Texas new PR discussion thread.

[NeoBatou]

Well i've read all the posts and whatnot....

My only concern is that even after almost a year and a half of seeing my name in F Tier, I know my placing should at least be D-Tier. Now I know I"m not a superstar player by any means, I have work to do as far as placing high, but I can see on the F tier list that almost half of the players are like....non existent.

Apparently Serious Cat hasn't played in almost two years and I'm still placed lower than him, and I've been active and placing decent on all of my tournaments and I still don't even come close to getting over this guy as far as point wise..... I don't see the logic in that....that is why i agree with what Nike said about the D/F tier part of the list.

I'm still kinda tired and I dunno if I overlooked something I apologize in advance, but that's just how I feel atm.....any thoughts? I figure it's because I'm not beating the right people in tournament....as far as point wise I will have to topple a C/B/A tier player to finally get out of F tier...so when it's either difficult or easier to get more points in your area kinda let's me like a change in how they do the point system.

 

[AeroLink_the_SoulMaster]

Batou, just start winning against those people, plain and simple (and start entering singles more, doubles don't count lol). That's what I plan to do anyways.

 

[Zigsta]

Batou, I'm in the same boat. Last time I checked I was below people I beat on a regular basis. Honestly I just don't check anymore.

 

[diegot143]

im the tenth worst player in that tier list... that has got to change lol

 

[KoNfucius]

Dont think about your exact placing, think about the tier your in thats what really matters. Zacs pr is a list of the most consistant players in tx. If you want out of f tier dont lose to anyone in f tier, plus you need to beat some e tier or higher players too. Want out of e beat d and c tier players, with out losing to f or e players.

 

[UTDZac]

And remember, the difference between E Tier and D Tier is about 15points... which is nothing. See here not sure if you saw it batou

 

[Slaps]

I think i understand but i think others are having trouble so let me try and explain it just in case (not saying anyone else doesn't get it). The ranking system in place now has NOTHING TO DO WITH TOURNAMENT PLACINGS! The ranking is based off of the people you PLAY 1V1 IN TOURNAMENT. So even though you may beat people ranked above you in friendlies until you beat someone higher(or lower but less points achieved) your points won't increase by much. So if you get 1st in a tournament full of people lower ranking or randoms your likely not to move much since its based off of your 1v1 performance.

Also for people complaining about the tier they are in, the tiers a believe are just set up by your rating so certain numbers in certain ranges are put in a so called "tier". If we mashed all the players into just a list im sure complaints would be less but i'm sure a lot of you are thinking that if your in D tier your being generalized in that tier whether your at top or bottom but really it just represents your current point class.

One thing this current system might have some flaws in is just character matchups. High ranked players who have terrible matchups to play might lose to lower level players ex. Slaps(ike) vs. Hylian(ICs) (not trying to bash or brag im just trying to make a point so i don't want any ****) or any pika vs fox or D3 vs DK (dependent on ruleset of course). So if a high ranked player ends up in one of these incredibly bad matchups it could cost them points and bump up people whose skill level really isn't AS HIGH as the other persons. There could be low "tier" HIGH SKILL level players just who all got terribly bad matchups. This is just situational I don't think this is the case anyone but maybe a few.

Also, unless someone doesn't look at the actual points of people in the tiers i doubt people will be all like "OMG *insert name here* IS HIGHER THAN YOU ON TIER LIST LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL YOUR BAD" when the players are like .5 points apart unless they are trolling too XD. Anyway, if your better than someone and you know it then just say **** the PR and show everyone you are better than that person.

k now complete XD probably left something out..

 

[KoNfucius]

You said what I wanted to say I just coundnt type it all on my phone thank you.

 

[TheJerm]

For one, i'd seriously side bet 20+ dollars on zori beating magik.

Also, would there be some kind of way to mix the ELO system and have a panel. Like use the ELO results and form a Texas top 10 from it.

 

[UTDZac]

Yeah I think that's what Sync is trying to setup.

Spoiler

Would it look like this:

1. Gnes
2. UltimateRazer
3. Dojo
4. Trela
5. Espy
6. Jerm
7. K Prime
8. Dphat
9. Denti
10. Shlike

 

[Nike.]

*finds a good seat*

 

[UTDZac]

Sorry I couldn't resist. Just ignore that post ><

 

[Problem2]

the thing about f-tier is that it's backwards. Being in F-tier, you are usually playing against a good player in the first round every tournament which will just decrease your score more. It makes it much more difficult to have a break through and I thought that the TO's were not going to seed past a certain tier, but I've been hearing otherwise that TO's tend to seed the whole list.

So if you are going to tournaments and regularly losing more points than gaining, even if you are better than someone else who loses points every tourney, you're going to have a lower score because of your frequent attendance.

 

[Sync.]

Yeah that is what I'm trying to set up. I'm trying to have a more structured PR with ELO being a criteria in a point system based panel.

 

[UTDZac]

Yup, but the strongest defense against what you're trying to do is what Xyro pointed out. Can't have panelists without also have bias.

 

[Reizilla]

A panel is just flat out worse than any mistake the ELO can make. It's going to be biased and there's just going to be more crying. At least in this system, you're getting a fairly accurate description of how you've been doing in tournaments. If you're at the bottom, that just means that you've been losing to a lot, and at a lot of tourneys. That's it.

Problem2, you're saying that it's bad to seed lower-level players because they'll play the best players first round, but what else are you going to do? Have C-tier players play A/B tiers so that E/F can have a shot playing D-tiers? There's not much that you can do about it that wouldn't make a bad bracket. All the same, by seeding at all, these lower-tiered players would get better seeds than randoms, at least. Of course, like Zac stated, you don't go exactly by what's listed, and rather randomize within tiers.

Jerm, you're $20 gonna taste so good.

 

[UTDZac]

@Problem2, Seeding is remedied at the TO's discretion. Typically I send a 20-30 person tourney by only seeding the top 8 then randomizing the rest.

Basically I set TIO to only seed by location. Then, manually, I go into the bracket and move the top 8 around how they should be.

 

[¿Qué?]

*finds a good seat*

Which seat can I take?

 

[z00ted]

how about let's decide the panel after Zac updated with Whobo.

 

[sheikamaru]

from a noobs point of view... what does all this say about the people in f tier in laymen terms?

 

[KoNfucius]

@Problem2, Seeding is remedied at the TO's discretion. Typically I send a 20-30 person tourney by only seeding the top 8 then randomizing the rest.

Basically I set TIO to only seed by location. Then, manually, I go into the bracket and move the top 8 around how they should be.

When SA has tourny we seed at our own accord , we use the sapr instead of the txpr.

 

[UTDZac]

When SA has tourny we seed at our own accord , we use the sapr instead of the txpr.

Agreed. There's nothing that can match ranking your own players from your own town. The problem lies with merging what you think with what others from different towns think.

 

[KoNfucius]

Agreed. There's nothing that can match ranking your own players from your own town. The problem lies with merging what you think with what others from different towns think.

That is true sir. I know when sa has ooc come we (espy/nike) seeds them accordingly.

 

[Reizilla]

how about let's decide the panel after Zac updated with Whobo.

Illmatic realizes the only way he'll get top 10.

 

[z00ted]

WHobo 3 is a perfectly fine reason to want a update Rei-Gun.

Let's take into consideration I've been in the scene basically like 1/4 of the time everyone in top ten has been active.

Let's also take into consideration that I'm even or have a positive record with like 3/10 people on the list.

Furthermore let's take into account that I've beaten people on the list that some people on it have never beaten.

 

[Problem2]

A panel is just flat out worse than any mistake the ELO can make. It's going to be biased and there's just going to be more crying. At least in this system, you're getting a fairly accurate description of how you've been doing in tournaments. If you're at the bottom, that just means that you've been losing to a lot, and at a lot of tourneys. That's it.

Problem2, you're saying that it's bad to seed lower-level players because they'll play the best players first round, but what else are you going to do? Have C-tier players play A/B tiers so that E/F can have a shot playing D-tiers? There's not much that you can do about it that wouldn't make a bad bracket. All the same, by seeding at all, these lower-tiered players would get better seeds than randoms, at least. Of course, like Zac stated, you don't go exactly by what's listed, and rather randomize within tiers.

Jerm, you're $20 gonna taste so good.

Well that's good that their is randomization within the tiers. I was just under the impression that everything is seeded by exact order. :\ No, of course I don't want A/B players playing each other. That would be dumb.

 

[Reizilla]

WHobo 3 is a perfectly fine reason to want a update Rei-Gun.

Let's take into consideration I've been in the scene basically like 1/4 of the time everyone in top ten has been active.

Let's also take into consideration that I'm even or have a positive record with like 3/10 people on the list.

Furthermore let's take into account that I've beaten people on the list that some people have never beaten.

Dat Houston math :X

WHOBO is a perfectly reasonable update, but it'll make no difference on a panel that's gonna stay biased, no matter the circumstances.

 

[z00ted]

I guess I wasn't around for when drama started regarding PR and panels - so what happened exactly?

 

[Reizilla]

Go look at the NY/NJ PR drama, BUT ADD XYRO.

 

[KoNfucius]

*eat popcorn sips beer*

 

[TheJerm]

We dont have to wait to form a panel. Just get people from each area. Then they can wait till after whobo to form the actual list if they want.

 

[Thebest1pj]

illmatic you still garbage bro

 

[Suspect]

Should seed off common sense, Santi would get a lower seed in sa cause they go off their pr

 

[Espy Rose]

I agree, Suspect. Let's undermine all of the effort people put forth to get good spots on the PR, and by proxy, good seedings in tournaments.

We're rewarding people for their efforts. If someone like Santi isn't putting any effort into maintaining a spot on the SAPR, then he doesn't deserve an award, and consequently, a PR Spot that would give him a better seeding.

 

[TheJerm]

I agree with that also because if Santi does go to a tournament, and beat a seeded player, then he instantly gets that seed in the tournament. So it still works out.

 

[sheikamaru]

just gotta beat top tiers. got it.

 

[Suspect]

I agree, Suspect. Let's undermine all of the effort people put forth to get good spots on the PR, and by proxy, good seedings in tournaments.

We're rewarding people for their efforts. If someone like Santi isn't putting any effort into maintaining a spot on the SAPR, then he doesn't deserve an award, and consequently, a PR Spot that would give him a better seeding.

Never mind the fact that some people have other things to do in life and cant/dont want to go to almost every tournament.

And getting on a PR is a reward? What is the cash/prizes for then?

 

[Reizilla]

 

[Espy Rose]

Never mind the fact that some people have other things to do in life and cant/dont want to go to almost every tournament.

And getting on a PR is a reward? What is the cash/prizes for then?

If you're so busy with other things, then don't expect to be given an award for not putting forth any effort in showing up all of the time.

It's pretty simple. You aren't going to be given anything on a silver platter if you don't participate consistently.

The reward is getting a better seeding, which increases the odds of you placing in the money in a tournament.

And this.

 

[sheikamaru]

so many umad pics.. my goodness