Legality Tentative: MBR Official Ruleset for 2012

[Bones0]

You'd have to define "maintaining." Looking back at the possible Hbox vs. Armada scenario, would doing a rising pound under the stage be considered maintaining that position? What if he just claimed he was going to go to the other side, and changed his mind? To him he wouldn't have been maintaining the position, he would have been moving. I also find it interesting you find it okay for someone to stall if they are the same character because there are situations where that is still flawed. Let's say you are doing Peach dittos and it's 2 stocks to 1, the Peach with 2 stocks could just wall bomb on the bottom of the stage knowing that if their opponent went down there to hit him, he wouldn't be able to make it back either.

I think that definition of stalling is really good, but to call it objective is just dumb because there are so many exceptions or judgement calls that need to be made.

 

[Varist]

Conceded

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Well said bones

@Kal- I initially disagreed but after thinking more, i agree that the secondary win condition ideally should resemble the primary win condition. In this case, I believe our current system does that best by being the most effective, efficient and simple. The main reason I disagree with resetting a game is that it does not carry over the conditions of the previous game. If you were to do a reset you should at least attempt to return percents to their previous values and play them out, otherwise one player is favored over another.

In street fighter the primary resource is not the health meter but the round win. If you have dealt more damage in the individual game you are considered winning when the round times out, however either player is likely to win. The health bar is the secondary resource in street figher while the secondary resource in melee is percent. Having dealt more damage in melee before a time out doesn't necessarily mean you are more likely to win, but your secondary resource is better. I don't think it is unreasonable to judge a time out by primary resource and if that is a tie then by secondary resource. Rematches should only be played if all resources are even.

All rules are arbitrary. The only difference is one time out rule is handled by the software and one is handled externally. If we wanted to be true to the game, we would abide by a 1 hit rematch (sudden death), but theres a reason that isnt used either.

 

[Kal]

I wouldn't say that all rules are arbitrary, but I can see a case being made for the system we are using better resembling the primary win condition.

 

[KishPrime]

The primary win condition is arbitrary.

 

[Divinokage]

If everything is arbitrary then wtf... lol. All arguments become useless.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Whats important is that the rules are consistent.

 

[Strong Badam]

I'd like to see a Samus stall out a game w/ the infinite walljump.

 

[crush]

is the infinite walljump even infinite? i thought you start losing height eventually? or do you just keep going back and forth even faster?

 

[Strong Badam]

You lose height but it's irrelevant because you're underneath battlefield and the walls are retardedly close to each other.

 

[crush]

but after a while since you aren't gaining height you would have to move your thumb really fast. i wonder how many calories you would lose from spinning your thumb back and forth really fast like that for like 7 and a half minutes of the match.

 

[Bones0]

Wall jumping all match would be a lot less stressful on your hands than actually having to push the proper buttons to play fast-paced Melee, and that's not even taking into consideration mental stress.

 

[Hylian]

I've done the wall jump thing with samus under battlefield but I can never stay there for that long doesn't seem reasonable.

 

[Bones0]

I've never tried it because I have no idea how you would get under there in the first place. I could see Samus, but I saw a video of Falcon wall jumping there and couldn't imagine how he did it. Falcon kick under the stage or something? That's great if it really isn't useful; one more thing we can cross off our stupid list of things we've banned (Soul Stunner status).

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Well if you can only do it for a minute, then you could stall the last minute out lol

 

[Geenareeno]

I bet some chacters could poke through the stage and kill her. Like Ganon and CF.

 

[crush]

Link and young link can hit them.

 

[Sinji]

Samus mobility with wall jumping is hard.

 

[Kal]

The primary win condition is arbitrary.

This is true insofar as the game we choose to play is arbitrary. However, given that we are playing a particular game, the choice of a second win condition is not necessarily arbitrary. This argument is largely semantics-driven, obviously.

Of course, Melee is the best game ever, so the primary win condition is not arbitrary. QED

 

[KishPrime]

Actually, the game provides at least three distinct win conditions (time, stock, score). The selection of tournament win condition is in fact arbitrary.

However, arbitrary isn't always bad. It's just arbitrary.

 

[FerrishTheFish]

Actually, the game provides at least three distinct win conditions (time, stock, score).

Aren't time matches decided by what score you have at the end? Or are you talking about that "Bonus" bs?

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Don't leave out coin matches.

 

[Life]

I want to see a bonus tournament some time, just for lulz.

Won't ever happen though.

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

The metagame involves throwing in all directions and spinning your control stick whenever possible.

 

[Strong Badam]

Can we host a Coin tourney in the MW Kish?
Please?

 

[Habefiet]

I've always wanted to see a style exhibition at a given tournament. You take eight of the top players there, stick them in a single-elimination bracket, set a three-minute timer, and have a panel of three impartial judges decide which player was the sexiest in a given match.

 

[FerrishTheFish]

The metagame revolves around playing Falcon and spamming knees or playing Peach and spamming a**.

 

[ShroudedOne]

Her bair isn't that good, Ferrish.

Spoiler

I'm lying. That move is amazing.

 

[Strong Badam]

Broke n

 

[crush]

I think he meant d smash. D smash is good I think

 

[FerrishTheFish]

I think he meant d smash. D smash is good I think

No, I definitely meant a--I mean, bair. Second only to the knee in terms of sexiness.

 

[crush]

Peaches bair is gay.

Also in terms of sexiness roy is way above everyone else. I made a fashion tier list for melee characters a while ago but it got closed by teczero.

 

[Kal]

Actually, the game provides at least three distinct win conditions (time, stock, score). The selection of tournament win condition is in fact arbitrary.

However, arbitrary isn't always bad. It's just arbitrary.

This doesn't really contradict my original statement. "The game we choose to play" is just "Melee with 4 stock and an 8 minute timer." The primary win condition is arbitrary only in that the game we choose to play is arbitrary. But I feel pointing out that the primary win condition is arbitrary in this sense takes away from what I mean when I say that the secondary win condition need not be chosen arbitrarily; we can try and make it resemble our ("arbitrarily chosen") primary win condition.

And, while Roy is certainly stylish, his obliviousness to when he is being hit on disappoints me somewhat. That, and he appears to use the wrong side of the sword. He probably watched Rurouni Kenshin before joining the Melee cast.

 

[ZelDan]

Peaches bair is gay.

Also in terms of sexiness roy is way above everyone else. I made a fashion tier list for melee characters a while ago but it got closed by teczero.

Even above Falcon?

No wonder it was closed...

 

[KishPrime]

I like coin matches.

 

[crush]

Other than valentines day falcon and green ranger falcons outfits aren't that fashionable. He loses to roy, marth, dk, peach, fox, pichu, and a few others iirc.

 

[Kal]

I am a fan of bonus Melee myself.

 

[Strong Badam]

NO R 4 U
RUN, DON'T WALK
STIFF KNEES

 

[Fortress | Sveet]

Other than valentines day falcon and green ranger falcons outfits aren't that fashionable. He loses to roy, marth, dk, peach, fox, pichu, and a few others iirc.

Me and Sago did Batman falcon vs Robin marth at the last smashing grounds

 

[ShroudedOne]

White dress Peach > Pink dress Peach > any other costume on any other character.

This is irrefutable FACT, based on years of compiled data gathered from intensive studies. Sometimes, green Falcon might slide under Pink dress Peach SOMETIMES, but not often.