I would throw up if that were to ever occur.
Sethlon: Yah that matchup is a lost hope. There is no way to effectively out-grab the iceclimbers without getting f'smashed by nana or popo. Lazers and phantasm zoning does not work against them because they have moves that clank with the phantasm. In addition, you cannot lazer ice climbers to 100% every stock...that is unrealistic. Again, that matchup makes me cry.
Magik0722
Smash Champion
How about a panelist from the RGV?
CY
Smash Ace
you never travel out of houston, so you really don't have a grasp of the skill of other players around TX. we already have houston panelist anyway, plus you are extremly biased towards houston players. -_- i still love you so much though, don't get that twisted. <3
I say it because whenever I play Wario in friendlies or someone of that calibur, I don't really think. I just kinda throw out attack after attack after attack, and still have control.
For Wario, I just play like Melee Jiggz, and it works. It's pathetic.
Then again, I haven't played Wario against anyone outside of SA, so I'm not sure how I'd do against people like Hylian or you Phantom, but at the moment, I feel either I don't get punished enough for mistakes, or I just approach safely due to my character.
I can't just jump in and dair someone's shield and retreat to safety with Wario like I can with Sonic.
In a nutshell, it just feels as though Wario, and most high-top tiers, are just easier to play as, and easier to win as.
As much as I'd like winning, it just wouldn't feel right if I won with someone like...say...Snake, or Game and Watch, or Wario, or even Meta Knight. Even Dedede fills me with guilt.
outRAGEous
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is this seriously going to be a brawl only ranking, because there's a more than active melee scene in tx
You play Wario haphazardly against someone decent good/familiar with the matchup and you'll be crying in a corner before long. The only really "safe" or "abusable" thing Wario can do is use dairs on shield, but even then people can react quickly and get you for it if you don't space it just right or if they powershield it/shield all the hits by tilting their shield up. You fsmash often, you'll start getting shielded, and then hit during afterlag, which most of Wario's moves have. You learn quick after you've been grab release tippered or grab release naired (by Snake) enough times. Wario has one of the worst ranges in the game, you can't "throw out attacks" and be successful. He just copes b/c he has great finishers and can tank.
If you need an example Hylian punished me pretty badly for every mistake I made (including getting the win on Rainbow Cruise b/c I marginally misspaced an upair, as that too has ending lag).
If you need an example Hylian punished me pretty badly for every mistake I made (including getting the win on Rainbow Cruise b/c I marginally misspaced an upair, as that too has ending lag).
Then why haven't I heard of it yet?
As for that, why is SA's Melee scene so dead atm?
I'm pretty sure I'm not including alot of information on the characters I wish I could play as. I know a good deal of information on who does what and whatnot, and I'm aware of what people can do to Wario in high levels of play.
Maybe next time I should play you with people other than Sonic. I rarely ever play anyone else, but I can play people effeciently.
Yes Suspect, I know the circumstances, but I'm bringing this up for the sake of it (not to mention milking it for all it's worth):
Peach (Me) vs. Kirby
3 Stocked
That is all...
SA's Melee scene has always been dead, or sort of a living undead at the best of times. There is indeed an active Melee scene in TX...but let's just say it's cozier than pre-Brawl. We had an almost spur-of-the-moment tournament last saturday and it attracted Houston, Austin, and Oklahoma.
I don't think we need a PR though.
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