TDB: SEASON 2! LEON (RE4) vs LARA CROFT

[Sieguest]

It's like a Koopa Troopa shell.
A Troopa shell needs to open for Troopas to even wear. Same deal with Bowser.
He's bipedal. Hoist the shell over his head and nestle it on. It would need to be custom made for this to even happen though.
Regardless, this serves a rather null point for being an "upgrade"

Oh hey look while bowser is putting on his shell Ganon smashes him with the sword....
>___>

lol trollin' is kinda funny to do

Iknorite?

 

[REL38]

Power Ring is useless.

TP armor is w/e
Same reason I'm dropping Fire Shell.
Weird upgrade that's more of a "last resort" type thing.

As a lol point, Bowser doesn't even put on Shelly.
He uses it as a shield.

Also, not like Ganon will will reach in or it'll take Bowser long



lol

All of those other points have flaws.
For example, Onions are vehicles that transport Pikmin.
Jet Packs don't work.
Demon Launcher work IRL?
Lattex for Wario? Why not? If you swing that way . . .
Make Yoshi Purple. It's his coolest palette.
No SOCOM for Snake was an unjust nerf. AK-47, Sniper, grenades, etc.
Peach can used Turnips, Parasol, Frying Pan, cake, anything canon.
Why can't Mario have a cape?
GaymanWatch is made 2D with no physical features other than nose.
IC's never use a canon rope

 

[JOE!]

ok, lets just end this here and now:

out of 1000 battles, not taking in factors such as readying armor or sword-chucking.

bowser has his Hammers and possibly the big ball he can knock around.

ganon has his Pwnhander.

Bowser is a 13ft monster with mobility issues

Ganon is an 8ft macho-man with speed on his side, yet is physically outmatched by bowser head on.



GO!

 

[Sieguest]

Power Ring is useless.

Show's what you know
SOUPA SPIN DASH GOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGO oh wait....

TP armor is w/e
Same reason I'm dropping Fire Shell.
Weird upgrade that's more of a "last resort" type thing.

@_@

Also, not like Ganon will will reach in or it'll take Bowser long

bowser hoists shell- two seconds
bowser goes inside shell- two seconds
bowser struggles to get his head and arms through- 5 seconds
bowser struggles to get his feet through- 5 seconds

Ganon runs up to bowser- 7 seconds
Ganon swings sword- 3 seconds
bowser is hit- two seconds
GG- priceless (oh wait)

EDIT: @JOE! version of setup
Where would bowser keep those hammers? (don't say in the shell he can't reach)
Anyway Imah assume that bowser has three hammers in his left hand and pwner ball in the right

Bowser chucks hammers- 2-7 seconds
Bowser flails the pwner ball- 1 second startup- 2 seconds of in swinging- and 2.5 for cooldown


Ganondorf runs to bowser- 7 seconds
Ganon swings pwnhander- 1 second startup- 1.5 seconds in swinging-. 1.5 in cooldown

If bowser doesn't nail ganon with the hammers on the runnup and whiffs the pwner ball, then Ganon wins
If Ganon gets omnigayed by the hammers or gets Pwned by the ball of doom, then bowser wins...

All depends- does Ganon dodge? Does Ganon have the mobility to dodge an attack with the arc at which bowser swings it?
*shrugs*
discuss

 

[JOE!]

Marthage, by that logic wouldnt Ganon take time to put his armor on as well?

 

[REL38]

Read mah edit Marthage :3

Good point JOE.

Now who da hypocrite, Marthage!

~Nyaa!

 

[Sieguest]

Read mah edit Marthage :3

Good point JOE.

Now who da hypocrite, Marthage!

~Nyaa!

Ganon puts on chestplate- 1.5 seconds...

Ganon still has .5 seconds lead on bowser...GG

ya still didn't cover Link
so? Onions are an "upgrade" by the way you were describing fire shell
Yus demon launcher works... does an RPG work? there you go
GaymanWatch is led displayed man, he can be anything...
I all ready disproved myself with ICs *points to edit*
Purple Yoshi it is
Lawl Wario went gay...
Well then give Mario a GOD**** CAPE!!! :O
done


@JOE!- actually Ganon is shown with that armor all ready on...
Bowser is only shown with his default shell all ready on, not the fire shell...


@REL- as it still stands, ya'll are still the hypocrites

 

[REL38]

Just chestplate?


Give me Onions and I'll take you guys to town.
Olimar already beats Pit and IC's then.

Wait . . . why does Snake get any gun, but Olimar only gets 10 Pikmin?
I see unfair nerf.

Give em' Demon Launcher.
Sure.

TP Link armor = go ahead

Graphical limitations.
This screwed fire usage.
This ***** Gaymanwatch.

The point being, too much of these "upgrades" seems rather lolworthy.

Just cuz Ganon starts with armor doesn't mean Bowser can't either.
But this point is rather null.

Still a hypocrite even if you corrected yourself.

~Nyaa!

 

[Sieguest]

Just chestplate?

....

Give me Onions and I'll take you guys to town.
Olimar already beats Pit and IC's then.

well then congratulations... (if Olimar can reach the onions)

Give em' Demon Launcher.
Sure.

They just won this thread...

TP Link armor = go ahead

Link just got 4th place

Graphical limitations.
This screwed fire usage.
This ***** Gaymanwatch.

fair enough

The point being, too much of these "upgrades" seems rather lolworthy.

and yet look what you guys have been doing this whole MU
"UPGRADES UPGRADES UPGRADES!!!"

Just cuz Ganon starts with armor doesn't mean Bowser can't either.
But this point is rather null.

*facepalms*
Bowser's depicted with his default green shell, not a flame shell, so he would start with the default shell
Ganon is depicted with his armor on, so he starts with that...

Now you're just idiotically twisting words... congratulations

Still a hypocrite even if you corrected yourself.

~Nyaa![/COLOR]

The pot calling the kettle black
congratulations

 

[UncleSam]

Did you read the text on the picture that Just posted?
It says it is the "ultimate in fire protection" or something to that effect.

No, I didn't.
and it wouldn't be "ultimate in fire protection" unless it's fire retardant, and indefinite padding isn't helping.

how can a shell be fire retardant if it is organic compounds?

 

[JOE!]

shut up with the upgrades crap.

armor is allready assumed to be on, look at Pirate vs Knight in TDW.

they had the knight allready in his armor..

anywho, get to the topic at hand here:

Seeing as there isnt any super-long range at play, the starting distance is 50 yards apart.

Bowser's hammers whould be about the size of his hand...and thus about the size of Ganon's chest.

His ball and chain wont have the range it should have as Bowser cannot really throw it, but it is big enough to be rolled around?

ganon's equipment/etc is allready been discussed into a solid setup methinks

EDIT: @Sam

if it isnt organic, durrr

 

[UncleSam]

EDIT: @Sam

if it isnt organic, durrr

Is bowser inorganic?
EDIT: not even that, it's very hard to make a fire 'retardant' material. organic or not.

bowser's ball and chain are epic fail.
his hammers can't be thrown effectively & he would only have 1-2, looking at REL's post, still on his belly it wouldn't be an effective throw.
Ganon can have the Zwelihander and possibly the trident from beast ganon, the Trident and net is a gladiator weapon, and the trident can be thrown, it is also very good at piercing skin and shredding organs, causing internal bleeding and death.

 

[JOE!]

the shell could be inorganic. seeing as he puts it on as equipment.

as for bowser, he's made of polygons if you really wanna get into it

 

[UncleSam]

OH OK THEN.
he's made of polygons so he can only exist in software programs gg.
loljk
read my edit JOE! organic or not, it's very hard to get a fire retardant material. and those materials aren't meant as a shield, it's meant to go through fire like a bad*** and do ****.
srsly his normal shell would be better, and that goes to the issue of impact force.

 

[Sieguest]

shut up with the upgrades crap.

armor is allready assumed to be on, look at Pirate vs Knight in TDW.

they had the knight allready in his armor..

anywho, get to the topic at hand here:

Seeing as there isnt any super-long range at play, the starting distance is 50 yards apart.

Bowser's hammers whould be about the size of his hand...and thus about the size of Ganon's chest.

His ball and chain wont have the range it should have as Bowser cannot really throw it, but it is big enough to be rolled around?

ganon's equipment/etc is allready been discussed into a solid setup methinks

EDIT: @Sam

if it isnt organic, durrr

armor=/= upgrades...
Bowser has his default shell... he's depicted as that and he should have just that and his weapons, saying he all ready has on upgraded crap just makes the MU un-rightly turned and just makes it stand out all the more as a character getting special treatment..., and then we'd have to go back and give those "all ready equipped" upgrades to every other dadgum character in this thread....
he'd have to put on that flame shell which is time he doesn't have...
I still don't understand why the hell you people insist on turning the words around GET IT STRAIGHT... this is the reason why TDB is in the squalor it is now.

 

[JOE!]

yeah, thats why im not bothering with shells anymores.

as for his weaponary, the ball and chain could be used defensivly, no?

look at how a cat plays with yarn, bowser could swat the thing around similarly to be a menace to ganon as he tries to get close, then bob him with one of those hammers.

he also can rear up for a moment to throw, if not move on 2 legs

@marthage:

imma banning upgrades when they come up now..they cause too much frustration.

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

Is bowser inorganic?
EDIT: not even that, it's very hard to make a fire 'retardant' material. organic or not.

bowser's ball and chain are epic fail.
his hammers can't be thrown effectively & he would only have 1-2, looking at REL's post, still on his belly it wouldn't be an effective throw.
Ganon can have the Zwelihander and possibly the trident from beast ganon, the Trident and net is a gladiator weapon, and the trident can be thrown, it is also very good at piercing skin and shredding organs, causing internal bleeding and death.

ZWEIHANDER

Also the trident's like 30 feet long. Not very useful for 7-9 foot Ganondorf.

 

[REL38]

What makes you think Olimar won't start next to the Onions?
That's like saying weapons will be laid out 30 feet away from characters.
Regardless, 100 Pikmin are better.
*looks at JOE*

Armor is something that is applied at the beginning.
Bowser isn't shown wearing said armor due to graphical limitations, but it is still equiped I'm-game.
But w/e

Finding more stuff means higher placement. What I find lolworthy are the things being used that would otherwise be ignored.
Fire Shell being one of them.
I help the losing side. I use what people suggest. If it begins to lose usability, I drop it.
This case, being the shell.

I'm a pot n you're a kettle.
lol

@JOE
Where da bombs at?

 

[JOE!]

PWNHANDER

fixed that fer ya

@olimar:

im hesitant on his mini-army.

at a glance having 100 will just be o_O

 

[UncleSam]

yeah, thats why im not bothering with shells anymores.

as for his weaponary, the ball and chain could be used defensivly, no?

look at how a cat plays with yarn, bowser could swat the thing around similarly to be a menace to ganon as he tries to get close, then bob him with one of those hammers.

he also can rear up for a moment to throw, if not move on 2 legs

OK, my alter ego explained this already. for a ball and chain to actually be effective you have to create momentum, a lot of momentum, which takes up time. also it's going to be large for bowser and throwing it away, or swatting it around wouldn't be easy.
...
wait a sec.
http://www.mariowiki.com/Ball_and_chain
bowser doesn't use it as a weapon WTF?

@marthage:

imma banning upgrades when they come up now..they cause too much frustration.

uhh, then we are going to have to go back (again) since people have been adding weapons alot lately.
yeah, GJ JOE
EDIT: you should also stop talking about the hammers, shell, bombs, ect. for bowser now.
or are you going to change the rules (again) cuz' you feel like it?

ZWEIHANDER

Also the trident's like 30 feet long. Not very useful for 7-9 foot Ganondorf.

beast ganon from ALttP was 30ft?

@REL, if Olimar gets 100 pikmin then he's going to have to be his normal size from his games.
you have a choice.

 

[Rialdospaldacht]

beast ganon from ALttP was 30ft?

I was referring to its most recent appearance in FSA, but even in LttP it's at least ten feet long.

 

[UncleSam]

I was referring to its most recent appearance in FSA, but even in LttP it's at least ten feet long.

well, ten feet isn't much, usually spears, other lance type weapons are as big as the person, more or less. A 10 foot trident on a 7-9ft guy may be a little hefty, but it would be like a two handed spear, used for gutting and stuff.
just throwing that out there w/e

 

[REL38]

@Sam

How so?

Olimar was given the size buff to compete.
Commanding 100 Pikmin is entirely canon, but take away this size buff for 100 Pikmin?
Commanding only 10 Pikmin with size buff - 100 Pikmin at dime size

Neither are fair.

Snake is getting any and all guns in existance, but Olimar cannot command 100 w/size buff?

How so?

 

[UncleSam]

@Sam

How so?

Olimar was given the size buff to compete.
Commanding 100 Pikmin is entirely canon, but take away this size buff for 100 Pikmin?
Commanding only 10 Pikmin with size buff - 100 Pikmin at dime size

Neither are fair.

Snake is getting any and all guns in existance, but Olimar cannot command 100 w/size buff?

How so?

I'm doing this to eff with your mind until you realize how messed up all of this is.
olimar is the size of a quarter, and wears a space suit I don't think we'll ever find a medium that will make it fair.

 

[Sieguest]

What makes you think Olimar won't start next to the Onions?
That's like saying weapons will be laid out 30 feet away from characters.
Regardless, 100 Pikmin are better.
*looks at JOE*

regardless, Fox's new demon launcher kills them all...>__> point being upgrades are ludicrous. Upgrades in themselves are things that aren't realistic at all... and more than often not even canon, just an improvement on an canon object, in which case the improvements wouldn't even matter due to this being IRL; unless you're talking maybe guns... or armor made of better material and even then we've only stuck with what a character is depicted wearing (because most of the armor upgrades aren't canon). (Examples being Link, Ganondorf, Toon Link, Marth, and Roy) but bowser magically gets this out of nowhere...?
A shell that is now fire retardent?
An armor that negates all physical damage( Link's broken armor in TP)
OHKO homing launchers? (The demon launcher)
Vegetables that produce alien life forms...(although onions aren't really an upgrade)

Armor is something that is applied at the beginning.
Bowser isn't shown wearing said armor due to graphical limitations, but it is still equiped I'm-game.
But w/e

Bowser isn't shown breathing fire due to graphical limitations, but he still uses it in game.... >___>
The armor that is shown, if we applied every in-game thing there was to a character we might as well be doing "True to their games..."

in TDW- fighters are equipped with what they traditionally used back in their time...
Bowser traditionally (canonically) has his green shell
Link traditionally is wearing a green tunic
so on so forth

Finding more stuff means higher placement. What I find lolworthy are the things being used that would otherwise be ignored.
Fire Shell being one of them.
I help the losing side. I use what people suggest. If it begins to lose usability, I drop it.
This case, being the shell.

As long as the stuff is realistically plausible..... and is canon
the thing that is lolworthy is bowser being given random **** canon or not just to try and make him win...

oh and the fire shell isn't canon...
doesn't matter whether it's what party game it is, it must satisfy ALL of these conditions...
1. It is located in a game where no other "universes" of games are present
2. It must be a recurring attribute in a character, or attribute that a character is understood to be associated with by basic knowledge.

Flame shell only satisfies one of these....

I'm a pot n you're a kettle.
lol

You didn't even get it did you?
*facepalms*

@JOE
Where da bombs at?[/QUOTE]


EDIT: to be simple, I'm not against the idea of upgrades being applied to a character, as long as it's canon and realistic (most upgrades anyway won't do much due to this being IRL)

 

[REL38]

@Marthage

Most upgrades are only present in one game out of the series.

TP Link suit.
Demon Launcher?
Fire Shell


Same applies to weapons:

Poltergust 3000
Ganon's Zweihander
Gattling Gun


The medium that should be kept varies.
Some may consider all and any weapon availble to be usable.
Some may consider one "signiture" weapon be used.


In regards to kettle, I understood.
But what does this prove?
Everyone in this thread, at one point, had a hypocritical statement.
Does this matter?
If you really care for it.

@Sam

I remember when we had a merry time debating stuff.
Back when Bowser had fire and size to counter Ganon's sword

Now we have Bowser with armor, bombs, tomahawks and a mace to counter Ganon's sword.

. . . .


In regards to Olimar, more Pikmin.
10 weren't very useful in-game
30 was a decent amount to have.

Heck, iirc JOE gave Olimar 30 against Bowser which was a good amount.

 

[UncleSam]

@Sam

I remember when we had a merry time debating stuff.

lolWUT
there was a merry time in this thread? the closest thing I can remember in this thread that was "merry" was round 1.

Back when Bowser had fire and size to counter Ganon's sword

lolWUT
-no false palate.

-INITIATING AUTOMATED MESSAGE: please refer to me and adumbrodeus's super posts about how size does not matter against Ganondorf in this battle
END MESSAGE

Now we have Bowser with armor, bombs, tomahawks and a mace to counter Ganon's sword.

lolWUT

bowser doesn't use a mace, nor a tomahawk, bombs are dirt poor, fire shell is inert, and hammers aren't that amazing.

. . . .

lolWUT
...
nah nothing.

In regards to Olimar, more Pikmin.
10 weren't very useful in-game
30 was a decent amount to have.

Heck, iirc JOE gave Olimar 30 against Bowser which was a good amount.

hey that reminded me.
didnt bowser use fire in the bowser vs. olimar match?
we may have to look that over... for like 1 second.

 

[JOE!]

back then bowser also had Fire...and was still massive vs oli

Also, size does matter on where he can hit bowser.

for example, the back of the neck and back of the shell would be rather tough shots

 

[UncleSam]

back then bowser also had Fire...and was still massive vs oli

well, he has no false palate so...
take out fire for that MU.
nothing much changes.

 

[REL38]

lolWUT
there was a merry time in this thread? the closest thing I can remember in this thread that was "merry" was round 1.

By "merry", I meant interesting and funny via (bad/poor/good) logic and minor flaming.
Back then, coming to this thread was nice.
Now it's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

lolWUT
-no false palate.

-INITIATING AUTOMATED MESSAGE: please refer to me and adumbrodeus's super posts about how size does not matter against Ganondorf in this battle
END MESSAGE

Fire was still a last resort that had some weight early on.
Size meant "good" according to JOE and even Xeph.
Range didn't hurt either.

lolWUT

bowser doesn't use a mace, nor a tomahawk, bombs are dirt poor, fire shell is inert, and hammers aren't that amazing.

Bowser uses all of these.
Bombs have use.
Fire shell is blah.
Tomahawks still kill.

The degree of effectivenes is what's made these things almost useless.
Just being given these things is lolworthy

lolWUT
...
nah nothing.

meh

hey that reminded me.
didnt bowser use fire in the bowser vs. olimar match?
we may have to look that over... for like 1 second.

That's right, he did!

Let's revisit that MU!

*squish*

 

[Sieguest]

@Marthage

Most upgrades are only present in one game out of the series.

TP Link suit.
Demon Launcher?
Fire Shell

exactly, which is why we've never addressed them to characters, most people only associate the upgrades to the character in that specific game, but not the character in general, which is the definition of canon.

Same applies to weapons:

Poltergust 3000
Ganon's Zweihander
Gattling Gun

Ganon has always been shown with a heavy sword of some resemblance to Zweihander with the exception of the more cartoonish appearances he has made. that's not just a one game appearence.

Poltergust 3000 makes a one game appearance, as such, not many people associate it with luigi as common knowledge, but only in the case of Luigi's Mansion (factor number two in this case)

The medium that should be kept varies.
Some may consider all and any weapon availble to be usable.
Some may consider one "signiture" weapon be used.

If we considered all and any weapon usable then lets give everyone bats, ropes hammers and atomic farts and be done with hit...
/sarcasm

If we considered one signature weapon then lets take out every character without a weapon...
/sarcasm

in all seriousness though, that's not what canon is,
canon is basically what's common sense or widely accepted for a character, and that's basically what the two requirements I just listed capture.

 

[JOE!]

the reason why it was more fun at the start was it was new, and we had no idea how theyd play out in RL...

as of now...meh.


anywho, 2 questions keep us from round 5 ****it:

Who would get more kills? Bowser or Ganon?

Does Failon lose all his MUs?

 

[UncleSam]

As of now people don't like how they turn out in RL and try to change it.

 

[Sieguest]

the reason why it was more fun at the start was it was new, and we had no idea how theyd play out in RL...

as of now...meh.


anywho, 2 questions keep us from round 5 ****it:

Who would get more kills? Bowser or Ganon?

Does Failon lose all his MUs?

Failon is fail and is -4

As of now people don't like how they turn out in RL and try to change it.

trufax
gotta eat brb

 

[JOE!]

Crapton Failon is fail...

 

[Emperor Time]

So change the title.

 

[REL38]

@Marthage

None of these weapons look remotely similar.
By being a boss, you are usually limited to what you have.

Some of the only consistent features present for Ganon are his magical abilities and physical prowess.

Some of the only consistent features present for Bowser are his fire and physical abilities.

If anything, he gets his trident due to it reaccuring more than one game.

 

[Sieguest]

@Marthage

None of these weapons look remotely similar.
By being a boss, you are usually limited to what you have.

Some of the only consistent features present for Ganon are his magical abilities and physical prowess.

Some of the only consistent features present for Bowser are his fire and physical abilities.

If anything, he gets his trident due to it reaccuring more than one game.

Ganon has as many swords as he does looks :O
but then, this is why we had to specify earlier which ganon was going to be fighting yes?

@bowser attributes, pretty much
and that's canon. it's something that's commonly known and widely accepted as that character

 

[UncleSam]

everybody seemed to agree with the Zweihander, so I don't see a big problem.
UNLESS, you don't like what it does and want it gone...
is that it?
lol
but srsly. everyone seemed to agree on the Zweihander so...

 

[Sieguest]

everybody seemed to agree with the Zweihander, so I don't see a big problem.
UNLESS, you don't like what it does and want it gone...
is that it?
lol
but srsly. everyone seemed to agree on the Zweihander so...

That's because everyone agreed it would be TP ganon to fight bowser...

*goes to find quote*